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Saturn Aura Green Line
The Saturn Aura Green Line starts at $22,695 including destination charge

General Motors has officially announced pricing for its 2007 Saturn Aura Green Line hybrid sedan. The vehicle will retail for $22,695 including destination charge and will also be eligible for a $1,300 tax credit from the federal government for 2007 tax returns.

For comparison, the Honda Civic Hybrid, Nissan Altima Hybrid, Toyota Prius and Toyota Camry Hybrid are priced from $22,985, $25,015, $22,975 and $26,820 respectively, including destination charge.

The 2007 Aura Green Line is considered to be a "mild hybrid" since it cannot move forward under electric power alone. The Aura Green Line hybrid powertrain (164HP 2.4 liter 4-cylinder plus electric motor/generator) is capable of providing mild electric assistance under acceleration, stopping the engine when the vehicle comes to a stop and starting it back up again when the gas is pressed. The car also takes advantage of regenerative braking to help recharge the battery pack.

The Aura Green Line boasts EPA ratings of 28MPG/35MPG city/highway compared to 20/30 for an Aura with the 224HP 3.5 liter V6 and 20/28 for the Aura with the 252HP 3.6 liter V6.

A more viable comparison may be with the Pontiac G6 base sedan. This vehicle is the Saturn Aura's platform-mate and also uses the 2.4 liter 4-cylinder engine and transmission without the hybrid add-ons. EPA ratings for the G6 are 23/33 city/highway which means that the Aura Green Line’s hybrid system affords the driver an additional 5MPG in the city and 2MPG on the highway.



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RE: Give it a chance
By Xenoid on 3/19/2007 10:05:50 PM , Rating: 0
That's because generally they're trash.

It should be noted that there are tax refunds on these cars, and that the cars listed above are not all the same size. I'd rather drive the Camry than the Prius for example. It should also be noted that for a lot less you can buy a 90s Civic or VW TDI and get better mileage than these heavy hybrids.


RE: Give it a chance
By Xenoid on 3/19/07, Rating: 0
RE: Give it a chance
By Topweasel on 3/20/2007 8:47:16 AM , Rating: 2
Wow One bad quarter in like 4 years and its time to pick on DC. As a Company they made about 200 Million just the Chrysler group lost about 1.1 Billion. GM on the other hand makes 1 Million in one quarter after 2 years of multi-billion dollar losses. Ford and GM are still on very shaky ground and its nice to hear one of them avoided terrible losses neither are in a very good situation and honestly if I worked in manufacturing I would rather be working at DC right now.


RE: Give it a chance
By milomnderbnder21 on 3/19/2007 10:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
I do not believe your statement on gas mileage for 90's Civics of VW's.

They could very possibly beat this 'mild' hybrid, but I will not believe without seeing some numbers that these cars you mention get better mileage than a Prius or a Civic Hybrid.


RE: Give it a chance
By Johnniewalker on 3/20/2007 3:34:06 AM , Rating: 2
My 2000 civic has 170,000 miles and still gets 32+ mpg. I drive 30 miles to work every day. Best purchase I have ever made. Plenty of power (5 speed) to go 70+ mph up the mountains on the freeway. Always starts - never broken down. Just put on my 4th set of tires rated for 70k miles. I'll be doing the timing chain again in 30k miles. Original clutch, shocks. 2 brake jobs. 2nd set of headlights. This is the perfect car. When/If this motor goes kaput, I will probably put a new engine in it and keep it for the rest of my life. This car was 12k new!


RE: Give it a chance
By Hoser McMoose on 3/20/2007 1:54:29 PM , Rating: 2
The numbers are out there, just look 'em up on www.fueleconomy.gov

1990 Honda Civic CRX HF: 49/52mpg
2007 Honda Civic Hybrid: 49/51mpg

(both sets of numbers using the "old" EPA rating).

It's amazing how good your fuel economy can be when you use a 50hp engine!


