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Dell has a new 22" display with a fast 5ms grey-to-grey response time

According to reports, Dell is poised to release a new 22-inch wide-aspect LCD flat-panel. The new E228WFP has already shown up in Japan. The screen has a 1680x1050 resolution, which is typical for a screen around this size, although many recent ones are showing up to be capable of displaying images at 1920x1200.

As with recent displays, Dell is definitely showing off the speed of the new E228WFP, claiming a 5ms grey-to-grey response time.  DailyTech reported yesterday that BenQ announced a new line of gaming-oriented LCD panels with a grey-to-grey refresh time of 2ms, which BenQ said is the fastest in the industry.

From our own experience, LCD manufacturers have had issues maintaining color consistency and contrast while pushing LCD speeds -- assuming they tell the truth at all. Dell's 5ms grey-to-grey is in line with the manufacturer specifications of Samsung and LG.Philips LCD panels right now, and the company has a better track record of reporting VESA-standard specifications.

Other specifications of the E228WFP include:
  • Brightness: 300cd/m2
  • Contrast: 800:1
  • Viewing angle: 160-degrees
  • Price: approximately $560 USD
The new display also includes support for HDCP high definition content protection, which will make users looking forward to upgrading to Windows Vista, pleased.


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um...
By iwod on 12/15/2006 1:22:33 AM , Rating: 3
Have i misunderstood the statement ??

quote:
although many recent ones are showing up to be capable of displaying images at 1920x1200


I haven't seen a desktop monitor capable of displaying 1920 x 1200 @ 22" yet.




RE: um...
By Gigahertz19 on 12/15/06, Rating: 0
RE: um...
By peternelson on 12/15/2006 9:56:47 AM , Rating: 3
Why all the Dell coverage

Do they send out press releases or something?

Anyway HP have two new models very similar 21" and 22" widescreen at this 1680x1050 resolution. And although they don't feature it heavily the DVI inputs are HDCP capable.

The 22 incher is in stock in John Lewis department store in UK for £279 and the 21 inch was cheaper than that.



RE: um...
By cdrsft on 12/15/2006 7:24:55 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Why all the Dell coverage


Hrrm, Depending on how long you've been visiting Anandtech, you might have noticed that they "suddenly" started paying attention to Dell - reviews, news, etc... Any senior $ite visitors know what i mean


RE: um...
By peternelson on 12/16/2006 3:41:31 PM , Rating: 2
I've been reading anandtech/dailytech for quite a while now.

Dell monitor announcements seem to be covered, whereas new models from HP do not appear to attract equivalent coverage.

I'm just curious as to why that should be, since I have an HP monitor and I like it.


RE: um...
By kzrssk on 12/19/2006 5:14:17 AM , Rating: 2
I have a Latitude D820 with a 15.4" screen that runs 1920x1200. Hardly ever run it that high though as its hard on the eyes.


RE: um...
By BillyBatson on 12/15/2006 2:12:27 AM , Rating: 2
Gateway has had their 20.1 HD LCD computer monitor available for well over a year now that is capable of 1920x1080 and has component cables built in along with HDCP support i believe


RE: um...
By jkresh on 12/15/2006 3:53:59 AM , Rating: 2
gateways 21 and 22" displays are both 1680*1050 (though the did have an hdcp display before dell).


RE: um...
By jmunjr on 12/15/2006 2:18:24 AM , Rating: 2
If it isn't a true 8 bit monitor forget it. They are terrible, and if you can't tell the difference you're genetically inferior!


RE: um...
By otispunkmeyer on 12/15/2006 4:42:06 AM , Rating: 3
not so

this looks like it could be using that Chi-mei 6bit panel. but this panel differs from normal 6bit panels

most 6bit panels use nasty 2x2 dithering. this chi-mei 22inch 6bit panel uses Hi-FRC dithering to reach 16.7million colours.

this Hi-FRC technique is supposed to be very good, and only the most anal will notice any difference.

but ill agree 8bit S-IPS FTW!


BenQ
By casket on 12/15/2006 8:06:39 AM , Rating: 2
I've read that the "Benq monitor" uses a "Samsung Panel".

The Benq appears to be a 24". It has 1 good review at bit-tech.net




RE: BenQ
By casket on 12/15/2006 8:08:38 AM , Rating: 2
$800 at NewEgg


RE: BenQ
By casket on 12/15/2006 8:13:41 AM , Rating: 2
"FP241W"... hopefully we can get some more reviews... for this Barely Affordable, $800, Monitor that does 1080P Native.


RE: BenQ
By Bootstrap on 12/15/2006 10:36:48 AM , Rating: 2
There's a gigantic thread at HardForum with several reviews on this, if you're patient enough to wade through about 70 pages.

Also, to the first poster, the BenQ FP241W uses an AU Optronics panel, not a Samsung. Behardware reviewed the upcoming Z version of this monitor and concluded that it uses a Samsung panel, but BenQ has refuted this, saying it was a preproduction build and that all versions of this monitor will use the AUO panel. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news.htm#benq_auo


RE: BenQ
By Loc13 on 12/15/2006 8:50:31 AM , Rating: 2
check out the monitor in trustedreviews, they gave it very very high mark. But the review failed to mention the monitor's inability to do 1:1 pixel mapping, but i suppose the Nvidia or ATI control panel can force it to 16:9 when you're viewing movies.


oh make it 320x200 next time
By Visual on 12/15/2006 6:09:12 AM , Rating: 2
i hate that half-assed resolution
i'd prefer a 20" 4:3 1600x1200 anytime because of the greater pixel count, even if this one is physically larger

while it's true larger screens with fewer pixels are better for viewing from a distance, that's not what most people want from a pc monitor...




