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Six weeks from now, the world will get the first retail Radeon X2900 XTX

Late yesterday DailyTech was briefed on the final details for the upcoming R600 retail specifications, just in time for everyone to go on vacation for Chinese New Year.  AMD has briefed its board partners on the specifications that will appear on the marketing material for the card launches.

AMD's guidance claims R600 will feature 700 million transistors.  By comparison, the Radeon X1900 series R580 GPU incorporated 384 million transistors into its design; the half-generation before that, R520, only featured 320 million.  

As disclosed by DailyTech earlier this year, the GPU features a full 512-bit memory interface with support for GDDR3 and GDDR4.  R580 was also similar in this regard as it supported GDDR3 and GDDR4. 

The R600 boasts 320 steam processors.  ATI does not clearly define what a steam processor is, though insiders claim 64, 4-way unified shaders would be 256 stream processors (64 shaders, 4 interfaces each). 

According to company guidance, on March 30, 2007, AMD will initially debut the R600 as the ATI Radeon X2900 XTX in two separate configurations: one for OEMs and another for retail.  The OEM version is the full length 12" card that will appear in high-end systems.

ATI guidance claims the X2900 XTX retail card comes as a two-slot, 9.5" design with a vapor chamber cooler.  Vapor chambers are already found on high-end CPU coolers, so it would be no surprise to see such cooling on a high-end GPU either.  The OEM version of the card is a 12" layout and features a quiet fan cooler. 

1GB of GDDR4 memory is the reference configuration for Radeon X2900 XTX.  Memory on the reference X2900 XTX cards was supplied by Samsung.

Approximately one month later, the company will launch the GDDR3 version of the card.  This card, dubbed the Radeon X2900 XT, features 512MB of GDDR3 and lower clock frequencies than the X2900 XTX.  The X2900 XT is also one of the first Radeons to feature heatpipes on the reference design. 

AMD anticipates the target driver for X2900 XT to be Catalyst 8.36.  WHQL release of the X2900 XTX drive will appear around the Ides of March.

Radeon X2900 will feature native CrossFire support via an internal bridge interface -- there is no longer a need for the external cable found on the Radeon X1000 series CrossFire.  There is no Master card, as was the case with other high-end CrossFire setups. Any Radeon X2900 can act as the Master card.

A much anticipated feature, native HDMI, will appear on all three versions of Radeon X2900.

One 6-pin and one 8-pin (2x4) VGA power connectors are featured on Radeon X2900, but both connectors are also backwards compatible with 6-pin power supply cables.

AMD claims the R600 target schedule will be a hard launch -- availability is expected to be immediate.  Board partners will be able to demonstrate R600 at CeBIT 2007 (March 15 - 21), but the only available cards will be reference designs. 

Why was there such discrepancy with the board layouts and designs up until now?  An ATI insider, who wished to remain nameless, states  "The original Quad-Stealth design is what we build the R600 on: GDDR4, full-length and dual-slot cooling.  As the silicon further revised, [ATI] took up several alternative designs which eventually included GDDR3 and heatpipes into the specification.  The release cards demonstrate the versatility of R600 in each of these unique setups."

Final clock frequencies will likely remain estimates until later this month.


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X2900? Not X2800?
By Warren21 on 2/16/2007 11:54:11 PM , Rating: 4
I sware this card is supposed to be the X2800 series... It's been all over the net and every website so far except DT has referred to the R600 as such.

If they called the first gen X2900, they wouldn't leave themselves much room for refresh part naming schemes.. a la X2900/X2950.




RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/16/2007 11:55:38 PM , Rating: 3
Yep, X2900.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Chillin1248 on 2/17/2007 12:48:46 AM , Rating: 5
Was there any reason given for the deviance? Cause from looking at the previous generation, it was as follows:

X1800 = First release
X1900 = Second release
X1950 = Modification of second release SKUs


So they are not really leaving themselves much room now are they?

