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Surface-conduction electron-emitted displays continue to face delays

Due to an ongoing lawsuit between Canon and Nano-Proprietary, Toshiba may be forced to suspend development and manufacturing of SED, or surface-conduction electron-emitted display.

The pending lawsuit revolves around Nano-Proprietary's patent of the SED technology and its licensing with Canon, Inc.  Applied Nanotech, a subsidiary of Nano-Proprietary, licensed out their SED technology for Canon to manufacture exclusively -- not a Toshiba-Canon partnership.  

That didn't stop Toshiba-Canon from announcing production would start this past July, even though the joint venture did not have a production facility.  Japan Today reported earlier this morning the groundbreaking on the Toshiba-Canon SED facility will likely be delayed due to the legal battle between Toshiba-Canon and Nano-Proprietary.

The suit was filed in April of 2005 (PDF) with Nano-Proprietary seeking a declaratory judgment that the manufacturing of the SED by the joint venture of Toshiba-Canon, Inc. does not meet the details of the non-exclusive 1999 patent license agreement granted to Canon, Inc. by SIDT. SIDT changed its name to Nano-Proprietary shortly after the agreement was reached.

With billions in potential income resting on the outcome of the litigation, Toshiba and Canon, Inc. hope for a quick resolution.  A trial date has been set for May of '07, but the two companies are said to be discussing possible settlements. A motion to expedite the ruling was denied in November 2006.

During a press release on December 20, Toshiba America said the 55-inch SED demo would not be at CES 2007.  No official information was released about why the display was cancelled, but representatives from Toshiba stated in notes sent to appointment-only viewers of the demo that the delay was neither due to technical nor business-related issues.

Developers claim that the SED technology is able to deliver response times under a millisecond.  Another one of SEDs advantages include the ability to produce TV's over 40 inches in diameter that are only a few centimeters thick.  The big selling point for the SED is the power consumption is equal to about one thirds that of an LCD and can support full HD resolution (1,920 x 1,080 pixels).

Expected launch of the Toshiba SED was scheduled for the fourth quarter of 2007, but Toshiba President and Chief Executive Atsutoshi Nishida since stated that he wanted the company release SED displays in conjunction with the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

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RE: Hope it all works out in the end
By drebo on 1/2/2007 3:07:11 AM , Rating: 2
It's not about the reality of how LCD technology has progressed over the years anymore.

It's about how people think it's cool to complain about something that isn't an issue anymore because it was cool to complain about it when it was an issue.

Modern LCD panels do not have the latency/artifacting issues that prior generations have had. Heck, it's not even cost effective to get a CRT anymore. If you know what you're looking for, you can get a comperable size LCD with picture just as sharp and bright as a CRT and you don't have to pay much more. The space and power savings are well worth the extra few dollars. This is esspecially true with manufacturers like Dell. Their UltraSharp displays using Philips LCD panels have fantastic color definition and clarity and they're cheap as all getout. I normally sell them for around $250 for a 19". Last month, I sold 7 high-end NEC 19" MultiSyncs for only a little bit less. Picture quality was damn near the same.

In short, I usually ignore people who still complain about LCDs being "slow" or having bad picture.

RE: Hope it all works out in the end
By Live on 1/2/2007 6:45:15 AM , Rating: 2
Ignore this:

LCDs images delayed compared to CRTs ? Yes !
by Vincent Alzieu
Published on August 3, 2006

You could also ignore the fact that the top players use CRTs. It's not like these guys cant chose what to use:
Quake 4 Grand Final Set 1 Map 1: Toxic vs. Fatal1ty

RE: Hope it all works out in the end
By encryptkeeper on 1/2/2007 10:39:48 AM , Rating: 2
Damn, and all that lag on a monitor with 6ms response time. I think the best I've seen on an LCD is 2-4ms (I have a 4ms and I can play UT2k4 with no problems). That 2ms is a killer, but knowing Dell, that 6ms is probably a bit of a stretch.

By Daigain on 1/2/2007 1:23:52 PM , Rating: 2
Actully CRTs latency cant really be measured in millieseconds, the time it takes for the signal to travel. But then the Hz comes into play with a 75Hz screen anything below 8 or 12ms is just fraud because it does not matter how fast the signal gets there it still got to wait to be put on the screen.

By Runiteshark on 1/2/2007 9:43:27 AM , Rating: 2
Oh then I hope you can go ahead and buy me a nice 30" display or something comparable. The biggest issues I have had for LCDs for well, ever since they came out is resolution. Its not a matter of if its technically possible, its a matter of that manufacturers don't feel like doing something that would take a bit more effort to do (and still not make insane profits on it).

Of course, If you can point out to me a non-gigantic monitor that can display high resolution, and not have those sweet latency issues, then fine you won. Otherwise, I'll stick to my 21" CRT @ 2560x1920

RE: Hope it all works out in the end
By ttnuagadam on 1/2/2007 10:45:34 AM , Rating: 2
you obviously arent a gamer. as far as me or anyone else ive talked to, the MAIN problem with LCD's from a gamers perspective is lack of resolution options, video games dont always run great at an LCD's native resolution, and we dont all have 8800gtx sli

RE: Hope it all works out in the end
By drebo on 1/2/2007 1:56:11 PM , Rating: 2
On the contrary. I own a 20.1" LCD ($200 after rebate) with a 16:10 widescreen aspect ratio that plays 1080p very well. Games play at 1680x1050 through my 7900GT KO ($250 after rebate a year ago, < $250 stock now) without problem. Oblivion, no problem. DAoC, no problem. WoW, no problem. Brothers In Arms, no problem. Far Cry Ep:1, no problem. All of these games have a resolution option for 1680x1050, among many others.

You don't need an 8800GTX SLI to saturate 1680x1050. Hell, you don't even need a single 7900GT.

Like I said, the issues found on LCDs three years ago no longer apply. It's simply not "cool" to admit it. Something about melancholic tendencies, I'd wager.

By The Sword 88 on 1/3/2007 1:09:06 AM , Rating: 2
There are a lck of resolution selections on an LCD monitor but the response times are fine and artifacting is not a problem. I have a Dell LCD monitor and an LCD TV which both of which I game on and the only complaint is that the monitor does not look as good in nonnative resoltion.

RE: Hope it all works out in the end
By The Sword 88 on 1/3/2007 1:10:11 AM , Rating: 2
Oh and can you post a link to that 20.1 in $200 monitor that sounds like a sweet deal.

RE: Hope it all works out in the end
By drebo on 1/3/2007 1:31:00 AM , Rating: 2

That's the one I bought, because the following wasn't out yet. Like I said, there was a rebate.

That one's got even better specs, 5ms response, 1000:1 contrast ratio...doesn't get much better than that, particualrly for $200.

By Vertigo101 on 1/4/2007 10:27:39 AM , Rating: 2
I hate to burst your bubble here, but that monitor doesn't do 1080p, like your previous post claims.

By wuttuptae on 1/15/2007 7:45:30 PM , Rating: 2
Also note that the 5ms display can only display 262k colors (6-bits). I guess that's not so important for gamers? As far as gamers needing different resolutions, SED won't help with that since I believe it's a fixed resolution.

What SED will do is provide the best color reproduction, eliminate lag, show the blackest blacks, use less power, all in a flat panel. Sign me up!

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