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Bleeding edge AMD fans rejoice; your 3.0GHz processor has arrived

It appears as though the February 20th, 2007 embargo date on Athlon 64 X2 6000+ applies to everyone except DailyTech and Newegg.  Details of the last high-end Athlon 64 X2 processor before AMD's next-generation microarchitecture was leaked out DailyTech just a few days ago.

Ryan Shrout tells us that early this morning the retailer began selling the 3.0GHz chip for $599 in-stock, which is actually just under the volume distributor pricing of $607. also lists the processor, but for $685 and out of stock

The processor is slated to launch in a little more than three weeks, but it appears that information about the CPU has already been disclosed.  The  model number has not appeared on AMD's website yet.  AMD's model number, ADX6000IAA6CZ, was leaked with some preliminary specifications on Asrock's motherboard support website early this year.

The CPU is a 90nm dual-core 3.0GHz processor. It features 1MB L2 cache per core and is essentially identical to the Athlon 64 FX-74 processor with the exception that the 6000+ uses Socket AM2 instead of Socket 1207. 

Two Athlon 64 FX 70-series processors are used in AMD's high-end Quad FX platform.  Typically the FX-family processors cost significantly more than the desktop components, but in this case the FX-74 is actually priced $50 less than the 6000+ at Newegg.

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A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By Saist on 1/27/2007 6:49:28 PM , Rating: -1
Alright, I just read the above posts, and it's time to rip them apart.

How long has Socket AM2 been out? About since May 23rd 2006.

How long has Socket 775 been out? THG talked about the launch back on June 19, 2004.

How many people who bought Socket AM2 motherboards last year, back in March and April, are able to use Single Core, Dual Core, Quad Core, this new 3.0ghz chip, and AM3 socket Processors? Every single one.

How many people who bought Socket 775 motherboards last year, back in March and April, are able to use Conroe, Dual Core Conroe, and Quad Core Kentsfield. Almost none.

The point is, every single time Intel launches a new processor, even for an existing socket, in this case one that is for a socket well over 2 years old, chances are you'll need to also be buying a new motherboard with it.

So, to those who claim that you should pick up E6600 over an Socket AM2? Sorry, but I like being able to buy a new processor alone, not a new motherboard at the same time.

So, if you did make the mistake of buying Conroe based chips, and it was a mistake, you have my pity. Take it.

I'll have the upgrade path for myself.

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By TomZ on 1/27/2007 7:58:51 PM , Rating: 1
I always upgrade MB + MEM + CPU together, so I see incompatibilities as a non-issue. By the time I'm ready for a new CPU, there are larger, faster types of memory, and better, faster motherboards with more features.

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By zeroslugfm on 1/27/2007 9:00:55 PM , Rating: 2
and I'm quite satisfied with my s939 system; swapped out the processor without so much as a hiccup. Not everyone has the time and/or funds to change out their systems every few months ~

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By TomZ on 1/27/2007 10:22:52 PM , Rating: 2
I upgrade every 2 years or so and I use my machine ~70 hours/week for my livelihood, so I don't mind investing another $1000 every two years.

My current build has a Vista score of 5.2 (lowest component) and 5.7 (average), and even if I upgraded to the top-of-the-line today, I could probably only get that up to 5.6 (lowest) and 5.9 (average), which is not worth the time or money.

By omrtech on 1/28/2007 4:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
I am like you, by the time I am ready to upgrade, pretty much everything is done at once as things advance so quickly. I spend about $1000 too and get the most bang for the buck.

But I also agree with zeroslugfm, it's nice to have the upgrad option. I am actually upgrading my brother-in-laws cpu to the max that motherboard will allow (should be about another 400 MHz) Good deal for the money, and should extend the life for a while.

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By Lord 666 on 1/27/07, Rating: -1
RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By kenji4life on 1/28/2007 12:27:34 AM , Rating: 3
Well, I'd hardly call it desperation.

By your logic any company releasing a new product despite another company having better ones at the time is 'desperation'

And since why would AMD even try to stop die-hard fans? of what? AMD or Intel? I assure you that the term die hard means that an AMD die-hard fan would never buy intel products despite superiority. Likewise a diehard intel fan isn't going to jump ship for AMD. We all saw how many people stuck with Intel through netburst if nothing else out of plain ignorant 'diehard' intel loyalty...

It is ten times more likely that this product release is a 'milestone' like said before, and a motivating factor for companies like dell, hp, gateway, compaq etc to upgrade their high end AMD systems - so that the somewhat ignorant consumers of such companies can see that AMD is 'keeping up' with intel, at least as far as clockspeeds are concerned.

It's amazing how little it takes for the uneducated (computer hardware wise) consumer to make an uneducated buying decision.

This is not necessarily to say that such consumer wouldn't be 100% happy with a 400 dollar HP computer with a 3800X2 and a gig of ram etc. Quite to the contrary, they will probably be blown away by its performance and be happy with their new computer. Until it is riddled with viruses and spyware in a year (ha ha it seems this goes hand in hand with uneducated buyers)

It's all business. Just like AMD/ATI was a business decision. Who honestly thinks it'd be in AMD's best interest to fight with Nvidia? Or that it'd be in Nvidia's best interest to show animosity towards one of it's biggest markets? Matter of fact the only real losers in the situation are SiS and VIA, as they will have to actually try harder to make a fricken chipset now like they used to back in the day. There will come a point where lame-o onboard graphics just don't cut it anymore.