And perhaps this would also explain why some leaked driver sets showed the following:

X2200
X2400


Instead of the normal:

X1100 = Intergreated GPU
X1300 = Low end segment


Seems they just added a 100 to every GPU segment this generation.

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Chillin


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 2/17/2007 12:58:49 AM , Rating: 3
It seems to me ATI pretty much does something different every generation.

Radeon 9700 was the top generation once, and then the 9800 was the revamp revision.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By maevinj on 2/17/2007 1:33:19 AM , Rating: 2
I like Amd (ati) but wow they've got to get their naming down. it's confusing as hell. Not that nvidia is any better.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Chillin1248 on 2/17/2007 6:38:58 AM , Rating: 4
Have fun trying to figure them out:




ATI/AMD


Rage and R1xx
Rage XL
7000
7500


8xxx series (R2xx)
8500LE
8500
8500 Pro
9000
9000 Pro 64-Bit
9000 Pro
9100
9200
9200 SE
9250
9250 64-Bit

9xxx series (R3xx)
9500
9600 Pro
9550
9550 SE
9600
9600 SE
9600 Pro
9600 XT
9650
9700
9700 Pro
9800
9800 SE
9800 Pro 128-Bit 128MB
9800 Pro 128MB
9800 Pro 256MB
9800 Pro 256MB DDR2
9800XT

Xxxx Series (R4xx)
X300
X300 LE
X300 SE
X300 SE Hyper Memory
X550
X550 Hyper Memory
X550 XT
X600
X600 SE
X600 Pro
X600 XT
X700
X700 SE
X700 LE
X700 Pro
X700 XT
X740 XL
X800 128MB
X800 256MB
X800SE
X800GT
X800 GTO
X800 GTO/2
X800 Pro
X800 Pro VIVO
X800 XL
X800 XL 512MB
X800 XT AIW
X800XT
X800 XT VIVO
X800 XT PE
X850 SE
X850 Pro
X850 XT
X850 XT "Crossfire Edition"
X850 XT PE

X1xxx Series (R5xx/RV5xx)
X1300
X1300 Pro
X1300 CE
X1300 XT
X1550
X1600 Pro
X1600 XT
X1650 Pro
X1650 XT
X1800 GTO
X1800 XL
X1800 XT
X1800 XT 512MB
X1800 Crossfire Edition
X1900 GT
X1900 Pro
X1900 AIW
X1900 XT 256MB
X1900 XT 512MB
X1900 XTX
X1950 GT
X1950 Pro
X1950 XT
X1950 XTX
X1900 Crossfire Edition
X1950 Crossfire Edition


Radeon X2xxx Series (R6xx)
Radeon X2200
Radeon X2400
Radeon X2900 XL
Radeon X2900 XT (512MB GDDR3)
Radeon X2900 XTX (OEM) (1024MB GDDR4)
Radeon X2900 XTX (Retail) (1024MB GDDR4)



All-In-Wonder:
ALL-IN-WONDER VE
ALL-IN-WONDER 7500
ALL-IN-WONDER 9000 PRO
ALL-IN-WONDER 9200
ALL-IN-WONDER 9600
ALL-IN-WONDER 9600 PRO
ALL-IN-WONDER 9600 XT
ALL-IN-WONDER 9700 PRO
ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 SE
ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 PRO
ALL-IN-WONDER 2006 AGP
ALL-IN-WONDER 2006 PCI EXPRESS
ALL-IN-WONDER X600 PRO
ALL-IN-WONDER X800 GT
ALL-IN-WONDER X800 XL AGP
ALL-IN-WONDER X800 XL PCIE
ALL-IN-WONDER X800 XT
ALL-IN-WONDER X1800 XL
ALL-IN-WONDER X1900


MAC Edition:

