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More "Penryn" details emerge

Despite the plethora of attention Penryn received over the last few weeks, Intel's newest roadmaps put the processor launch for Q1'08.  This indicates the launch has not necessarily accelerated even though the initial tape-out proved extremely successful.

On the other hand, Intel's 2008 roadmap shows every segment simultaneously deploying 45nm products.  Like AMD's recent 65nm Brisbane launch, Intel guidance notes the processors will start shipping Q4'07 but the actual launch will come as a coordinated 2008 event.

The first Intel 45nm treatments will come from the quad-core Yorkfield and dual-core Wolfdale desktop processors.  Wolfdale has two physical cores on a single die and up to 6MB of L2 cache.  Yorkfield is then two Wolfdale dice on a single package. Also worth noting: Wolfdale ships with a 1333MHz front-side bus and Yorkfield ships with a 1066MHz front-side bus.  Chipset support will largely come from Bearlake-family that was previously disclosed on DailyTech.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about these two processors is the return of Hyper-Threading.  This, however, does not mean that Yorkfield will appear as eight logical cores, nor does it mean Wolfdale will appear as four logical cores. Intel's internal guidance on the subject specifically claims the processor will ship with Hyper-Threading, but will only utilize 4 threads.  On every Intel roadmap in the past, Hyper-Threading doubles the amount of listed threads in the guidance documentation.  Clearly, there is more of a mystery here still.  (Update: Please read the retraction below.)

"The official company policy is that our engineers have left the door open for Hyper-Threading, but we cannot confirm or deny any future plans for the technology," adds Intel Public Relations Manager Dan Snyder.

All Penryn cores also include Intel TXT, previously known as Intel LaGrande Technology.  TXT stands for Trusted Execution Technology and refers to the collection of devices.  The Trusted Platform Module, or TPM, is one component. DMA page protection is another. 

Alas, even if 2008 seems like a long time away for the 45nm platform, it's important to note that all Intel platforms will have 45nm SKUs in Q1'08.  Penryn, the family name for Intel's first generation 45nm consumer CPUs, also refers specifically to the 45nm dual-core mobile CPU.  Intel's current roadmap claims this processor will lead the Q1'08 mobile push with several low voltage models coming one quarter later.

For servers, Wolfdale will make an appearance as a dual and single socket Xeon.  It's been long-standing Intel policy to separate desktop, mobile and server chipsets into different products; Conroe was the Core 2 desktop CPU and Woodcrest, though physically nearly identical, was the Xeon counterpart.  Wolfdale as a server and a desktop CPU indicates the chips are electrically identical -- though each will likely receive different packaging for the different sockets. 

Yorkfield will not receive the same codenaming treatment as Wolfdale on the server. Instead, Harpertown will be the quad-core Xeon for two socket servers.  Yorkfield will still be the company’s single-socket quad-core Xeon offering.

Update 01/31/2007:  Channel sources have reached out to DailyTech to emphasize that the addition of Hyper-Threading to Penryn-family processors in 2008 is incorrect and the result of dated channel data.  My feelings and thoughts about the retraction can be read on my blog.

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RE: picked up on this too
By James Holden on 1/30/2007 10:21:17 PM , Rating: 3
It's easy to get it right when you've reported every possible outcome.

RE: picked up on this too
By Dactyl on 1/31/2007 4:38:19 AM , Rating: 2
Digging up some info, confirming it with multiple sources, and then breaking a story is journalism.

Retracting that story when new information becomes available is also journalism.

Why did DailyTech run this story? There are two possibilities, neither of which makes the Inq look bad:

1: Kubicki talked to one or more of his sources, and they confirmed that Penryn will have HT. If his sources say so, then it's hard to fault the Inq for hearing similar information from their sources!

2: Kubicki didn't talk to any sources.

RE: picked up on this too
By crystal clear on 1/31/2007 8:04:37 AM , Rating: 3
"Why did DailyTech run this story? "

Because I asked this question below-

By crystal clear on 1/27/07, Rating: 2
By crystal clear on 1/27/2007 4:53:24 AM , Rating: 2

"Penryn is still not without its mysteries;"

Penryn cores will have HT re-enabled. -can Kristopher check
if this true.


Daily Tech is still not without its mysteries-HA.....


"Kubicki talked to one or more of his sources"

Read this-

Life With "Penryn"
Kristopher Kubicki (Blog) - January 27, 2007 12:01 AM

DailyTech had the opportunity to chat with Mark Bohr, Intel Senior Fellow, and Steve Smith, Intel Vice President DEG Group Operations, about the upcoming CPU design......


Now you know the source.


"Kubicki didn't talk to any sources"

Hey dont pass judgements-It will backfire on you -A dirty surprise -like my post did the job.


"then it's hard to fault the Inq for hearing similar information from their sources! "


Lets go to Inq & lets see what they write-YES here it is-
Read on..........


Penryn does not have HT

Multiple wrong sources

By Charlie Demerjian: Wednesday 31 January 2007, 07:42

DESPITE MULTIPLE documents saying it has HT, our earlier story is wrong.
Penryn does not have HT, nor will it ever. That banner is left up to Nehalem in late 2008.

More than enough engineers, Lenovo sales people in outer Mongolia and the usual rabble picketing my house all confirm that it is not there.

Sorry for the confusion. µ


What source they have-Some sales people,engineers etc .....

By James Holden on 1/31/2007 11:36:01 AM , Rating: 2

There's a 30mil transistor difference between Conroe and Penryn once you remove cache. Some of that is SSE4.

Like I said, the inquirer has a good habit of being right when they predict every possible outcome.

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