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The first HD DVD title to hit BitTorrent networks
The results of hacked HD DVD keys turn up as HD DVDs are released on the Internet

Late last year, a hacker claimed to have circumvented the copy protection scheme used to protect HD DVD and Blu-ray content. Just over two weeks after the news broke, the online pirate community is seeing the fruits of hacker labor with the first release of a full HD DVD available for download.

The first HD DVD movie released is Serenity, which weighs in at 19.6 GB. The file reportedly is available in EVO format and is playable with PC-based players such as PowerDVD at full 1080p resolution.

Other HD DVD movies have quickly followed with the release of Pitch Black at 21.37 GB, The Chronicles of Riddick at 24.94 GB and Batman Begins at 24.76 GB. All HD DVD movies released thus far appear to retain all aspects of the original discs, including various audio options and special features.

While PowerDVD is the software of choice to play the pirated releases, PowerDVD’s developer, Cyberlink, has publically stated that it believes that its software is secure and is not a part of the exploit in extracting the title keys used to decrypt HD DVDs.



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what's the point?
By Etern205 on 1/17/2007 5:04:17 PM , Rating: -1
If a user has a small size monitor
then won't be able to see it in true HD form
and to download a 19GB file?! How long will that
take? A week maybe if you get like a constant 1mb/s
connection rate and your machine needs to be on 24/7!
If HD DVD movies cost around $20bucks or so. I'll rather
buy it than download it. What if I download it and
it does not work! Will I get my wasted time back?
No, but if I buy it and it does not work, at least
I get to change it or get a refund. :)




RE: what's the point?
By Teletran1 on 1/17/2007 5:08:49 PM , Rating: 4
You don't have to sit there and watch it. Your wasting your own time if you sit there and watch downloads come in. Nobody should have to pay you for that.


RE: what's the point?
By raphd on 1/17/2007 5:09:11 PM , Rating: 2
its only a waste of time if you sit there every minute waiting.


RE: what's the point?
By puffpio on 1/17/2007 5:10:43 PM , Rating: 5
Well
With my comcast cable internet I get 6 Mbps download speed which in reality I've gotten about 700 KB/s which is even lower than your estimate! That's about 0.68 MB/s

If you have a 19GB file that is 19456 MB

so 19456 MB /(0.68 MB/s) = 28611 s = 7.9 hours..

so..you goto bed..wake up and it's downloaded!


RE: what's the point?
By CrazyBernie on 1/17/07, Rating: 0
RE: what's the point?
By puffpio on 1/18/2007 5:54:58 AM , Rating: 2
yeah I know...see how I lavled it 6 Mbps and not 6MBps..and then all the other calculations has them in Bps and not bps...I took that into account


RE: what's the point?
By Araemo on 1/18/2007 8:49:05 AM , Rating: 2
"With my comcast cable internet I get 6 Mbps download speed which in reality I've gotten about 700 KB/s which is even lower than your estimate!"

#1: You imply that 700KB/s is less than 6 Mb/s. (Ok, so 6Mb/s is technically 750KB/s, but whatever, close enough.)

#2: You imply that 700KB/s is less than the 1Mb/s in the original post you were replying to. (1 Mb/s is about 120KB/s.)

You may not have meant all that, but with the way it is written, I think most of us thought you were making the implications I pointed out above, which would show a confusion between bits and bytes in regards to data transmission speeds.


RE: what's the point?
By walk2k on 1/17/07, Rating: -1
RE: what's the point?
By mindless1 on 1/17/2007 10:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
You're in for a rude awakening if you think you could get that torrent at ~ 0.68MBps

Not that I'm advocating sharing these movies, but the general concept is you are a peer, you share 1:1 ratio. Your upload speed is what, 384K? Your going to choke your internet connection for several days just to get a movie a few months earlier that you'd end up being able to rent or see in person?

HD-DVD is such a waste of internet bandwidth not even considering the piracy issue. How you think your cable connection is going to fare if 10 of your neighbors have the same idea? Good luck getting online for the next few weeks.


RE: what's the point?
By CrazyBernie on 1/17/2007 10:54:28 PM , Rating: 3
That's interesting... I've never shared at a 1:1 ratio... keep in mind you're downloading from more than just one other user... I have my global upload limited to 25KB, and I never have a problem downloading files at over well over 300KB/s if enough users are seeding/sharing.


RE: what's the point?
By xsilver on 1/18/2007 4:48:06 AM , Rating: 4
you are what people call a "leech"

and probably a lot of people would wish bad things upon you ;)


RE: what's the point?
By Araemo on 1/18/2007 9:02:13 AM , Rating: 2
Of course, if he left his client on for a few weeks after he was done downloading, he might hit 1:1. ;P

I don't bother for some smaller files like webcasts and the like.