9000 Pro MAC EDITION 128MB AGP
9200 MAC EDITION
9600 Pro PC & MAC EDITION
9800 Pro MAC EDITION
9800 Pro MAC SPECIAL EDITION
9800 Pro MAC EDITION 256MB
X800 XT MAC EDITION
X1900 MAC Edition


124 Cards
===================





NVIDIA


Pre-T&L
TNT2
TNT2 Pro
TNT2 Ultra
TNT2 Model 64 (M64)
TNT2 Model 64 (M64) Pro
Vanta
Vanta LT

Post-T&L
GeForce 256
GeForce DDR

Geforce 2 (NV1x)
GF2 MX400
GeForce2 GTS
GeForce2 Pro
GeForce2 Ti
GeForce2 Ultra

Geforce 3 (NV2x)
GF3 TI-200
GF3 TI-500

Geforce 4 (NV1x/NV2x)
GF4 MX4000
GF4 MX420
GF4 MX440
GF4 MX440 SE
GF4 MX440 8X AGP
GF4 MX460
GF4 TI-4200
GF4 TI-4200 8X AGP
GF4 TI-4600
GF4 TI-4800
GF4 TI-4800 SE
GF4 PCX4300

Geforce FX series (NV3x)
5200
5200 LE
5200 Ultra
5200 128MB
5200 256MB
5500
5600
5600 Pro
5600 SE/XT
5600 Ultra
5700 LE
5700 VE
5700 Ultra DDR2
5700 Ultra GDDR3
5800
5800 Ultra
5900
5900 XT
5900 ZT
5900 Ultra
5950 Ultra
5990 Ultra
PCX 4300
PCX 5300
PCX 5750
PCX 5900

Geforce 6 series (NV4x)
6200
6200 LE
6200 LE TC (Turbo-Cache)
6200 SE TC (Turbo-Cache)
6200 TC (Turbo-Cache)
6500
6600 LE
6600 128MB
6600 256MB DDR2
6600 GT
6610 XL
6700 XL
6800
6800 XE
6800 LE
6800 XT
6800 GS
6800 GT
6800 Ultra
6800 Ultra "Extreme Edition"

Geforce 7 series (NV4x/G7x)
7100 GS
7300 SE
7300 LE
7300 GS
7300 GT
7500 LE
7600 LE
7600 GS
7600 GTL
7600 GST
7600 GT
7800 GS (G70 256MB)
7800 GS+ (G71 512MB)
7800 GT
7800 GTX
7800 GTX (Ultra) 512MB
7800 GX2
7900 GS
7900 GT
7900 GTO
7950 GT
7900 GTX
7900 GX2
7950 GX2

Geforce 8 series (G8x)
8300 GS
8300 GT
8500
8600 GS
8600 GT
8600 Ultra
8800 GTS 320MB
8800 GTS 640MB
8800 GTX 768MB


104 Cards
==================


OTHER


3dfx Voodoo 5 5500


1 Card
================


Thats a total of 227 Choices for a consumer choosing a video card. Enjoy.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By mino on 2/17/2007 8:44:21 AM , Rating: 2
AFAIK many X-seires such as X600 belong to the RV3x line...
However as both the R/RV3x and R/RV4x share the common design I would not consired them 2 generation. technologicaly they are single generation.
The same goes for GF6xxx and 7xxx series. The single next-gen part from the time of 6800 is in fact 8800 ...


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By melgross on 2/17/2007 6:56:36 PM , Rating: 2
You missed most of the Mac cards from ATI, and all of the ones from Nvidia.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By xsilver on 2/17/2007 10:48:11 AM , Rating: 2
and how many of those are still available in retail channels?

granted, realistically you've got about 20-30 choices

I like how you quote the voodoo 5500 which doesnt even have full directX support yet dont quote matrox or volari?


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By StevoLincolnite on 2/17/2007 10:38:44 PM , Rating: 1
He didn't make this list, some other guy on some other forum did. I prefer people to quote where they get they're information from.
Original source to his list:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?p=4892986


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Chillin1248 on 2/18/2007 7:00:51 AM , Rating: 5
Actually, I did make the list.