RE: Give it a chance
By 8steve8 on 3/20/2007 2:01:42 PM , Rating: 2
I think the real story there is the weight.

remember kenetic e=(1/2)mv^2 ... so the reason for the declines in fuel economy.. or at least the fact they aren't getting better in the last 20 years is weight.


RE: Give it a chance
By Hoser McMoose on 3/20/2007 3:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
That's definitely part of it. For the two vehicles mentioned above, the 1990 Civic CRX HF had a curb weight of just shy of 2000lbs, while the 2007 Civic Hybrid has a curb weight of 2875lbs. However it's also no coincidence that both cars have similar fuel economy given that they both use 1.3L I4 engines.

Definitely bigger and heavier cars are pretty much always going to use more fuel then a smaller and lighter car, if all else is equal. And since 1980 cars ARE getting bigger. The 2007 Honda Civic is roughly the same size and weight as the 1990 Honda Accord and it's bigger then the 1980 Accord. Mind you, the OCCUPANTS of these cars are bigger too, which probably explains a lot. People are buying bigger cars now then they were 20-30 years ago because they need bigger cars (on average) to accommodate their extra bulk!


RE: Give it a chance
By fxnick on 3/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: Give it a chance
By Tsuwamono on 3/19/07, Rating: -1
RE: Give it a chance
By dever on 3/20/2007 2:14:08 PM , Rating: 4
My father retired from GM. I learned from his experience and have always bought Toyota (except for my 1966 Mustang and various motorcycles). My preference is mostly due to the well documented reliability of Toyota. It also has a little to do with growing up in a union household witnessing firsthand the socialist agenda and strong-arm tactics of the UAW. It's hard to make a quality product at a good price when all your workers belong to a organization bent on destroying the viability of the company.

My Toyotas typically average 200K miles before giving away the still-running vehicle to someone who needs it. They've all had tremendous gas mileage as well. The old late-80's Corrolas averaged about 35/40. They've all been easy to work on, and safety ratings are typically high. It's humorous to see people still think that bigger is always better in terms of safety. The safest cars in the world are tiny formula one racers. Old bulky vehicles often transmitted the force of the shock directly to the passengers as opposed to absorbing or deflecting the shock through smartly engineered crumple zones and such.

Also, note that a large percentage of the money spent on "Japanese" cars, ends up going to US workers, and often small "American" cars are made elsewhere.


RE: Give it a chance
By timmiser on 3/20/2007 4:44:35 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
A question: Why would you people buy a car from a country that bombed us and is now taking all our jobs?


Why do you buy gas (and lots of it with your old SUV) from a country that invaded our embassy (Iran) or regularly kills our soldiers and civilians? (Iraq)??

I would say you are not a very smart person either.


RE: Give it a chance
By theapparition on 3/20/2007 7:45:48 AM , Rating: 1
Actually, a very small percentage of gas in America comes from the Middle East. The largest supplier of gas in America comes from Domestic suppliers such as Exxon. The second largest comes from Russia.

Oil prices are set on a free market, and investors speculate on future supply/demand and this regulates price. OPEC does manipulate this price by setting quotas on production, but it is not as great an effect as you'd think.

quote:
I would say you are not a very smart person either.

Now you don't feel to smart now either, do you?


RE: Give it a chance
By Snipester on 3/20/2007 8:39:58 AM , Rating: 1
Where do you think exxon buys its unrefined oil from?


RE: Give it a chance
By TSS on 3/20/2007 9:29:45 AM , Rating: 2
from the exxon site:

We explore for oil and natural gas on six of the seven continents. ExxonMobil’s Exploration Company is organized to identify, pursue, capture, and evaluate all high-quality exploration opportunities.

in short, they dont give a crap who bombs who as long as they can make more money.

your comment made sense in the way that you wouldn't buy anything american related either, since you certainly wouldn't buy from a country that started a war. nor would you dare consume anything except the stuff you dare to grow yourself (that stuff you can have though, i dont trust your capabilities so very much).


