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$29 for the option to dual boot OS X and Windows

A report at MacScoop claims that according to leaked report from Apple, the final release of Boot Camp when released will cost users roughly $29 USD. Boot Camp has been available as a free public beta since early 2006 when Apple made its first transition to Intel processors. The software add-on allows x86 Mac users to install a fully working copy of Windows XP, which ran natively on their x86 Macs. Users who use Apple's Boot Camp are able to install and separately boot a fresh copy of Windows.

While the report says that the source of the leak is not entirely sure about the final cost of Boot Camp, they are sure that Apple will be charging for the download. Those who have Boot Camp now can still continue to use the software, but Apple apparently will cease driver support for those who do not upgrade. The report also claims that Apple will officially support Windows Vista via Boot Camp when it is released.

Boot Camp is expected to make its official debut along with Apple's next generation operating system, codenamed Leopard. The report also claims that Apple will be providing Leopard users with Boot Camp free of charge. Apple did make a comment in 2006 that Leopard will have Boot Camp fully integrated. Leopard is expected to make an official showing this coming spring.



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RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By FITCamaro on 1/22/2007 10:51:30 AM , Rating: 2
It shouldn't have cost them anything to make Windows work on their hardware. It's the same stuff thats in a Dell except for a few Apple specific things. Theres no reason Windows can't run on a Mac today other than Mac won't let it without paying money (once they start charging). I'll never own a Mac because 1) they're too damn expensive and 2) OS X sucks to use anyway. Rates up there with Linux in terms of ease of use. And its not high.

Say what you want about Windows. But its intuitive and easy to use. Where are your programs? In the Program Files folder. Where do you go to control everything. Control Panel. With Mac I have to fight it to give me a list of my network drives every time. And I still haven't found certain options in their tiny control panel that doesn't let you easily adjust certain things.

By switching to Intel processors, in my mind, the only reason to own a Mac is gone. Now they're no better at content creation than a PC. The playing field is level now because now the only thing that might make one better than the other is the software. But now developers have no reason not to put it on Windows since they hardly have to do any changing to get it to run.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By mydogfarted on 1/22/2007 11:45:17 AM , Rating: 2
You're kidding about OS X ease of use, right? You must be mildly retarded. Click on Finder, then "Programs" - how hard is that? Once you stop trying to treat OS X like a Windows machine, it's actually intuitive. Ask any graphic arts or photography professional and they'll tell you the Windows versions of tools suck.

Want a good, corporate desktop? Use Windows. Want a machine that won't "blue-screen", have driver conflicts and basically just work when you need it - buy a Mac. As someone who despised Macs for years and works daily developing for and supporting our corporate Linux, Unix, Windows, AS/400, etc., going home to my MacBook Pro is a joy.

Paying for Boot Camp is kind of shitty, but we're talking about $30. I spent more than that on my gaming mouse. Oh, yeah - you can do that too on OS X. Quake 4 runs better on my Mac than it does on my PC with XP Pro.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By nurbsenvi on 1/22/2007 12:44:48 PM , Rating: 2
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Ask any graphic arts or photography professional and they'll tell you the Windows versions of tools suck.


I am graphic artist and I do a lot of graphic works and can tell you this: Mac sucks.

There are A LOT more programs readily available on PCs including games

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Want a machine that won't "blue-screen"


Since XP I haven't seen blue-screen for the last 3 years it's virtually gone... if said things are happening to you: you are either using 98 or you should stop visiting those illegal porn sites to avoid viruses.

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Quake 4 runs better on my Mac than it does on my PC with XP Pro.


Whoa!!



RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By rultin on 1/22/2007 1:32:38 PM , Rating: 2
Actually...I purchased a Mac Mini (intel version) and whithin 20 minutes was able to get it to lock up and crash repeatedly. Never thought I would see it happen. But installing software should never lock up and crash your machine. I had to run a recovery to get it working again. Pretty sad.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By glennpratt on 1/22/2007 2:54:02 PM , Rating: 2
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Ask any graphic arts or photography professional and they'll tell you the Windows versions of tools suck.


Bullcrap.

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Want a machine that won't "blue-screen", have driver conflicts and basically just work when you need it - buy a Mac


You mean use a machine that supports far less hardware then any other major OS available? Seriously, XP doesn't crash often on tested retail machines. It crashes on the piece of junk you put together from Fry's with that pirated copy of XP Corp.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By mydogfarted on 1/22/2007 4:43:22 PM , Rating: 2
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You mean use a machine that supports far less hardware then any other major OS available? Seriously, XP doesn't crash often on tested retail machines. It crashes on the piece of junk you put together from Fry's with that pirated copy of XP Corp.


Whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy about yourself. All three PCs I own have legit copies that I've bought or came installed on the machine. Plus, with my MSDN subscription I get EVERY available MS operating system.