RE: what's the point?
By puffpio on 1/18/2007 5:55:58 AM , Rating: 2
I've gotten 700KB/sec speeds on torrents before.of course they were well seeded.

But if you have a good newsgroup server then you can do those kinds of speeds all day long


RE: what's the point?
By Araemo on 1/18/2007 9:01:13 AM , Rating: 2
I think you misunderstand the concept of the swarm and bittorrent.

You don't have to upload at your maximum speed, because A: You can continue uploading at a trickle for weeks or months after you're done downloading, and B: Many people uploading at a trickle together allow for fast downloads, this is the heart of bittorrent.

You can get your 1:1 ratio, it just takes time. Sometimes everyone who wants a given file has it long before you hit 2:1, let alone 1:1, but oh well? You don't HAVE to hit 1:1 for the swarm to be healthy, it just helps(especially in small swarms).


RE: what's the point?
By mindless1 on 1/21/2007 8:44:02 PM , Rating: 2
Invalid argument, you can't keep the swarm healthy if everyone d/l at max speed then only trickles for weeks or months (and frankly, I doubt most people will do it instead of quitting, if there were in the hurry to get the movie early by this P2P method then what about the next movie? At the trickle for months rate, several movies would be a cumulatively high u/l rate, they would have done better to share at a higher u/d ratio.

You do have to hit 1:1 for a healthy swarm, when it is seen as a whole, it is not an acceptible argument that one person can bow out of what everyone else would have to do. It wouldnt' be much of a problem if only one person littered in front of your house either but what if everyone did? No exceptions.


RE: what's the point?
By smitty3268 on 1/17/2007 5:19:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and to download a 19GB file?! How long will that take? A week maybe if you get like a constant 1mb/s connection rate and your machine needs to be on 24/7!

Actually, at that speed you could get 21GB in 48 hours. And getting files at 2.5x that speed isn't out of the question, which would lower it to around 19 hours. Still a long time but not completely unreasonable.
quote:
If a user has a small size monitor then won't be able to see it in true HD form

I would imagine they would connect their computer into a 1080p HDTV and get full quality. Otherwise there wouldn't be any point, would there?
quote:
What if I download it and it does not work!

That's what you get for not paying any money.
quote:
No, but if I buy it and it does not work, at least I get to change it or get a refund.

Well, I would certainly hope so.
quote:
If HD DVD movies cost around $20bucks or so. I'll rather buy it than download it.

I tend to agree - the only reason I would want to pirate this in the first place would be to stick it to the pro-DRM MPAA.


RE: what's the point?
By cubby1223 on 1/17/2007 9:27:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I tend to agree - the only reason I would want to pirate this in the first place would be to stick it to the pro-DRM MPAA.

Exactly. Here I was the only sucker among my friends who actually paid for the Family Guy movie instead of downloading it. And what was my reward? I am forced to watch an anti-piracy propaganda infomercial every time that, thanks to drm, cannot be skipped... Really makes me want to buy more dvds...


RE: what's the point?
By rtrski on 1/18/2007 8:19:09 PM , Rating: 2
You can avoid that if you either play it on a computer with the right SW blocking the 'user prohibition' commands, or just rip it to a computer and play it from the HDD.

That's what I do. I won't torrent or pirate; I buy what I watch. But I absolutely refuse to sit thru forced commercials, propaganda, or previews I didn't choose to watch.

That's what turned me on to HTPC's in the first place...


RE: what's the point?
By crleap on 1/18/2007 11:07:42 PM , Rating: 2
hey it's no worse than going to the theatre these days, spending $20 for tickets and $30 for popcorn, and having to watch 15 minutes worth of pepsi and vonage commercials before the previews even start. Where's our discount for the commercial time?


RE: what's the point?
By ghost101 on 1/17/2007 5:28:42 PM , Rating: 2
Something which is more likely is reencoding of HDDVDs. I mean very few people currently download full DVDs compared to 1/2 CD xvid/divx rips.

So i think you can expect xvid/divx files at 720p resolutions. Similar to the new trend in TV shows.


RE: what's the point?
By heffeque on 1/17/2007 7:04:48 PM , Rating: 2
Actually... "720re" is starting to flow on eMule and it looks and sounds GRRRREAT!


RE: what's the point?
By isaacmacdonald on 1/17/2007 9:04:59 PM , Rating: 2
Right you are. I've seen quite a few 720p x264 rips weighing in at about 1 DVD in size--they look quite good and don't involve ungodly amounts of time devoted to downloading.


