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Bleeding edge AMD fans rejoice; your 3.0GHz processor has arrived

It appears as though the February 20th, 2007 embargo date on Athlon 64 X2 6000+ applies to everyone except DailyTech and Newegg.  Details of the last high-end Athlon 64 X2 processor before AMD's next-generation microarchitecture was leaked out DailyTech just a few days ago.

Ryan Shrout tells us that early this morning the retailer began selling the 3.0GHz chip for $599 in-stock, which is actually just under the volume distributor pricing of $607. also lists the processor, but for $685 and out of stock

The processor is slated to launch in a little more than three weeks, but it appears that information about the CPU has already been disclosed.  The  model number has not appeared on AMD's website yet.  AMD's model number, ADX6000IAA6CZ, was leaked with some preliminary specifications on Asrock's motherboard support website early this year.

The CPU is a 90nm dual-core 3.0GHz processor. It features 1MB L2 cache per core and is essentially identical to the Athlon 64 FX-74 processor with the exception that the 6000+ uses Socket AM2 instead of Socket 1207. 

Two Athlon 64 FX 70-series processors are used in AMD's high-end Quad FX platform.  Typically the FX-family processors cost significantly more than the desktop components, but in this case the FX-74 is actually priced $50 less than the 6000+ at Newegg.

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Waste of money.
By clairvoyant129 on 1/27/2007 5:03:48 PM , Rating: -1
Completeley unnecessary, unless you want a space heater during the winter.

For $600, you could pick up an E6600 + a decent motherboard + 2GB PC6400. This is garbage released by AMD.

RE: Waste of money.
By jmunjr on 1/27/2007 5:14:55 PM , Rating: 2
"Completeley unnecessary"...just like your post, and mine...

RE: Waste of money.
By kenji4life on 1/27/2007 5:23:09 PM , Rating: 5
I hate to say it, but K8 is starting to feel like Netburst at this point. Release after release of pointless 'faster' processors from AMD. AFAI am concerned, there's really no reason to buy any AM2 beyond a 3800 x2

The only difference is that Netburst was just a bad baby while K8 is more or less just long in the tooth.

I now understand how the die-hard Intel fans felt about 1 year ago.

RE: Waste of money.
By KaiserCSS on 1/27/2007 5:39:35 PM , Rating: 5
Holy crap, I'm starting to see a cycle here!

First the Intel hardcore refused to move on to AMD64 processors, now the AMD loyal are slow in adopting Core 2. It's the circle of fanboyism restarting.

Just FYI, I'm still happy with my AMD64 X2 3800+. Maybe in a few months I'll move on... but I love my X2 so much. It will be difficult... :'(

PS: AFAI? It took me 10 seconds to figure that out... is it really that hard to spell out "as far as I"?

Oh, internets.

RE: Waste of money.
By kenji4life on 1/27/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waste of money.
By kenji4life on 1/27/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waste of money.
By KaiserCSS on 1/27/2007 5:54:26 PM , Rating: 2
It's not my fault that:
1. I type too fast for my own good
B. You can't think as fast as you read
III. You take the 'internets' too flippin seriously.

Me? Wow dude, chill. I was just pointing that out because I thought it was humorous; that's the first time I've ever seen someone abbreviate "as far as I". No offense intended.

RE: Waste of money.
By kenji4life on 1/27/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waste of money.
By Timbear2020 on 1/30/2007 4:10:42 PM , Rating: 2
S'ok, clearly has chip envy or something...

People rarely get pissed without SOME reason, no matter obtuse.

RE: Waste of money.
By feelingshorter on 1/27/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waste of money.
By elegault on 1/27/2007 11:23:59 PM , Rating: 4
Better to keep money in America anyways.

Exactly how does buying Intel keep money in America?

RE: Waste of money.
By poohbear on 1/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waste of money.
By skagen on 1/28/2007 9:33:04 AM , Rating: 3
now i am rofl, knowing that this AMD CPU was designed and validated by hard working Austin Texans -- and the Intel CPU designed and tested in good ole' Israel. What is your economic lesson here? That AMD has a fab in DK; packages in Malaysia? Where do you think Intel does their packaging?