RE: oh make it 320x200 next time
By sviola on 12/15/2006 7:15:34 AM , Rating: 2
It is a widescreen monitor, that's why it has 1680 x 1050 resolution (16:10)


By ChugokuOtaku on 12/15/2006 8:24:24 AM , Rating: 2
really depends on what you do most with your machine.
For those of us who are multimedia oriented, the widescreen standard was what we've been waiting for all these years.

but if you really wanna go hardcore, just get multi-display.
get a 24" wide and flank it by two 20" 4:3, and you're set.


RE: oh make it 320x200 next time
By hubajube on 12/15/2006 12:07:44 PM , Rating: 2
I'd rather have a 4:3 monitor myself. I won't be watching movies on my PC monitor.


Reminds me of the Samsung 225BW
By Deputy Cartman on 12/15/2006 2:41:30 AM , Rating: 2
So it's basically a Samsung 225BW that is ever so slightly brighter and with a noticeably higher contrast ratio? The 225BW can be had for $380 plus S&H on Newegg, but knowing Dell, I'm sure this monitor will be subject to some insane deals when the planets are in proper alignment, heh.




By Hyperlite on 12/15/2006 9:11:07 AM , Rating: 2
yeah i don't think this one will go over to well. Now, if it was 8-bit that price they might have something going for them.


Cheap TN panel
By mobutu on 12/15/2006 1:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
It's a cheap TN 6-bit panel. It's obvious especially when you look at the viewing angles: 160. VA & IPS (with true 8-bit colour) has 178 ...
Also, regarding the 24 incher from BenQ, it has an AUO panel, not Samsung, and from January it will have 1:1 pixel mapping. The unit reviewed by BeHardware was a preproduction sample with (probably) Samsung panel.
Nec has also two new models, an 22 and an 26" ... the latter seems to be a very good one.




RE: Cheap TN panel
By BernardP on 12/15/2006 2:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
The Dell Australian web site

http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productde...

shows that the 22-incher is in the "E" line. Clearly marked as non-Ultrasharp. It has the same basic specs as all the other 22-inch widescreen panels out there.

It was inevitable that Dell would come out with a 22-inch widescreen, but I was hoping they would wait until a better panel is available. A 8-bit S-PVA would be fine with me.

I have looked long and hard at the equivalent Acer and Samsung models in stores, and unfortunalely, unless someone sits very far from the screen, I find the angle of vision is problematic in both axis, especially horizontally. At 18 inches viewing distance, if I place my eyes in front of the left edge of the screen, the right edge appears noticeably dark/yellow.

I like the 22-inch widescreen size because it has almost the same height as a 5:4 19-inch monitor, so it allows for added width without cutting on height. But 22-wide seems to be pushing the limit of TN panel tolerance for off-center viewing.

Also, I don't see how it can be competittive at the reported price of $US 560. It will have to be priced at much less, especially being part of the "E" line. It should not sell for more than the higher-quality (but smaller) 2007WFP, which retails for $399.


grammer... sorry :)
By crimson117 on 12/15/2006 3:22:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Dell's 5ms grey-to-grey is in line with the manufacturer specifications of Samsung and LG.Philips LCD panels right now, and the company has a better track record of reporting VESA-standard specifications.
When you use comparative terms like "better" or "larger" or "more expensive" you have to be comparing it to something. Better track record than who? Better than most in the industry, perhaps? Or simply better-than-average?




RE: grammer... sorry :)
By crimson117 on 12/15/2006 3:23:22 PM , Rating: 2
and of course I had to go and spell "grammar" incorrectly ;)


By BPB on 12/15/2006 10:53:04 AM , Rating: 2
The Gateway has all the inputs you could want (including component), HDCP, 4 USB ports, the DCDI by Faroudja, and other nice featurs. It doesn't have a great stand, but those can be had cheaply these days ($30 at Staples) and it doesn't look like the Dell stand is anything great. But the Gateway lists for $399.99. The only thing the Dell may have over it is a card reader, but I don't think it copies the 24" here. I like my Gateway 21" very much and would definitely get a 22" from them (but I'm hoping my next is a 24"). My daughter has the Samsung 20" 205BW and I like it very much too. So for me this Dell is simply too much.

Of course if you can get the Dell with the 15% off coupon it comes down to $476 and that changes things a tad...

Gateway 22": http://accessories.gateway.com/AccessoryStore/PC+A...




Typo
By HaZaRd2K6 on 12/15/2006 11:58:15 AM , Rating: 2
I believe that HDCP should read "High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection" and not "high definition content protection".




1080
By dmce on 12/15/2006 12:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
What is the deal with x1050? Shouldnt they be aiming for x1080 for true 1080p or am i missing a computer monitor related issue?




Get a Sceptre better than this
By AnotherGuy on 12/15/2006 3:09:16 PM , Rating: 2
Pff im sure its the same panel as used in the Sceptre 22inch Gamer.... 6 bit +2 Chi-Mei or smthn like that.... mine displays 16.7Million colors though and has a better viewing angle of 170 with hdcp and only costed me $337 from Costco

heres a link from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...




Moderated
By Pillow on 12/16/06, Rating: -1
Better be true color
By jmunjr on 12/15/06, Rating: -1
RE: Better be true color
By Loc13 on 12/15/2006 8:51:57 AM , Rating: 4
so if you cannot taste the difference between soy sauce and lite soy sauce, that would make you genetically inferior as well?


RE: Better be true color
By boardstrapd on 12/15/2006 5:42:46 PM , Rating: 2
If you think you are genetically superior for being able to tell the difference, you are actually chronically anal.


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