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Ford's $2 million USD plug-in hybrid fuel cell vehicle

From top to bottom: fuel cell, hydrogen tank and li-ion battery pack
Edmunds gets a test drive in Ford's multi-million dollar concept

About a month ago, DailyTech first brought you a glimpse at Ford's Edge HySeries crossover utility vehicle (CUV). In its current form, the concept features a hydrogen fuel cell, a 336-volt lithium-ion battery pack and electric motors for propulsion. Ford can also adapt the chassis to accommodate gasoline-electric or diesel-electric hybrid powertrains.

The editors at Edmunds were recently given a chance to drive the $2 million USD Ford Edge HySeries concept vehicle. The 5,400 pound CUV is powered solely by electricity, so power delivery is turbine smooth and quiet. Edmunds likened its forward progress to that of a "horizontal elevator." And by using a hydrogen fuel cell, the Edge HySeries has no harmful emissions and only releases water vapor into the environment.

The Edge HySeries’ powertrain is mounted low in the chassis for better weight distribution. One electric motor is located at each axle while the fuel cell and batteries are located under the driver and passenger seat respectively. The 350-bar hydrogen fuel tank is mounted along the vehicle's centerline under the center console.

Since Edmunds was given the keys to a prototype vehicle, performance wasn't quite up to production levels. The vehicle was admittedly running at 50% of its potential, so acceleration was a bit on the slow side compared to its gasoline-engined counterpart – the additional 870 pounds of heft doesn’t help either. On the other hand, the vehicle was nearly silent under acceleration with just the hum of the fuel cell compressor penetrating the cabin.

With a fully topped off battery and a full hydrogen tank, the HySeries should offer a driving range of 225 miles and a combined city/highway rating of 41MPG. This is quite favorable to the newly revised 2008 EPA ratings for some of the most popular hybrid automobiles on the North American market. The Prius, Camry Hybrid and Civic Hybrid are rated at 46MPG, 34MPG and 42MPG combined respectively under the new EPA guidelines.

With North American vehicles coming up on the short end of the stick with regards to fuel efficiency, it's good to see car manufactures looking towards technology to improve fuel efficiency given America’s apprehension to diesel power in consumer automobiles. Multi-million dollar investments in test vehicles like Ford's Edge HySeries and GM's Volt and Sequel mean that we as consumers will reap the benefits in the near future.



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RE: If they care about economy...
By bohhad on 2/26/2007 3:14:51 PM , Rating: 2
i have to agree with masher here. my suv is two wheel drive, 6 cylinder engine, with a manual tranny. it's not a waste just because it doesnt go offroad, the extra space inside is required for me. a four door car would not work for me, no matter how big. i just bought and brought home a 32 inch tube tv the other day in a snowstorm, it would not have fit in the trunk of my buddies' 4door.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Merry on 2/26/2007 3:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
i have to agree with masher here. my suv is two wheel drive, 6 cylinder engine, with a manual tranny. it's not a waste just because it doesnt go offroad, the extra space inside is required for me. a four door car would not work for me, no matter how big. i just bought and brought home a 32 inch tube tv the other day in a snowstorm, it would not have fit in the trunk of my buddies' 4door

Good, your car has a useful purpose. My point is that most of the other SUVs don't. Anyway this is only a personal opinion of mine, i'm not going to start banging on about all SUVs killing tiny fluffy wee kittens, I just personally cant see the point in big high cars that cant do offroading and such when there are so many better alternatives, in my opinion, though.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Spivonious on 2/26/2007 4:33:23 PM , Rating: 2
Totally agree with you Merry.

To the poster Merry quoted: I easily fit a 37-inch tube TV in the back of my 3-door hatchback. I wouldn't be so idiotic as to go out and buy a TV in a snowstorm. Having worked in retail before, I would despise the people who braved the 2-feet of snow on the road just to buy frivolous things. It's because of people like you that retail workers are forced to brave the dangerous roads instead of just closing the store.


