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Sony's 20GB PlayStation 3
Best Buy puts 20GB PS3 on the chopping block

A change is in sight when it comes to Sony's PlayStation 3 at Best Buy stores. Sony's PS3 currently comes in two flavors: the $599 USD 60GB version and the $499 USD 20GB version. Both consoles feature a Blu-ray optical drive, but the 60GB version adds 802.11b/g wireless networking and a MemoryStick/Secure Digital/CompactFlash reader for digital camera media.

According to internal Best Buy documents obtained by Joystiq, it looks as though the retailer is no longer going to stock Sony's 20GB PlayStation 3 console. The document lists the 20GB PS3's status as "discontinued."

The writing has been on the wall for the 20GB PS3 for quite some time now. It was revealed back in November that Sony is losing roughly $307 USD for every 20GB PS3 that it sells versus a smaller $241 USD hit for the more expensive 60GB version.

SCEA communications director Dave Karraker also told Joystiq last week that retailers have been overwhelming placing orders for the more expensive 60GB PS3. "Retailers have been requesting the 60GB model, the mix has been about 80 percent 60GB, 20 percent 20GB retailer orders. So, the reason you might not be seeing the 20 GB is simply that retailers have been ordering more of the 60 GB unit," said Karraker.

Sony still plans to make its 20GB PS3 available to retailers who want to sell it, but the number of retailers willing to stock the device may soon be dwindling. If that happens, the price disparity between the 60GB PS3 and the Xbox 360/Nintendo Wii will only grow further.

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im just curious
By andrewrocks on 3/19/2007 4:00:05 AM , Rating: 1
how much does the 360 wireless adapter cost?

hddvd drive?

how much does a 60GB ps3 cost?

RE: im just curious
By jdmackes on 3/19/2007 7:35:22 AM , Rating: 4
Here's the real question:
How much does a 360 cost if you just want to play games?
How much does a ps3 cost if you just want to play games?
Many people, including me, do not care about bluray or hd-dvd, and I have a 1080p display. Yes, if you want bluray then the ps3 is a cheap bluray player, but a ton of people don't care about bluray. It makes me wonder why Jack trenton, when asked why they didn't include high def cables or an hdmi cable with the ps3 said sony didn't feel it was necessary to include cables that only about 20% of the consumers would use, yet they force bluray upon everyone? And the argument that it's necessary for games to be on bluray because of space restraints makes no sense, one of the most beloved games of all time, Final Fantasy VII, was on 3 discs and no 360 game has been on more then one disc. The reason I went with the 360 was the choices it gave me, more games, better price for what I wanted, and better online functionality. And for the people talking about the 20 gig ps3 not having enough hard drive space, you can put whatever hard drive you want to into a ps3 and format it to work with the system. I wish MS would come up with something like that.

RE: im just curious
By Goty on 3/19/2007 2:42:45 PM , Rating: 2
This is exactly the argument everyone needs to consider (at least the first part). If you want a console and nothing else, then the 360 is the machine for you. If you want a console that will fit into a home theater setup and actually function very well as both a console and a Blu-Ray player, then the PS3 is the better choice.

RE: im just curious
By Hawkido on 3/23/2007 6:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
Here's one more argument...

You want a game system to play Final Fantasy XIII.
Every game system that has a Final Fantasy (Pick-a-Number game, not the crappy off shoot games) was successful. Period, end of argument. If you like Sports and FPS only then the XBox 360 is a great machine, full of all the goodness you could want. FFXIII won't be released till 2008 i hear but I will wait, by then the console should be cheaper.

But of the Loads of people that you say don't care about HD right now, well they just sealed the deal on who wins the HD Video Format war. Blu-Ray will win.

Here's why, all in all the PS3 is cheaper/easier to be a HD Video player. The XBox requires an attachment (at what $300-$400). Game Consoles are notoriously unforgiving of add-on components. If you want to add components to your game system then a PC is what you want.

So when people do decide to care about HD Video the PS3 owners will already be set and may even have a title or two under their belt. The Xbox owners will still have to buy the Add-On or buy a seperate box. Remember, no one cared about DVD for years. But once they decided to care, Everyone was playing DVD's on their game platforms.
THE PS3 IS VERY LATE to the table. But as was stated, no one cares about the HD Video Format yet. So they did make it to the table in time. Plus they actually were first to the table as a Game system with HD Video, and it is integrated, so no need to buy an add-on (which almost no one ever will)
If you turn around and say "'Course they will!" then you are contradicting the statements that no one wants to play HD Movies on their game platforms. Sony is stupid for over reaching their goals, delaying launch, and over pricing their system. However as much as Blu-Ray is to blame for all of the above, it was the smartest thing they could have done. It is the one true redeming value to the game system.

As to Storage capacity not being fully used on the BRD. Find me a game developer who wants to go backwards in storage? Find me anyone who says "Oh, that's too much storage/RAM/Monitor size/Bandwidth!" There isn't anyone who will honestly say that. Unless they are blind to the future. Now, most of us may say the above followed immediatly by "for the insane money it will cost me!" But all of us will agree more is better, and we will dream about it even if we cannot afford it.

