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With no immediate pressure from the competition and a healthy mainstream product lineup, there is no reason for NVIDIA to rush new cards out to the market

This article was first published in German on K-Hardware.de.

In talks with industry insiders at CeBIT I was able to confirm that NVIDIA's upcoming mainstream DX10 G84 and G86 cards would have been ready in time for a CeBIT launch. NVIDIA, however, decided to postpone the launch to April 17th for various reasons.

I wouldn't put much doubt in the quality of the chips of the cards at this point, since reputated video card manufacturers confirmed to me that these are up and running. MSI was already able to show custom designs of G84 and G86 based retail cards, not reference cards. On top of that, various companies exhibited notebooks equipped with the mobile variants dubbed G84M and G86M, running all day long under Windows Vista without a crash.

After all, the PCB for GeForce 8600 on down is based on the stable GeForce 7600-series line, which was already a derivative of the GeForce 6600-series layout. The only component that would need any fine tuning at this point is the GPU -- and that's been stable for months.

One possible reason is the recent delay of AMDs R600 generation to the second quarter of the year. There is no pressure from the competition to rush out the cards to the market. Instead NVIDIA can lean back and happily sell current GeForce 7 mainstream cards. Meanwhile their GeForce 8 mainstream cards based on G84 and G86 are in production. Basically NVIDIA is preparing for another hard launch.

According to industry sources I've talked to, NVIDIA will be able to deliver enourmous amounts of those cards when they launch - they will basically flood the whole market.

If you talk to the AMD crowd, however, you get other reasons, which are also somewhat realistic. Apart from various problems with the hardware, NVIDIA would delay the launch as long as possible to have a working driver ready. The current state of G80 drivers is not at the level of quality one would expect.


Though AMD may be suffering from rather low yields on TSMCs 65nm process, it decided to employ the new process on the upcoming R600 chip family, even on the largest high-end chips.  This approach may put ATI ahead technically, but it's risky with regard to the fact that NVIDIA can put massive quantities of older components at lower prices on the market very quickly.


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waiting
By Nimbo on 3/23/2007 7:56:25 PM , Rating: 2
$200 in my pocket since last month only waiting for this... but probably high availability will keep prices close to mrsp




RE: waiting
By Alpha4 on 3/24/2007 12:28:06 AM , Rating: 2
You are a trooper for holding out, I will say that much. But do u not have an existing geforce 7 card u can improve upon with a twin for cheap cheap?


RE: waiting
By irev210 on 3/24/2007 8:41:51 PM , Rating: 2
I think this is a dumb move personally.

I want a new graphics card for my media center PC. I am NOT going to buy a 8800 variant.

All I really need is HDCP compliant card, and if it has an HDMI connector on it, that would be a big plus. Since I dont mind waiting, I will get my choice of nvidia or ATI, and will probably end up picking the ATI solution since it will likely be on 65nm process, thus having a better chance of using less power.

Regardless of the future, the fact is nvidia is losing sales now.

Oh well, should be interesting to see how this all plays out.


RE: waiting
By Hoser McMoose on 3/26/2007 2:35:02 AM , Rating: 2
You aren't the only one waiting! I just picked up a new motherboard, processor and memory, but held off on the video card waiting for these GeForce 8600 cards. For now I'm making due with integrated video! I don't do much gaming normally, but for now that is reduced to NO gaming as the integrated video is worse then my old Radeon 9200! Even 3 year old games are pretty much unplayable!


Laptop Video???
By cheetah2k on 3/25/2007 3:20:26 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder what affect this will have on the GO 8xxx series coming to laptops?? I've been hanging out for a laptop with DX10 abilities since the release of the 8800GTX desktop cards.

As i am aware only the GO 8400 and GO 8600 were set for laptop release, where does this leave us??




RE: Laptop Video???
By crystal clear on 3/25/2007 5:01:05 AM , Rating: 2
NVIDIA will be launching GeForce Go 8800 GS in May and GeForce Go 8800 GTX in July and will compete against ATi's mobile DX10 M76XT GPU. GeForce Go GS is pretty interesting as we don't see it on the desktop SKUs yet. Looking at the Device IDs for the desktop G80 SKUs, we saw 0x0191 "NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX" and 0x0193 "NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS" but 0x0190 and 0x0192 are missing. Usually 0x0190 is the most high end SKU so it could be 8800 Ultra and 0x192 could be 8800 GS.

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4851


RE: Laptop Video???
By cheetah2k on 3/25/2007 10:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
Thats great news for us Laptop users. I'll be saving my pennies for May, or July!

Cheers


Hmmm... if I were a betting man
By Pdubya on 3/26/2007 4:05:13 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I'm completely off-base, but I think one of the biggest reasons NVidia is holding off here is that very few people are buying Vista and thus very few people other than early adopters (gamers and fatcats) and new computer buyers are purchasing DirectX10 videocards.
From NVidia's point-of-view they would likely have a lot of unsold cards sitting on store shelves (particularly with a hard launch).