RE: Give it a chance
By dice1111 on 3/20/2007 9:45:47 AM , Rating: 3
Canda is by far the largest supplier of oil (crude and refined) to the US. This also includes Natuaral Gas (almost 97% way back in 1998). Next comes Saudi Arabia. I have no idea where you get your information on Russia. They didn't even make the list.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_...


RE: Give it a chance
By dice1111 on 3/20/2007 9:49:20 AM , Rating: 2
*Canada

Damn, no edit.


RE: Give it a chance
By True Strike on 3/20/2007 12:50:11 PM , Rating: 3
How dare you bring a silly thing like facts into a pissing contest?

I love it when people actually like sources. Without it, I assume who ever is posting got their info from their big brother, and he never lies... Well except maybe when they found that baggie in his room, he had to said it was someone else's.
Personally, I wouldn't trust him if I was you.

Great post, keep citing sources. Help educate us all.


RE: Give it a chance
By fxnick on 3/20/2007 9:22:45 PM , Rating: 2
Do I have a choice where my gas comes from? No
Do I have a choice on what cars I buy? Yes

BTW, during wars people die, thats the way it is.


RE: Give it a chance
By iNGEN on 3/21/2007 2:10:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do I have a choice where my gas comes from? No


That is factually inaccurate. You can always choose to purchase gas only from those vendors who purchase crude from sources acceptable to you.


RE: Give it a chance
By Amiga500 on 3/20/2007 2:52:54 PM , Rating: 1
"Having worked on Hondas, Toyotas, Fords and Chevys I can honestly say that the jap cars really are complete garbage"

Would that be why so many American made cars are success stories outside the US... and why Toyota is the worlds biggest car manufacturer?

"everything on them is undersized and puny compared to American cars."

Pretty much wverything on the other cars is correctly sized. Typical US cars that I have experienced are too heavy to match up for efficiency, not a slight against the people that build them, but the designers who design them. But, I suppose a different culture equals different considerations.

The references to Japan are beneath contempt and barely worthy of a response.


RE: Give it a chance
By fxnick on 3/20/2007 9:49:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Would that be why so many American made cars are success stories outside the US... and why Toyota is the worlds biggest car manufacturer?


So because Dell sells more computers than anybody else and is bigger, that makes them better than Alienware(i know there the same company now)

quote:
Pretty much wverything on the other cars is correctly sized. Typical US cars that I have experienced are too heavy to match up for efficiency, not a slight against the people that build them, but the designers who design them. But, I suppose a different culture equals different considerations.


I'd say they are for durability. And your saying that japs are smaller, so there cars are to. LOL Very true.
Thats why they should stay in Japan!!

quote:
The references to Japan are beneath contempt and barely worthy of a response.


My reference to japan as in factual history? Do you not accept what happened?


RE: Give it a chance
By Amiga500 on 3/21/2007 12:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So because Dell sells more computers than anybody else and is bigger, that makes them better than Alienware(i know there the same company now)


In terms of bang-for-buck, Dell is infinitely better than Alienware... same as a Corvette is a better value motor than a Ferrari 360 or 430 (although in comparisons neglecting price the Ferrari blows it away).

quote:
I'd say they are for durability. And your saying that japs are smaller, so there cars are to. LOL Very true.
Thats why they should stay in Japan!!


No... I'm saying the components in their cars are not 1.5x the weight they need to be... unlike alot of American machines.

You lot like big heavy brutes of machines... that don't go particularly fast around corners or drive/handle well on poor roads and such like - whereas most other places prefer a lighter, more agile machine. Thats what I mean by different cultures.

quote:
My reference to japan as in factual history? Do you not accept what happened?


So... remind me... who is in Iraq with the US right now? Also... who did you lot fight in the war of independance? [and as an aside, who helped you in that war? and got slated for their opinion on the Iraq war?]

If everyone had your attitude, such a thing would be impossible would it not?


“And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say?” -- Bill Gates on the Mac ads











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