RE: im just curious
By somegeek on 3/19/2007 5:18:59 PM , Rating: 1
the argument that it's necessary for games to be on bluray because of space restraints makes no sense

You're wrong, Blu-ray is necessary for games.

DVDs are about 6 times the size of CDs.
Blu-ray discs are about 5 times the size of DVDs.

PS3 games use the increased space provided by Blu-ray discs just as PS2 games use the increased space provided by DVDs. Saying the PS3 should use DVDs is the same as saying the PS2 should have used CDs.

Xbox 360/Wii DVDs are last generation, SD technology. The PS3 is the only true HD game system.

RE: im just curious
By ViperROhb34 on 3/19/2007 7:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, but if it came to me switching to another DVD ( takes a whole 5 seconds ) and it loading a game wayyyy faster then Bluray does its gaming - even while it caches some to the HD .. I'll stick with DVD. A relative has a PS3 AND Xbox 360.. one thing he says is the BLurays load times stink because of the "Size" of the disk and it having to read over it..

For the next few yrs the only games that would require more space are RPG's.. who cares.. I'll take more then one DVD !
Better then what Sony did with Resistance.. putting all Zones on one Disc.. and putting Filler ( Empty data ) on the inner part of the disc so the game could be on the outside of the disc and load faster ! That wasn't so bad.. it was the fact they played it off like resistance couldnt have fit on DVD. If they had shippied it with one Region it could've. Look at GEARS OF WAR ! It's graphics take up alot of space and the disc STILL HAS TWO to THREE Gigs free on the DVD !!!

RE: im just curious
By somegeek on 3/19/07, Rating: 0
RE: im just curious
By ViperROhb34 on 3/19/2007 10:32:29 PM , Rating: 2
I seriously doubt this !

Oblivion Elder Scrolls like 5Ggigs.. NO-WHERE near the entire 9.6 GB DVD on a 360..that game is huge.. As Said before Gears of War somewhere around 7Gigs.. the next version is said to take up more, but still one DVD...Gears use of space is obviously graphics. So this brings us to Game Content, which actually takes up alot less space. The update that adds another 75+ WHOPPING Hours of play to OBLIVION( that you download on Xbox Live ) uses the textures already on the DVD, but adds those 75+ hours in dugeons, towns and content like talking, quest.. and that download is only a FEW HUNDRED Megabytes... yes thats right.. a whopping 10-20 percent of One Gigabyte (1,020 MB=1Gig).

The resistance disc uses a 25 gig disc a I beleive..with all regions, and being nice and subtracting junk data.. it uses about 12-15gigs ( but this is all regions ).. meaning you have around 10 Gigs free on that one Bluray disc. Lets now take into consideration 50 gig and 75 gig BLuray disc.. So Why would you need multiple Bluray disc ? Graphically ( not processor-wise, but memory speed subsystem ) the PS3 could barely handle graphically textures much bigger then what they are using now on Xbox 360.. You'll find most games as being close and thats not just because programming PS3 is harder.

Now lets get to the last reason.. If PS3 continues to sell 3rd place as it has.. It'll be like Nintendo Last generation Game Cube was. Guess what ? No developers are going to spend that much money making a game that has so much content it'll use that much space because it could only be an PS3 Exclusive and a company wont take that risk on a 3rd place console. Game development hasnt been slow because PS3 was out a year later. People seem to have forgotten developers had their PS3 kits more then a year before release just like 360..

RE: im just curious
By ViperROhb34 on 3/19/2007 10:38:55 PM , Rating: 2
One more thing.. by the time MS AND Nintendo come out with their NEXT Gen consoles in just 5yrs.. Sony will be whistling an entirely different tune ! They market it as something to last 10yrs only so they can hook some people in and not blow all investors away now !

Trus tme in 5yrs Sony will be forced to say they have a PS3 replacement. It'll probably never be 1st place like PS2.. and it'll never stand another 5yrs against MS and Nintendo's Next gen consoles. If Bluray survives you could see that format on other competing consoles as Sony doesnt solely own it.. and anyone who pays a Lisc fee can make/use a Bluray player.. but thats also a long shot..

I think its more likely someone will have a better, cheaper format to replace BLuray,HD-DVD in 5-7 yrs.. when people are really itching for storage.. right now not enough people are ready for that.

RE: im just curious
By Goty on 3/19/2007 2:51:53 PM , Rating: 2
Using prices from EB:

Pro/Premium XBOX 360 (console only): $399.99
XBOX 360 HD-DVD Drive: $199.99
XBOX 360 Media Remote (maybe required): $19.99
Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter: $99.99
Total Price: $719.96

60GB PS3: $599.99

So, there's a $100 price differential there in favor of the PS3. If you decide to drop the wireless altogether (if you don't want/need it), the price difference remains the same.

Basically, the whole price argument never really existed at all.

*prepares to get flamed*

RE: im just curious
By Goty on 3/19/2007 2:54:03 PM , Rating: 2
Just noticed a mistake, when I say the price difference remains the same when dropping the wireless, I'm assuming you drop to the 20GB PS3, too, which brings the HDD capacity down to the same level as the 360, but the price difference is still $100.

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