Until Vista gets a Service Pack with better driver support, etc. people will continue to stay away in droves. By the way, anyone seen any unofficial statistics on Vista sales at all? No? No grand parties with all that non-existant money that isn't pouring into Microsoft HQ- no siree!
Call me flippant, but it shouldn't have taken a crystal ball for MS to figure out that consumer willingness to fork out big bucks for a not quite ready OS would be lukewarm at best given that XP is mature, stable and (most importantly) already paid for! ;P

Oh, I fully intend on upgrading my XP pro rig at some point in the next year or two. Definitely no rush though.




By plonk420 on 3/26/2007 7:29:07 PM , Rating: 2
it's not like you can't use them with XP. the benchmark results with XP are quite spectacular, too, IIRC, which is why i'm eagerly awaiting them (with growing frustration, no less)


By Domicinator on 3/27/2007 5:21:26 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, Vista sales are much higher than XP sales were when it launched. People are not "staying away in droves". I think it's more likely that people are staying away from DirectX 10 cards because there's no DirectX 10 yet.

I'm an early adopter. I have an 8800GTS that I got on launch day, and I have been running Vista since a couple of weeks after it launched. The Nvidia 101.41 beta drivers are performing WORLDS better on Vista than the current official drivers, especially for games like Oblivion. That's where I noticed the biggest performance hike.

Don't forget, at every OS launch people complain and rightly so. There are always bugs and hardware/software issues. The Vista launch is no different from any other Windows launch. People seem to forget that in between releases. My experience with Vista so far has been terrific. It's an incredibly stable OS and has been getting along well with all my hardware so far. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


Cheap SLI...
By wingless on 3/24/2007 12:18:07 AM , Rating: 2
DAMMIT! I just wanna SLI a pair of cheap overclockable 8600GT's and they're throwing a wrench in my plans. This kinda sucks. I blame ATI/AMD for not having their stuff together.




RE: Cheap SLI...
By shiznit on 3/24/2007 4:01:33 PM , Rating: 2
they have a 128bit memory interface right? if so i'm not sure a single 8880 gts or gtx wouldn't be better...


By Saist on 3/23/2007 11:49:28 PM , Rating: 2
right off hand, isn't this a complete turn around on GeforceFX versus Radeon 9700?

Didn't ATi go with the "larger" process which gave them a dominating leadership while Nvidia went with the "smaller" process and delivered an abomination?

Looks like the ArtX magic has been lost a bit.




Not understanding...
By Trisped on 3/26/2007 8:21:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This approach may put ATI ahead technically, but it's risky with regard to the fact that NVIDIA can put massive quantities of older components at lower prices on the market very quickly.
I don't think I fully understand this. Both NVidia and ATI can ship excessive amounts of their old cards. Or are you implying that NVidia can ship more cards using old technology?




Pretty Dumb Move.
By Mitch101 on 3/27/2007 1:46:37 PM , Rating: 2
I dont buy top end and if they wait too long too close to the release of the ATI card then they stand to lose me buying the ATI over thiers.

Would be better if they released now where us middle of the roads would be buying these as my 850XT is getting past is point of use because my 22" monitor wants to run at 1680x1050 resolution. Something that my cards is doing ok but could use a little boost.




Hello Intel 2!
By exdeath on 3/27/2007 2:34:33 PM , Rating: 2
Let the leeching and milking begin.




@grammar
By shiznit on 3/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: @grammar
By WeaselITB on 3/23/2007 8:55:53 PM , Rating: 3
Really? Let us take a look at all the words that appear at the end of sentences in the article.

market
k-hardware.de
launch
reasons
point (even though it doesn't really count, since the period here is quite obviously meant to be a comma)
running
cards
crash
layout
months
year
market (again)
cards (again)
production
launch (again)
market (again)
realistic
ready
expect
chips
quickly

Please, tell me which of those may be considered a preposition. Thanks!

On a more serious note, this is a fantastic move by NVIDIA. If there is no immediate market need for the product, and there is a lot to be gained by delaying the product, what reason is there to rush the process? Especially since this will allow NVIDIA to continue with their "hard-launch" philosophy.


RE: @grammar
By shiznit on 3/24/2007 3:57:59 PM , Rating: 2
lol the arcticle was edited. when i first read it the very last word in the article was "for".


RE: @grammar
By ChronoReverse on 3/24/2007 4:56:40 PM , Rating: 2
Well, if they go and release SUPER OMG CHEAP cards in response to ATi finally getting their cards out, I shall be a very happy camper =)


RE: @grammar
By glennpratt on 3/25/2007 6:58:50 PM , Rating: 4
Agent Bork: Chief! Ya know that guy whose camper they were whackin' off in?
Agent Fleming: Bork, you're a federal agent! You represent the United States Government! Never end a sentence with a preposition.
Agent Bork: Oh, uh... Ya know that guy in whose camper they... I... I mean, that guy off in whose camper they were whacking?


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