How can you even say Macs support less hardware than every other major OS available? The only other MAJOR OS is Windows! Linux isn't a major OS and most certainly has slight differences between distributions and spotty drivers at best.

What people fail to remember and accept is Apple is a hardware vendor that writes an OS to work on their machines. Has it occurred to any of you that the switch to Intel was also to allow people to run Windows on their hardware if they choose?


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By glennpratt on 1/22/2007 7:15:40 PM , Rating: 2
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Linux isn't a major OS


I suggest you just sit down and think about what you just said. If you're arguing semantics, fine. Distributions based on GNU/Linux combine to form a major OS.

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spotty drivers at best.


Let's rephrase that. Linux has less then ideal driver support for new hardware, which the manufacturers will not document. In comparison to the Mac however, Linux has a truckload of drivers. Ever notice where most of the bundled OS X printer drivers came from? The gimp-print project, originally a plugin for The GIMP.

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What people fail to remember and accept is Apple is a hardware vendor that writes an OS to work on their machines. Has it occurred to any of you that the switch to Intel was also to allow people to run Windows on their hardware if they choose?


What? I'm sorry what is your point?


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By TomZ on 1/22/2007 4:03:17 PM , Rating: 2
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Ask any graphic arts or photography professional and they'll tell you the Windows versions of tools suck.

That's a pretty ironic statement, since for the most part, the worst graphics apps are those that tried to bring their mac-like GUI into Windows, e.g., Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. These apps are a nightmare for Windows users because their GUIs are so quirky and don't make sense for Windows users at all.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By Rayz on 1/23/2007 6:42:51 AM , Rating: 2
Want a machine that won't "blue-screen",

Yep, got to this point; realised you didn't know what you're talking about.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By Zirconium on 1/22/07, Rating: 0
RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By FITCamaro on 1/22/2007 12:57:43 PM , Rating: 2
The user base for Linux isn't big enough to justify the cost could be one reason. Yes my statement was over simplified but it doesn't require as big a rewrite of the code due to competing architectures anymore. Porting from Mac to PC is much easier than it used to be. And I'd say the financial benefits outweigh the cons considering the userbase of Mac vs. Windows.

As far as the tools are better on the Mac. How? I've used Photoshop on a Mac and Photoshop on a PC. They work the same. I've used Premiere on a PC and a Mac. Works the same. Yes there's probably some better tools that are on Macs instead of PCs still, but now if you upgrade to the Intel based Macs, your programs are gonna run half as fast since it has to emulate the PowerPC architecture. The PowerPC Macs were better and faster at content creation than x86 processors, but now that advantage is gone.

And you might find OS X intuitive. But I don't. Yes I was raised on Windows so that could be a factor but thats not going to change so I still do and always will consider Windows to be more intuitive for me. Plus, as stupid an arguement it might be, its valid, I can't play games on Mac other than a handful. WoW sucks, Doom 3 is old and wasn't that good, and I don't play Myst.

XP does everything I need it to which is equal and above what a Mac can do. And if you're not an idiot its secure.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By Zirconium on 1/22/2007 5:52:34 PM , Rating: 1
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Yes my statement was over simplified but it doesn't require as big a rewrite of the code due to competing architectures anymore.

Hardware architecture is not the dominant factor in cross-platform coding. Maybe it is if your code uses a lot of assembly instructions or does fancy stuff with pointers, but the majority of modern programs are written in high-level programming languages that can be compiled on a number of platforms. The issue, however, is with the APIs. Windows/OSX/Linux have different APIs. For instance, there are a number of GTK apps that have been ported to Windows only after GTK was written for Windows. On the flip side, you have Wine which seeks to write APIs for Linux (which is why Wine is not an emulator like some people think, and why it runs faster than emulation).
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As far as the tools are better on the Mac.

I never said that. Learn to reply to the correct person.
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And you might find OS X intuitive.

I said I didn't like it. Learn to read my post.


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By Fenixgoon on 1/22/2007 2:44:48 PM , Rating: 2
if i'm not mistaken, EFI offers little/no advantage over BIOS. it's just apple marketing BS. PCI is legacy? technically, yes, but guess what, there are tons of add on cards that use the PCI slots/bus. so you can kiss add on soundcards, TVtuners, controllers, and other PCI niceties goodbye until PCI-E x1/x4 lanes take hold. But with a ~5% marketshare, you can't exactly muscle PCI-E to success.

and macs crash plenty. take my dad's G3 350, for example.. he's running OSX. it was in sleep mode, and just by waking the thing up, my brother managed to cause it to crash (and kernel panic, i think). wtf??


RE: Nickle and Dime me to Death
By Rayz on 1/23/2007 6:52:50 AM , Rating: 2
Sounds similar to my Mac. Sometimes refuses to wake up from sleep.


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