Enough ranting, must goto work and put up with bull for dough. It's all business though. Can't let it get to you like I was before I got some sleep :)

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By SunLord on 1/28/2007 3:11:19 AM , Rating: 2
Finally a smart person!

This release has nothing to do with the fanboy retards/gaming morons (Yes buying a new $500 Video every year for 10FPS makes you a moron) who haunt AT and most other hardware sites with there wise and knowledgeable comments.

This is all about fooling the average joe moron who buys Dell or HP and grew up on the great MHz race and sees the 3.0GHz as a giant Neon Billboard that says I'm the fastest and newest thing out and worth the money buy me! Yet has no grasp on IPC since it's to complex for the majority of non-pc users to bother thinking

To bad you guys are to wrapped up in you own little fanboy egos to think clearly.

I own an AMD s939 i got it in June of 06 it's more then enough for me. My next upgrade will be to Dual-core AM2 after the QCs come out. Why am I buying a slower AMD system? Because the performance difference isn't worth the extra $40+ to me. I have better things to spend money on since I don't get off on having an uber gaming box of DOOOOM.

By mindless1 on 1/28/2007 9:21:55 AM , Rating: 2
It's not about fooling anybody. How hard can it be to understand this very simple truth to CPUs?

They have a roadmap and release new products to extend their current line until they are nearer ready to move on. They have to wait for yields enough to support the perceived market demand for the product, and it's price reflects it's product position and scarcity (at the highest speed(s)).

It is no secret plan, no trick, no scheming relative to anything. There's no average joe that that is going to be fooled looking at the type of CPU, it's rating relative to other same family, and price. Joe has internet access now and has probably heard of Google. He'll be checking on this chip before putting over $500 on it.

By Lord 666 on 1/28/2007 6:45:37 AM , Rating: 2
By your logic any company releasing a new product despite another company having better ones at the time is 'desperation'

After AMD's stock lost 8.6% and reported a 574 million dollar loss (most of it for acquiring ATI), bringing positive news to the forefront would be in their best interest as Wall St's opinion weighs heavily.

AMD PR news being 3.0ghz cpu and their upcoming quad-core. Intel's PR of 45nm process using breakthrough engineering processes, two fabs will be using it mid-2007, and Sun now uses Intel CPUs rings a bit louder.

With big companies like AMD, their product releases are large coordinated efforts between the marketing, distribution, etc. For a product to become available (in hands no less) about one month prior to embargo date, the financial department and executives were involved in the escalation.

Intel and AMD have an ebb and flow when it comes to design cycles and performance leaders. Intel is obviously concerned about AMD's quad core, that is why they are reducing the price of the Q6600 to $530 Q2. AMD cannot compete financially in a price war for an extended period of time with Intel as noted by AMD's recent financial statement.

Disclaimer: Lord 666 does not currently own any AMD processors. Additionally, does not hold AMD or Intel Stock

By TomZ on 1/28/2007 8:46:12 AM , Rating: 2
By your logic any company releasing a new product despite another company having better ones at the time is 'desperation'

The problem with AMD's strategy, as has been pointed out with others, is their price point is way out of line. Only a fool would pay $600 for that processor in the current pricing environment. Faster Intel processors can be had for much less cost.

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By wallijonn on 1/29/2007 4:14:34 PM , Rating: 2
[quote]There will come a point where lame-o onboard graphics just don't cut it anymore. [/quote]

It's called Vista. And buying Vista for us on built in graphics is a waste.

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By mino on 1/29/2007 5:04:33 PM , Rating: 2
I'd have to disagree.

RS485, C51G, not to mention RS690 are more than capable to handle Aero.

As for gamig, that has nothing to do with Vista.

By mino on 1/29/2007 5:07:13 PM , Rating: 2
At the same time.
Buying Vista is a waste on itself.

Or buing Vista on an OEM machine for that matter.

By CorporalGaydar on 1/28/2007 3:38:42 AM , Rating: 5
Time to rip them apart? Did you actually read them? Sure, you have to upgrade the 775 everytime a new processor is released, and yes, that does suck. However, who in their right mind would run an AM3 processor on an AM2 motherboard?

I appreciate that it would be useful for those who need to upgrade slowly / part by part, but for your average enthusiast, they're not going to want to halve the HT link just for the sake of expediency.

I don't like Intel, and I don't like Conroe - I think that despite its very impressive credentials, I think it's dull, and uninspiring: whether or not AMD use Z-RAM or not, I admire them for trying to do something interesting, just in the same way I admire Intel for pushing quad-core.

As much as I like AMD, the fact is that Conroe is better : and you can't logically prove that AMD has a response to that. Of course, a 6600 is better than pretty much anything AMD could do right now, and the fact that you may have to buy a new motherboard doesn't really change that. And like the guy said, if you can buy a E6600, motherboard, and 2GB of DDR2 for the same price as this AMD processor, with enough change left over for a fancy heatsink, I can't see how that can be a criticism of Intel. Especially seeing as the 6600 would probably win.

RE: A couple of questions for Dailytech Idiots.
By mino on 1/29/2007 5:10:54 PM , Rating: 2
Would you care to explain to us what benefit except q few watt power reduction and expensive DDR3 memory does it bring to the table?

FYI even 600MHz HT link gets saturated on current systems...

For servers? yhea bring it on! For desktops? well, it is nice to have while for free...

By mino on 1/29/2007 5:11:56 PM , Rating: 2
"FYI even 600MHz HT link gets saturated on current systems..."

does NOT get saturated, ofcourse

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