RE: If they care about economy...
By masher2 (blog) on 2/26/2007 4:57:22 PM , Rating: 1
> "I easily fit a 37-inch tube TV in the back of my 3-door hatchback..."

Try fitting that TV, a couple pieces of 10' moulding, three children and their soccer and baseball equipment in your three-door hatchback.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Kuroyama on 2/26/2007 5:41:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it would be oh so hard to make an extra trip to get the TV and/or moulding. Why don't you just buy a semi and then you can carry around everything you could ever need in the back, so that you can save on a trip if you ever decide to buy a new living and bed room for your house, while carrying your kids, wife, and 4 best friends as well.

Anyways, it's hard to imagine anyone with three children coping with a three-door hatchback unless they're too poor to afford a mid-sized car, in which case this whole debate would be a moot point to them.


By masher2 (blog) on 2/26/2007 5:59:25 PM , Rating: 2
> "Yeah, it would be oh so hard to make an extra trip to get the TV and/or moulding..."

Extra trips use extra gas, now don't they? And when those "extra trips" mean living your children waiting on the side of the road for you to come back for them, its certainly not a practical.

> "it's hard to imagine anyone with three children coping with a three-door hatchback unless they're too poor to afford a mid-sized car..."

Ah, but that midsized car can't carry that TV or moulding even without the kids in the back. The trunk isn't large enough. And you've obviously never tried to take three kids and their sports equipment in a mid-sized car. It doesn't fit, period...with or without a TV in the back.

And you're still ignoring the fact that extra space is only one of the many reasons people choose SUVs. I listed four more in the thread above. There's probably a few I didn't think of as well.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Merry on 2/26/2007 8:15:57 PM , Rating: 2
Try fitting that TV, a couple pieces of 10' moulding, three children and their soccer and baseball equipment in your three-door hatchback.

Tow bar and trailer... My Mini has one. You'd be surprised what it can pull! (referring back to one of your points earlier about SUVs and towing)

Are you trying to tell be that that load is normal too, incidentally? Seems a little bit excessive for an average trip. I know for a fact you can get three kids, football equipment and a large person complete with guitar in a Mini too, let alone the more spacious 3 door super minis of late.

(my apologies for the standard of English, its been a long day here at the University of Cardiff and I may have been drinking)


RE: If they care about economy...
By masher2 (blog) on 2/26/2007 8:58:16 PM , Rating: 1
> "Tow bar and trailer... My Mini has one. You'd be surprised what it can pull! (referring back to one of your points earlier about SUVs and towing)"

Mini Cooper? Towing Capacity: 1433 lbs. GM Denali? 10,000 lbs. Nissan Armada? 9,000 lbs. Dodge Ram 3500? 16,000 lbs.

If you're seriously trying to position a Mini Cooper as a solution for towing, you've lost all credibility.

> "Are you trying to tell be that that load is normal too, incidentally?"

You miss the point. If you have to haul that load only occasionally, you still need the vehicle. For most people, buying a dedicated smaller car just for commuting isn't an option. Though if you're commuting an ultra-long distance, then its cheaper to buy that extra car regardless, due to the gas savings...and in fact, most people who commute 100-200 miles/day DO use a dedicated car just for that, even if they drive an SUV nights and weekends.


RE: If they care about economy...
By rtrski on 2/26/2007 10:39:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you have to haul that load only occasionally, you still need the vehicle.


Actually, degenerating into the whole "I need to carry big loads" is pretty specious. Your prior arguments were well reasoned and backed by statistics - with this one you dropped off the deep end.

Home Depot rents trucks (probably horrible fuel hogs, but so what) for $20/hour to haul loads home. I could rent one about 25-30 times a year and only then equal the extra gas costs to drive a less efficient vehicle all the time.