RE: Waste of money.
By jarman on 1/28/2007 4:22:38 PM , Rating: 2
You would do well to take some of your own advice. Regardless of where Intel's R&D, manufacturing, testing, purchasing, and shipping occur that profit still ends up in the hands of Intel corporation. While labor and other SG&A do become out of pocket expenditures for Intel, those costs are already accounted for in the price of Intel's products. Give or take for import tariffs (if applicable) and currency exchange rates and that profit still stays with Intel, right here in America. Just like it would with AMD.

RE: Waste of money.
By bldckstark on 2/1/2007 5:07:30 PM , Rating: 2
Intel is a publicly traded company. That means that any and all assets are owned by the stock holders. Be they American, Deutsch, or Japanese. The same is true for auto manufacturers. The profit goes to the stock holders. The real money is where the workers are located. The economy where the workers of a large labor force gets paid is where you need to be looking to make your purchasing choices if you are ignorant enough to care where it is "made".

RE: Waste of money.
By skagen on 1/28/2007 9:56:14 AM , Rating: 3
Intel has six assembly and test sites worldwide and is building a seventh, all of them outside the U.S. Assembly and test sites outside the United States are located in Shanghai, China; Chengdu, China; San Jose, Costa Rica; Kulim, Malaysia; Penang, Malaysia; and Cavite, Philippines. An assembly and testing site in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, is under construction. There is one testing facility and one assembly development facility inside the U.S.

About half of Intel’s total workforce is involved in production or production services.

RE: Waste of money.
By jarman on 1/28/2007 4:25:49 PM , Rating: 1
About half of Intel’s total workforce is involved in production or production services.

And? Is that work force not employed (directly or indirectly) by Intel?

RE: Waste of money.
By kamel5547 on 1/29/2007 12:10:41 AM , Rating: 2
A) AMD is based in Sunnyvale, CA... I guess that makes it less American than Intel?
B)Intel and AMD are both good at what they do... AMD may be a bit long in the product cycle, but that may change with Barcelona.
C) C2D only gives more bang for the buck at a certain price point... below that AMD is still better.

RE: Waste of money.
By Comdrpopnfresh on 1/27/2007 9:50:02 PM , Rating: 2
I'm happy with my 939 x2 3800+ as well. I mean, it is easily clocked to 2.7ghz.... But I won't hop on c2d, I'll either wait for Intel to shoot its own prices down by releasing The 45nm chips which will be batter than current 65nm versions, or until amd releases better architecture

RE: Waste of money.
By knowyourenemy on 1/27/2007 10:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
Looking at the Kentsfield, myself. I intend to move to quad core as soon as possible. However, today, with AMD making claims of their future chip, I may hold off until the quad core race begins.

RE: Waste of money.
By crystal clear on 1/28/2007 3:55:00 AM , Rating: 2
"Holy crap, I'm starting to see a cycle here"


AFAI? It took me 10 seconds to figure that out.

"is it really that hard to catch the creep at his dirty work."

RE: Waste of money.
By dgingeri on 1/29/2007 12:20:09 PM , Rating: 2
AFAI am concerned, there's really no reason to buy any AM2 beyond a 3800 x2

Well, I can give a good reason.

My company is now buying AM2 based machines, and probably will for the next year. The comparable Core 2 based machines available through our supplier is almost 50% more expensive, so our desktops are currently Athlon64 3500+ or the X2 4200+. For just under $800, we can get a 4200+, 1GB memory, 80GB SATA hard drive, and DVD/CD-RW. The closest unit CDW has with a Core 2 is a 6400 with 1GB memory for $1180. We're actually better off with the AM2 systems. If the price comes down by next year, we might buy the Core 2 based systems.

OTOH, our laptops are all Core/Core 2 based.

