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Licensing, confusion causes delays

AMD was expected to release its long awaited ATI RS690 integrated graphics chipset shortly after the AM2 launch in mid-2006. Since the AMD acquisition of ATI, the chipset has since been renamed to AMD 690. The AMD 690 chipset is currently in its A12 stepping, which is near final silicon. However, AMD has run into a slight delay with the AMD 690 chipset.

AMD is asking major members of the Chinese media to remove all references of the chipset in articles from their publications by Christmas day or be left out when it comes to review samples.

Motherboard samples based on the AMD 690 chipset were expected early next year. Manufacturers were expected to have motherboards ready to be shipped as early as January 2007. Nevertheless, it appears AMD is waiting until early February 2007 to launch the long-awaited and delayed AMD 690.

DailyTech has learned the further delay of the AMD 690 chipset is likely due to licensing issues regarding its HDCP implementation. While AMD possesses the proper licensing for HDCP support on several products, it lacks licensing for the AMD 690 specifically. This is because the HDMI consortium requires additional licensing fees per product in addition to the yearly fees AMD already pays for its HDCP-compliant products.

HDCP is just the tip of the iceberg. The AMD 690’s support for HDMI is also brought to question. Although the TMDS transmitter endowed AMD 690 variants will support HDMI with the proper external chips, AMD isn’t allowed to mention HDMI support without a license. Specific manufacturers anticipating to announce RS690 motherboards -- MSI, DFI and ASUS -- will still need valid licenses for HDMI, HDCP and Macrovision, as well as per-board validation. 

Recently, ATI came under close scrutiny with regard to false claims regarding HDCP readiness.  HDMI, HDCP and Macrovision need to be licensed on the chipset vendor and the motherboard manufacturer, and it appears as though AMD is hardpressed to repeat the mistake made by ATI last year.

Despite setbacks, ASUS is expected to have an AMD 690 based motherboard ready next month, though it will most likely lack HDMI and HDCP support.


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By chucky2 on 12/21/2006 4:47:20 AM , Rating: -1
What in gods name are you all doing over there????

You have 65nm CPU's that are not really any better than your 90nm CPU's, you have a joke of a competitor to Intel's quad core (which is a joke anyways, as basically an insignificant amount of users even come close to needing that power now vs. just getting a real workstation setup), and now you are allowing the one thing that could get you to have an actual edge over Intel on for the next 3 months at least - and one that reaches by far the majority of individual, education, and business users - you've/ATI totally screwed up!!!!!

When you go to the stores and see the scores of PC's and notebooks there, guess what, they should ALL be running some variant of 690. Had you all executed on that, vendors selling Intel would either be forced to equip a PC with Conroe and X3000 just to be somewhat competitve vs. an offering that would cost less to you, or vendors selling Intel would need to equip their PC's with a discrete graphics chip, would would drive the cost up. Either way, you win. It's the same story for education and business PC's, as their essentially the same thing.

Instead, what have you done?

P1ssed away what must be millions in chipset and system sales (because your CPU's with nForce 61x0 graphics don't compete with Conroe + X3000 nor the way lower priced Pentium D + discrete graphics) all because you can't float some initial ching in lisencing?

Unreal......please, start firing some people over there, someone needs a wakeup call it seems...

Chuck

P.S. Yes, I'm biased because I've wanted this to come out for so long, but, truly, take a step back and realize how much more competitive AMD would be in the integrated market (that's like the majority by far of system sales) if they had desktops and notebooks based on this chipset out SINCE JULY 2006.




By mino on 12/21/2006 5:32:28 AM , Rating: 3
Well, actually the single reason that kept our 100+ PC/server purchase go C2D was the lack of any competitive IGP platform.
Simply put, Intel does NOT have a competitive solution to RS485/SB600 or GF6150/NVS210 AMD flagships. And no, X3000 does NOT cut it.
We REQUIRE not only performance but also compatibility and issue-less drivers. Only ATI/AMD and NVIDIA can offer that at this time.

Also I would not put RS690 so high on the list of priorities as any bussiness or EDU organization shouls go purely to Intel SIP or AMD CSIP based solutions.

IMO until Q3 RS690 will be mostly retail thingie and AMD is pretty good is still having supply issues so anything to bring demand sky-high is bad as of now. At the end of Q1 it would be welcome, but not sooner.