Tell me you really "need" to do it that frequently?? And no fair saying its your job or some such marlarky...especially since you already said you only drive like 5 miles a decade. ....

quote:
Mini Cooper? Towing Capacity: 1433 lbs. GM Denali? 10,000 lbs. Nissan Armada? 9,000 lbs. Dodge Ram 3500? 16,000 lbs.

If you're seriously trying to position a Mini Cooper as a solution for towing, you've lost all credibility.


Oh please....now you're just picking fights for the sake of it. His point was he *could* tow external loads if necessary because of something that wouldn't fit internally, even with a small economical car (of course up to a limit much less than that of a big truck or whatnot). Not that it was *better* at towing in either capacity or on a regular basis (frankly, regardless of the rated towing capacity of a Mini, I'd hate to do that to the transmission with any frequency, myself). For someone who posts as articulately as you can, pretending to misunderstand that is just being churlish.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Marlowe on 2/27/2007 12:35:23 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And you've obviously never tried to take three kids and their sports equipment in a mid-sized car. It doesn't fit, period...with or without a TV in the back.
masher, what are you on about? You think having children is a new thing? Do you think we don't have children here in Europe? Face it, SUVs are a relatively new trend only existing for the last ten years or so. People did acctually have children before that you know. The children needed to be carried to their various sports events then also. Maby more then than now, if anything.

And about that towing craze of yours, you should really opt for a turbodiesel engine, not a gasoline one. They have a much higher tourqe rating. Like the VW 2.0 TDI in this one for example:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsID/206030... That would also consume under 6 liters per 100 km, wich google suggests is around 40 mpg.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Merry on 2/27/2007 11:00:42 AM , Rating: 2
Mini Cooper

1984 Mini Mayfair, so no. We used it to take assorted crap to the tip and such. Also to do the odd car boot sale.

If you're seriously trying to position a Mini Cooper as a solution for towing, you've lost all credibility.

No, but you can tow an average sized trailer with average things in. I'm not suggesting you go and tow a boat or a bloody caravan! The load in question was a 32"tv. That it could pull, easily. Also larger cars such as the Ford Mondeo could easily tow a small boat and definitely a caravan. How many people have these things too. They're really not all that common here (well boats aren't) You cant really justify a nations obsession with SUVs because I minority occasionally tow a boat. Anyways if you really must tow such a thing a lot a two wheel drive SUV isn't going to cut it, thus reinforcing the point I made earlier.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Hemipower on 2/27/2007 5:03:45 PM , Rating: 2
How much did you pay for your trailer, if you even own one. Where do you store it when not in use. and what do you do if it starts raining. Maybe you don't worry about rain but in miami it rains all the time and at times when you least expect it.

For the guy that rents the $20/hr home depot truck, you apperently don't pay per mile. I have rent u-hauls before and have to pay the daily rate along with $1.25 per mile, in my truck that does 15 miles per gallon that equates to $18.75 per gallon of gas. Along with paying for the miles I also have to return the truck with the same gas/diesel i got it with. So how much are you really saving, say you have to do this 6-8 per year and an average of 60 miles to and fro. Do this with my 15 mile per gallon truck and a 25 mile per gallon honda v-6, with an average of 12,000 miles per year and $2.50 per gallon of gas. I actually only have about 15,000 miles on my 2 1/2 year truck.

That is $1200 for the honda on gas and $2000 for the truck. That is an $800 dollar difference and 320 gallons a year difference. Now add the rented truck cost to the honda [60miles*1.25=$75=$20=95+10(gas)=105]*8=$840. It turns out about the same money spent on gas plus less time spent and more convenient to own a heavy gas sucker truck. Plus it looks nicer than the honda in my opinion and well worth the $800 difference.


RE: If they care about economy...
By Hemipower on 2/27/2007 5:12:47 PM , Rating: 2
It is because of the greedy store reps and store owners you have to go out and work in these conditions. If he feels like buying a tv in 2 feet of snow and making you cary it to his suv than it is his right, you can just quit. Besides is it worth the money they pay you to do this and fatten the pockets of these money grubers.


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