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AMD's internal guidance suggests the company isn't very far from 45nm at all

Late last year, AMD executives alluded to a 45nm successor to the Barcelona core, dubbed Shanghai.  AMD's Senior Vice President, Marty Seyer, claimed Shanghai would specifically "bring further performance enhancements, as well as cache efficiency." 

Shanghai is apparently more than just a cache-bump.  AMD's documentation explicitly claims Shanghai will be the company's first 45nm processor.  However, with a die shrink additional cache is one of the immediate architecture options as the smaller node allows for more transistors to fit on the chip die.  Shanghai features 6MB of L3 cache.

Barcelona, the 65nm quad-core next-generation Opteron from AMD, is expected to launch this summer with 2MB of L3 cache.  L3 cache on the K10 architecture is shared over all four cores, yet each core has an independent L2 cache as well. More details on how this new cache operation works was detailed in June 2006 on DailyTech.

All other features found on Barcelona will also make an appearance on Shanghai: AMD-Virtualization (previously codenamed Presido), RDDR2, and HyperTransport 3.0.  Like Barcelona, Shanghai will also tentatively ship with dual and quad-core variants.  In 2008 AMD will tennatively add Secure Initialization to all its AMD-V platforms, including Shanghai.

Shanghai will also use the Socket 1207 interface, suggesting existing motherboards will have the opportunity to upgrade to Shanghai processors -- AMD processors are typically designed to work with existing motherboards on same-socket interfaces with simple BIOS updates.

AMD and IBM recently announced intentions to pursue the 45nm node with high-k metal gate technology.  Intel disclosed similar process technology information one day prior to the IBM-AMD announcement.  Late last year IBM detailed its plans for utilizing immersion lithography for its 45nm test shuttles -- Intel uses the same process as well.

In a recent interview with Reuters, AMD senior vice president of technology development Douglas Grose claimed "We'll be producing early products probably in Q2 of 2008, with full production in the second half."  However, Grose also claims the company is still anticipating whether or not it will use high-k metal gate technology in later 45nm revisions or if the company will wait until 32nm.

IBM will certainly play an integral role in any 45nm plans for AMD, though production on the 45nm node ramp is not something AMD has discussed at length.  AMD's first 65nm processors just hit store shelves a few weeks ago.

Intel's 45nm processor, codenamed Penryn, has already been taped-out.  Intel guidance suggests the processor will be available to the channel in Q1 2008.

AMD's Barcelona was previously labeled the K8L architecture by AMD President Henri Richard in March 2006. Late last year, AMD executives began using the name K10 instead, while internally the platform is labeled Greyhound.  On paper, Shanghai appears to be architecturally identical to Barcelona, but utilizes the smaller node.


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I love the foolish fanboyism
By Beenthere on 2/5/2007 3:41:27 PM , Rating: -1
What Intel does best is send out Press Releases that the media reprints like puppets on a string. The media assumes Intel will deliver and that AMD will not. You can read this at 98% of IT sites. The fact that Intel has failed miserably over the past 4 years with one canceled product after another, one recall after another, one defective CPU design after another, aka Netburst, 90 nano process, etc., hasn't yet sunk in with the media. And the fact that AMD has executed superbly delivering exactly what they promised and more has also been missed by most in the media.

The fact that IBM/AMD announced high-K success two years ago is forgotten but Intel's fanfare of 45 nano high-K last week is "big news". Despite what the media proclaims, AMD has delivered the goods since the Athlon was rolled out. THAT is precisely why AMD's X86 market share is at an all time high of 25% and growing. That is why all of the major PC market players have been selling AMD iron for the past two years including DULL, who has finally signed up. Being willing to lose $1 Billion a year in BRIBE MONEY from Intel says a lot about DULL and the rest of the PC industry's confidence in AMD.

If you want to know what is really going on in Biz and the PC world you have to dig deeper than the fanboyism posted on many websites. Advertising dollars have a magically way of tainting the view of many a reporter and website. It's know as shilling for dollars and probably 98% of IT sites do it. Personally I don't trust any postings from people who have a conflict of interest and a financial motive.




RE: I love the foolish fanboyism
By Zandros on 2/5/2007 6:51:21 PM , Rating: 1
Fact is that AMD suck at marketing, and they always have. Best they have done is juvenile challenges, when everyone who cared already knew they were the better.

Intel's marketing division have done a far better job than AMD's, which was very evident during the NetBurst era.

I'm not quite sure that AMD have delivered all they said. I seem to remember they claiming 40% better performance from something, might have been SoI. Didn't see that, at least not immediately, and they seem to err a bit on the far side with the process shrinks, too.


By davegraham on 2/5/2007 7:20:06 PM , Rating: 3
however, you have to be fair in your assessment.
a.) quoting Tmax and sticking within that thermal envelope. Remember Prescott?
b.) implications of HyperTransport and onboard memory controller. I've seen multiple performance reviews point to the continued effectiveness of that I/O connector (HT) and the onboard MC.
c.) greater abilities in n-way than competing intel products up to the most recent generation. still holds i/o abilities beyond the competition even with L3 cache disadvantages.

those 3 points were KEY marketing issues with AMD IN THE SERVER MARKET that they've met or EXCEEDED. hmmmm, marketing is a bitch, but some companies can actually follow through.

dave


RE: I love the foolish fanboyism
By enumae on 2/5/2007 7:28:44 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The fact that IBM/AMD announced high-K success two years ago is forgotten but Intel's fanfare of 45 nano high-K last week is "big news".


Could you link to this?

Also, Dave Grahm had said...
quote:
they have shown them running and yes, they're perfectly capable of running "multiple OS's" and hardware.


Could you please link to this as well?

Thanks.


RE: I love the foolish fanboyism
By davegraham on 2/5/2007 7:30:43 PM , Rating: 2
i don't have links to them. I saw them running at AMD - Boxborough. :)

dave


RE: I love the foolish fanboyism
By enumae on 2/5/2007 9:35:11 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks.


RE: I love the foolish fanboyism
By kilkennycat on 2/5/2007 11:39:01 PM , Rating: 2
... running what ? A wattmeter ? A public or news-media event ? It would seem to me that AMD needs to seize every opportunity to show that the 65nm K8L designs are fully functional and headed for production to head off the gallop by the purchasing public to the Conroe derivatives. Now that Vista is here, many will be considering new computers or significant upgrades. For the PC-enthusiast community (and implicitly for AMD), no public sight yet of AMD's answer to Conroe is bad news.


RE: I love the foolish fanboyism
By Viditor on 2/6/2007 10:05:12 AM , Rating: 2
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It would seem to me that AMD needs to seize every opportunity to show that the 65nm K8L designs are fully functional and headed for production to head off the gallop by the purchasing public to the Conroe derivatives


Which is why you don't semiconductor companies...
One year ago, Intel had an even greater need to "seize every opportunity to show" that Conroe was real...they didn't do that until March.
Why do you think that AMD's need is greater than Intel's was when AMD is still taking marketshare away from Intel?


RE: I love the foolish fanboyism
By enumae on 2/6/2007 11:50:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why do you think that AMD's need is greater than Intel's was when AMD is still taking marketshare away from Intel?


1. Intel was still making money and not having to pay for an aquisition.

2. To try and halt the market share gains Intel is making in the high ASP Server segment which has a dirrect effect on AMD's margins.


"If you look at the last five years, if you look at what major innovations have occurred in computing technology, every single one of them came from AMD. Not a single innovation came from Intel." -- AMD CEO Hector Ruiz in 2007

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