RE: what's the point?
By Araemo on 1/18/2007 9:06:02 AM , Rating: 2
This makes me wonder - for the movies already released, what are they encoded in, MPEG-2 or H.264? I know *D-DVD supports both, and many of the first releases were in MPEG-2(What normal DVDs are encoded with, *D-DVD just uses a much higher resolution, which is why the files are so big)


RE: what's the point?
By CrazyBernie on 1/17/2007 6:18:07 PM , Rating: 2
19.6GB = 156.8Gb = 156,800Mb;
156,800Mb @ 1Mb/s = 2,613 Min = 43.5 hours

PC's in general have a higher resolution than TV's

Downloading in the background while doing other things = no wasted time, and no cost to the user.

Don't get me wrong; buying the movie is much easier. I usually recommend renting it 1st and buying if you like it (which is why I use Netflix).. but most people would rather not spend the money renting something they might hate.

Most store return policies forbid the returning of movies/software that has been opened. I know Best Buy will only exchange open software/movies for the same exact title, so you can't even get a different movie.


RE: what's the point?
By crleap on 1/18/2007 11:10:16 PM , Rating: 2
exchange it for the same title. you get a new wrapped up copy, then take it somewhere else like walmart with liberal return policies. they'll give you at worst a gift card for the price of the now-unwrapped dvd you take to them. who wouldn't use a gift card to walmart


RE: what's the point?
By hubajube on 1/17/2007 7:25:54 PM , Rating: 2
Nice stomp label BTW! Thanks! ;)


RE: what's the point?
By Suomynona on 1/17/2007 8:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
No one seems to be mentioning Newsgroups. I switched over from using torrents to newsgroups about 2 months ago and I haven't look back since. The nice thing about newsgroups is I get a constant, yes read that constant 1.65MB (Megabytes, not bits) per second. So downloading even a HD DVD will take me approximately three and half hours.

Oh and yes I have an unlimited connection subject to fair use. So far fair use equates to about 500GB per month....


RE: what's the point?
By CKDragon on 1/17/2007 10:25:46 PM , Rating: 2
In an ideal world, you would be modded down to -1 for breaking rule #1.


RE: what's the point?
By Hydrofirex on 1/17/2007 11:09:38 PM , Rating: 4
Don't talk about fight club...


RE: what's the point?
By xsilver on 1/18/2007 4:51:02 AM , Rating: 2
lol you talked about fight club too! ;)

btw - newsgroups cost $$ no -- kinda makes it even less financially incentive?


RE: what's the point?
By Araemo on 1/18/2007 9:09:25 AM , Rating: 2
That entirely depends on your ISP.

There are many for-pay newsgroup servers out there that are ISP-independant, but then you're back to being limited by your ISP's outbound connection. The reason so many newsgroups are fast is that the servers are inside your ISP's network, so you can often get the real wire speed of your connection rather than your fair share of your ISP's backbone connection to the intertubes.


RE: what's the point?
By Sunner on 1/19/2007 8:57:27 AM , Rating: 2
Or do like me, go Direct Connect.
A good peer will give me over 5 MB/Sec, but that's not needed since everything is split up into smaller files anyway, so for anything that's even remotely popular, getting ~10 MB/Sec is very realistic.

And yes, I do know the difference between Mb and MB.


RE: what's the point?
By Araemo on 1/18/2007 8:52:28 AM , Rating: 2
Even at 1Mb/s, that's only about a 44 hour download. I've done much longer downloads in my day(Not for a measely two hour movie, mind you, even one as good as Serenity), but it's hardly an issue. Even simpler if you use software on your computer to limit the download to around 500Kb/s, so that you aren't saturating your connection.. sure it'll take most of a week, but you don't have to sit there or even stop doing other things, so why do you care how long it takes? Just click download, watch it NEXT weekend. ;P


RE: what's the point?
By Mudvillager on 1/18/2007 10:57:19 AM , Rating: 2
Two and a half hour. That's what it would take for me and lots of others with a standard 24mbps ADSL connection.

24" and bigger monitors are getting cheaper by the day (looks like 24" will go below $500 this year). I have a Samsung 244T (24") and watching HD content looks absolutely awesome on it, much better than on our 32" LCD TV.
LCD TV's just mess with the picture so I easily prefer watching HD on my computer monitor.


RE: what's the point?
By MrBungle123 on 1/18/2007 1:15:14 PM , Rating: 1
This is good news for people that get off on filling up mulitple terabytes of hard drive space with stuff they never watch just to say that they have 7TB across 19 hard drives filled up with stuff they torrented.


"The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak." -- Robert Heinlein

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