We have a certain budget, and we go for the best we can get within that budget. In this case, our desktops are HP DC5750's and our laptops are HP NC6400's.

For the money, we couldn't find more reliable or better performing systems.

RE: Waste of money.
By PrezWeezy on 1/31/2007 3:10:03 PM , Rating: 2
Well you should find a different distributor. We are building C2D's with 1GB Kingston Value RAM, 80GB WD HDD's, Case, PS, E6300, and DVDRW's for $600 (give or take $50 depending on memory and part price flux.) That's just $200 more than the 3.0 P4's we used to build.

RE: Waste of money.
By Hoser McMoose on 1/29/2007 1:41:30 PM , Rating: 2
The only difference is that Netburst was just a bad baby while K8 is more or less just long in the tooth.

How exactly is the K8 "long in the tooth" while Netburst was not?! Keep in mind that Netburst was first released in 2000 and between that time and the end of 2003 when AMD released their Athlon64 it was generally the fastest processor out there (there was a brief period when the AthlonXP was about on-par with the fastest P4s, but that was only a few months).

By the time Netburst was being really eclipsed by the Athlon64 architecture it slightly over 3 years old. On the other hand, the Athlon64 was slightly less then 3 years old when the Core 2 Duo was released.

The problem was NOT that Netburst was a bad baby, it was just that Intel didn't have a replacement for it until almost 3 years after it was needed! Actually, they sort of did in the Prescott, which was rather heavily modified from the original P4. Now THAT was a "bad baby". However looking at the P4 in general, and in particular the Northwood where it really hit it's stride, the P4 was actually quite a good processor.

RE: Waste of money.
By mino on 1/29/2007 4:50:16 PM , Rating: 2
You got the history lesson wrong.

P4 was on top starting by 2.4 Northwood chips. Anyting before was AMD.

Willamette could not win with its own P3, not to mention Athlon at a time.

RE: Waste of money.
By Hoser McMoose on 1/30/2007 5:01:43 PM , Rating: 2
When the P4 was released, the fastest AMD chip was 1.2GHz, and the two were competitive. But by the summer of 2001 Intel was up to 2.0GHz with the P4 vs. 1.4GHz for AMD and only 1.13GHz for the P3. By that stage the raw clock speed of the P4 was enough to overcome any other potential weaknesses and it was the performance leader in the majority of applications. There were a few months when AMD was competitive again with the release of their AthlonXP chips in late 2001, but the release of the Northwood in Jan. of 2002 pretty much negated that.

AMD could still compete reasonably well though due to costs, not just of the processor but also the motherboards and especially the RDRAM needed for the P4.

Anyway, the long story short is that while the P4 had more than it's fair share of detractors and it was often very expensive for the performance it offered, for several years of it's life it was the fastest chip out there. The same was true with the Athlon64.

RE: Waste of money.
By sweetpapa on 1/28/2007 1:40:22 AM , Rating: 5
Well, AMD had to do something to fill the gap between Barcelona.

IMHO AMD has been making excellent design choices for their chips and it's a compliment that AMD64 has lasted them this long, even though everybody's raving about the Core chips.

AMD has no where near the R&D budget of Intel, yet they've outperformed Intel until Core came out. That's due to AMD making the right design decisions for AMD64 such as hypertransport and an onchip memory controller. They overdesigned the AMD64 for the time that it was introduced and basically all AMD64 chips have server grade architecture. All Intel could do to remain competitive was increase clock speed, beat AMD at manufacturing by being early to new process shrinks, and through tons of cache on their chips.

You have to believe that AMD has positioned themselves to again to make the right design choices for Barcelona, because they have to. They can't afford to throw tons of money to hack out a solution to make their chips competitive or push on to a process shrink.

Even though Core is a great chip, it still stinks of Intel hacking the chip to make it fast. Honestly, imagine if Core had an onchip memory controller, instead of alot of cache to hide latency. Intel's still a couple of years away from an onchip memory controller. They know it's the right thing to do, but did they do for Core. Nope, didn't have time.