By IntelUser2000 on 12/21/2006 11:30:21 AM , Rating: 3
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Well, actually the single reason that kept our 100+ PC/server purchase go C2D was the lack of any competitive IGP platform.
Simply put, Intel does NOT have a competitive solution to RS485/SB600 or GF6150/NVS210 AMD flagships. And no, X3000 does NOT cut it.
We REQUIRE not only performance but also compatibility and issue-less drivers. Only ATI/AMD and NVIDIA can offer that at this time.

Also I would not put RS690 so high on the list of priorities as any bussiness or EDU organization shouls go purely to Intel SIP or AMD CSIP based solutions.

IMO until Q3 RS690 will be mostly retail thingie and AMD is pretty good is still having supply issues so anything to bring demand sky-high is bad as of now. At the end of Q1 it would be welcome, but not sooner.


14.24: http://www.pconline.com.cn/diy/main/reviews/0611/9...

Preliminary RS690 benchmarks: http://forums.ocworkbench.com/bbs/ocworkbench-aaae...

Differences between 14.25 and earlier drivers for G965 http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/15/review_int...


When the drivers get complete with 14.27 at Jan 2007, or even getting good game support at later this month with 14.26(READ: T&L support, which it doesn't now). Everything will go to X3000's favor :D.


By Avalon on 12/21/2006 12:35:00 PM , Rating: 2
In both of your X3000 links, the X3000 system is using a faster CPU than the comparison system. You can't make any judgement based on that.


By IntelUser2000 on 12/21/2006 1:18:45 PM , Rating: 2
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In both of your X3000 links, the X3000 system is using a faster CPU than the comparison system. You can't make any judgement based on that.


Sure you can.

First: differences between two CPUs get muddy when looking at the differences between two graphics products. 2x is usual in 3D graphics card world, 10% is usual in CPU world.

Second: Nvidia products use integrated hardware T&L, while Intel products don't. Results?? Intel products will scale better with CPU while Nvidia will stay same. Ever wondered why 945G lost to both C51 and RS480 but not now?? Because the 945G now has a far faster CPU, and 945G scales with it, while ATI/Nvidia products don't. A side effect of software vertex shader.

We'll see what happens when G965 gets hardware T&L soon.

Even though G965 scales well with CPU, I figure out the difference between E6400 and E6700 that contributes to the G965 performance is half the actual performance difference between the two CPUs: around 15%


By chucky2 on 12/21/2006 1:57:52 PM , Rating: 2
I'd had a reply types up this morning, but I got the stupid timeout error and the response was lost...and I have no desire to go type it all again. Check out this link (there are others posted now) and you can see X3000 (with the .25 series driver) is not near as bad as you make it out to be:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chipsets/display/...

I will say though one major - at least for my use - detriment of the current G965 offerings is a complete lack of DVI or HDMI out. It's fr3@king 2006 and almost 2007 now Intel...you're supposed to be releasing boards with at least DVI, and ideally DVI/HDMI and D-sub...not JUST D-sub.

Chuck


By IntelUser2000 on 12/21/2006 5:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
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I will say though one major - at least for my use - detriment of the current G965 offerings is a complete lack of DVI or HDMI out. It's fr3@king 2006 and almost 2007 now Intel...you're supposed to be releasing boards with at least DVI, and ideally DVI/HDMI and D-sub...not JUST D-sub.


I think you need to put in a ADD2 card in it to work. Sucks you have to spend additional money to have full feature of the "free" integrated, but for HDMI, you need ADD2 card.

As for DVI, boards like these support it in certain configurations: http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/mq/mq_availab...

Oh wait, I am not sure whether it'll have HDMI even with ADD2 card, but I don't understand all the differences anyway.


By jackalsmith on 12/21/2006 10:05:20 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think you have any idea what 'Conroe' is.


By chucky2 on 12/21/2006 1:44:58 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry jackalsmith, I haven't been an Intel guy in the past so I didn't keep close watch on their naming scheme.

What I'm talking about is the Core 2 Duo's, such as the E6300, E6400, and E6600.

Did I get that right this time...I thought those were "Conro"'s?

Chuck


By JeffDM on 12/25/2006 3:07:18 PM , Rating: 2
I think you are correct, the current E-series Intel Core 2 Duo chips were code-named Conroe when they were in development. The X-series dual core is too, though the quad core desktop chip is Kentsfield, but it is still two Conroe dies into one package.


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