Brute Force on that forum is me, watch as I add "chillin1248" to the top of the first post at that link.

I do not condone stealing peoples work, and if I burrow theirs I always to my capability list my sources.

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Chillin


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By bohhad on 2/18/07, Rating: 0
RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By colgateam on 2/25/2007 3:05:52 AM , Rating: 2
Haha seeing StevoLincolnite get owned really made my day.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Crusader on 2/26/2007 9:31:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
8800 GTX 768MB


Done picking. Thanks.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By sprockkets on 2/26/2007 3:04:43 PM , Rating: 1
That's why I like how Linux identifies it by the chip itself and not the marketing crap. But even then, that is confusing too.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Targon on 3/14/2007 8:51:03 AM , Rating: 2
The problem comes from both ATI and NVIDIA when it comes to the names of cards. When you have GS, GT, GTS, Ultra, and the "plain" versions of cards, that's almost as bad as the Pro, XT, and XTX you see from ATI. What's wrong with releasing new numbers, like the X2800, X2805, X2810, X2815 and dropping all the extras?


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By obeseotron on 2/17/2007 4:54:51 PM , Rating: 2
I would have to say nVidia's naming scheme is a lot more consistent and to some extent easier to understand than ATI's. Since the Geforce 4 it's pretty consistently been the generation number followed by a number that differentiates it in speed from the others in the same generation. Comparing between generations is nearly impossible based solely on the number, but within a generation, it's been consistent with a few exceptions.

ATI's problem was starting with 8000 in the same generation that nVidia used 4000. After the 9000 series they went with X000 instead of 10000, and that leads to todays strange latin/arabic hybrid numbering scheme. ATI has also put misleading prefixes on some of their lowend cards making them seem to be from a newer generation than they actually are.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Dactyl on 2/17/2007 6:35:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seems they just added a 100 to every GPU segment this generation.
They can't keep that up, or their numbers will wrap around (the best card of the X3*00 series will be the X4100XTX)

Or they'll use two-digit numbers
X31100XTX

Or (my preference) they'll move to hexadecimal
X3B00XTX


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Warren21 on 2/17/2007 8:49:24 PM , Rating: 2
The numbers in the Radeon series aren't just for show, they mean something about the generation.

The X infront of 2900 is meant to be understood as a Roman numeral 10, meaning that an X2900 is a 12-series card.

Using wrap around or two digit numbers doesn't work.

Also, using hex would be severely bad marketing. 95 % of the population doesn't know hex, and it would confuse customers. People also believe (like in school grading) that the earlier the letter in the alphabet the better. IE Joe Shmoe would think that an A is better than a B, C, D, E or F.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Vinnybcfc on 2/22/2007 10:24:01 AM , Rating: 2
Or maybe they might go back to using a 7 and you have the X3700


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Hawkido on 2/22/2007 10:51:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Or (my preference) they'll move to hexadecimal


Oh No! I can already see it:
XFAAAGS PRO

Truly, Hex is not the way to go.

Talk about Marketing nightmare. Sales may go up in some segments though...


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By jay401 on 2/24/2007 12:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
Is there a "G" in hex? I thought hex only went out to "F".


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Tyler 86 on 2/24/2007 3:54:03 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, there are some GS series cards, like the 6800 GS...


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Jayceon Carter on 2/18/2007 4:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
ATi cards with 800 in their name, weren't the most popular/well performing in the past. Except for the 9800 (Pro). They can always upgrade the name to a X2950 if they need to.


RE: X2900? Not X2800?
By Future145 on 2/18/2007 9:53:05 PM , Rating: 2
its true that it doesnt leave much room for expantion but im guessing that they will just add more letters to the end like x2900 xt, x2900 xtx, x2950 xt,x2950 xtx and etc.


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