Yes AMD64 is long in the tooth compared to Core, but I am hopeful for Barcelona. AMD has to execute well especially with Intel's turnaround.

RE: Waste of money.
By Supa on 1/27/2007 5:26:36 PM , Rating: 5
Don't be mad, this is just a milestone kind of thing; it needs to happen, and if it's released to the market, it needs a price.

Now that a milestone is reached, we can look forward to a new one.

AMD has done great things for consumers by being a serious competitor to Intel, we should be grateful.


RE: Waste of money.
By Goty on 1/27/2007 6:58:59 PM , Rating: 5
So why exactly is it garbage? Does this mean that the whole Pentium D line and all prescott processors are garbage as well? Does this mean that all conroe-derived processors will be crap 6 months from now when something better comes out?

Come back in ten years when you've gotten through puberty.

RE: Waste of money.
By Scrogneugneu on 1/27/2007 8:09:01 PM , Rating: 5
Does this mean that the whole Pentium D line and all prescott processors are garbage as well?

Yeah. Who told you it wasn't?

RE: Waste of money.
By crystal clear on 1/27/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waste of money.
By Darith on 1/29/2007 12:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
Correct you are!

RE: Waste of money.
By Hare on 1/28/2007 4:53:33 AM , Rating: 5
It's garbage either because

a) the performance per $ is low
b) the absolute performance is low
c) the performance per watt is low
d) or a combination of all these

I couldn't care less what logo my processor has as long as it delivers good performance and doesn't cost a lot. That's exactly why I've had Bartons, A64, X2, Pentium Mobile and now C2D E6300. I just don't understand the loyality to one specific manufacturer. Same thing with graphics. Ati -> nVidia -> Ati. I just look for performance per buck.

And yes. The Pentium D line is garbage and always was since the A64 offer a lot better performance and wattage as well as price.

RE: Waste of money.
By coldpower27 on 1/29/2007 7:25:17 PM , Rating: 2
That is not how things work, this processor isn't as good as what the competition offers at the equivalent price point. However, regardless it will still be released as AMD needs time to bridge the gap until K8L/K10 derivatives.

The Pentium D was an acceptable Dual Core for the price in the lower spectrum as it was priced at cheaper levels then the AMD Athlon 64x2 3800+, especially with the Pentium D 805 and Pentium D 920, 930 later on in the cycle.

The Athlon 64x2 had good performance, but were priced high. Nothing was below 300USD, before the advent of Core 2 Duo.

RE: Waste of money.
By mindless1 on 1/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: Waste of money.
By MonkeyPaw on 1/27/2007 10:25:38 PM , Rating: 2
Companies still need to release new products. AMD would truly suck as a business if they released nothing new at all. Releasing nothing shows that they can't even improve the product they currently have, much less offer a new one. Hitting 3.0ghz is not a bad thing, it's just not a great thing either.

RE: Waste of money.
By Adonlude on 1/27/2007 11:31:45 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. There is no reason to purchase this part when there is a far superiour Intel part available. Your post was not pointless.

RE: Waste of money.
By StevoLincolnite on 1/28/2007 12:23:02 AM , Rating: 2
If it was cheaper, there would be a reason to purchase it, but considering you can by a core2, mobo, ram etc for that price, it kind of makes it pointless.
And the Athlon FX-74 (Windsor) is currently going for $550 and considering they have almost the same configuration... What looks like the better choice? (Problem is its socket F).
Yet if you go for the Socket AM2 FX-62 @ 2.8ghz I'm sure you could crank that extra 200mhz and it only costs $495 bucks.

RE: Waste of money.
By Missing Ghost on 1/28/2007 12:26:46 AM , Rating: 2
I agree. That thing must be a real must be a poor OCer too.

RE: Waste of money.
By Master Kenobi on 1/29/2007 8:51:36 AM , Rating: 2
Given past history OCing AMD chips, I would say this is just a factory OC version of the other chips. Probably doesn't OC at all because its already on the edge of its limits.

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