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Athlon 64 X2 gets the 65nm treatment

AMD today announced its long-awaited 65nm Brisbane core Athlon 64 X2 processors. This begins AMD’s transition to 65nm from 90nm. AMD expects to transition its complete product lineup to 65nm in mid-2007. Nevertheless, four Brisbane core Athlon 64 X2 processors are launching today—the 5000+, 4800+, 4400+, and 4000+. All 65nm Brisbane core processors are equipped with 2x512KB of L2 cache.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Brisbane 
L2 Cache
TDP Pricing
5000+ 2.6 GHz 2x512KB 65W
4800+ 2.5 GHz 2x512KB 65W $271
4400+ 2.3 GHz 2x512KB 65W $214
4000+ 2.1 GHz 2x512KB 65W

With Brisbane, AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual-core processors equipped with 2x1MB of L2 cache will become a thing of the past as AMD completes its 65nm transition. While AMD has announced its Brisbane core 65nm processors, the processors only available in limited quantities. Expect mass availability in Q1’2007.

OEMs are expected to deliver Brisbane powered systems as well. These OEMs include Acer, Dell, Founder, Gateway, HP, Lenovo, Packard Bell and TongFang. Dell is expected to adopt Brisbane 65nm processors in its Optiplex and Dimension desktops while Acer is expected to have Brisbane powered Aspire systems too.

Pricing for Brisbane 65nm processors start at $169 for the 4000+ and goes up to $301 for the 5000+ in quantities of 1000. Do note that Brisbane core processors are still K8 based and not K8L like the upcoming Stars core processors.

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im bitter
By anothercanadian on 12/5/2006 2:51:06 AM , Rating: 2
good for you, amd. maybe you could try making some 939's? seriously. you cannot get a 939 x2 in canada anymore. im so screwed, and bitter.

RE: im bitter
By cochy on 12/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: im bitter
By hadifa on 12/5/2006 6:59:29 AM , Rating: 5
Why would they want to do something silly like manufacturing discontinued products? lol

To meet all the demand available for better 939 CPUs. All the people who have a 939 system would be interested to upgrade and so there is a high demand for higher end 939 CPUs.

If you have a 939 system now and want to do a complete upgrade, then it makes more sense to buy a core 2 due instead of AM2, but if you only want to increase the performance and have a nice dual core processor with the least hassle and cost, then you need a high end 939.

RE: im bitter
By Cogman on 12/5/2006 7:28:55 AM , Rating: 2
It is a little irritating to see AMD switch from 939 to AM2 to Socket F (I think it is) all within the last 2 years. I bought one of my computers 2 years ago when Socket 939 was the way to go with everyone saying something to the effect "Don't go with Socket 754 because 939 will be the standard that AMD sticks with".

Really, I relize that More powerfull and newer Processing technologys require you to have a new Socket, But as far as I've read and understand the AM2 Platform Provides no preformance increase over simular Socket 939 Processors. Socket A, Where are you?

RE: im bitter
By Frank M on 12/5/2006 8:31:24 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'll be waiting at least until the next socket to upgrade from my 939.

RE: im bitter
By othercents on 12/5/2006 8:50:47 AM , Rating: 2
There definitely is a market for 939 processors. AMD is going to be doing a disservice to themselves by requiring people who have 939 motherboards to upgrade their equipment. Basically if you are 939 you need a motherboard, memory, and processor. If that is the case I would just go with a Core 2 at this point.

By producing one more high end 939 processor AMD would be able to string along 939 users for at least another year before they will need to purchase all new equipment. This would give AMD some time to come out with their latest killer processor.


RE: im bitter
By Frank M on 12/5/2006 11:04:56 AM , Rating: 3
Eh, it wouldn't affect me. I don't upgrade my processor every year, more like every three. It's more economically feasable to just build a new computer when I do. If trends continue though, I will be switching to Intel.

RE: im bitter
By othercents on 12/5/2006 12:14:53 PM , Rating: 2
I build computers for a cybercafe, so we usually upgrade processors, memory, and video cards every year and replace everything every 3 years. I use to do that at home, but I'm not gaming as much anymore. However I usually replace my home machine every 2 years.


RE: im bitter
By saratoga on 12/5/2006 2:52:23 PM , Rating: 3
There definitely is a market for 939 processors.

Just not one worth selling to.

AMD is going to be doing a disservice to themselves by requiring people who have 939 motherboards to upgrade their equipment. Basically if you are 939 you need a motherboard, memory, and processor. If that is the case I would just go with a Core 2 at this point.

AMD sells every chip they can make, so it really doesn't matter what you decide to do. Either way, they still sell out, so it literally makes no difference what current S939 owners do.

RE: im bitter
By mamisano on 12/5/2006 9:29:28 AM , Rating: 2
Since when is Socket F replacing AM2? AM2 will be going to AM2+ then AM3 over the next few years, and the original AM2 boards will be able to run AM2+ and AM3 processors but without support for some of the extra features.

I personally have an X2-3800+ 939 based system, two actually. And while I would like to see these newer processors available for 939, I understand why they are AM2 only. Its simple really, 939 has been DISCONTINUED.

RE: im bitter
By kamel5547 on 12/5/2006 12:19:42 PM , Rating: 2
Firstly socket AM2 is not transitioning to Socket F, Socket F is a server CPU socket designed to support things like fully buffered DIMMS, AM2 also provides support for "AM3" socket CPU's which is its successor (per AMD).

Secondly, AM2 was added only to provide DDR2 support. While it could ahve probably been done without a new socket, odds are more than a few people would have made the mistake of buying a DDR2 processor for their DDR1 board, switching the socket had no real impact as most peopel do not have a 939 board that supports DDR2.

No company sticks with a single socket for too long, and if they do odds are your motherboard stops supporting new processors and other technoligies (much like virtually every Intel board couldn't support Core 2 despite it beign the same socket). Personally I support changes in sockets as it helps to eliminate confusion about what board supports what CPU. As with Intel's current boards you ahve the issue that your socket will be the right type but not support the CPU, it would have been cleaner to just create a new socket type IMO.

RE: im bitter
By Donkeyshins on 12/5/2006 12:38:10 PM , Rating: 1
Opteron 165 / 170 / 175 in S939 is just as good as if not better than an X2 3800+ / 4200+ / 4400+ and is fairly reasonably priced (aside from the fact that any S939 chip will be overpriced since AMD is pushing AM2). If you are not ready to make the jump to AM2, then try and find a dual-core Opteron.

To be honest, though, if you need to go to the trouble of replacing your motherboard, why not just go with a Core2 Duo? Until AMD is out-performing Intel in the desktop arena again, it seems rather short-sighted and tactically foolish of AMD to abandon S939 and force folks to upgrade since performance-hungry customers (who aren't AMD fanboys) will be easily tempted by Intel's current offerings.

Apparently Santa (under the guise of my wife) is giving me a 175 to replace my 144. Ho. Ho. Ho. :-)

RE: im bitter
By Viditor on 12/5/2006 8:41:02 PM , Rating: 2
It is a little irritating to see AMD switch from 939 to AM2 to Socket F (I think it is) all within the last 2 years

Well, let's correct a few mistakes here...

1. AMD switched from 939 to AM2 after 2.5 years...that's pretty long by comparison!
2. AMD switched from Socket 940 to Socket F after 3.5 years...that's VERY long.

as far as I've read and understand the AM2 Platform Provides no preformance increase over simular Socket 939 Processors

Not QUITE true, but close enough...however, socket AM2 will allow you to use the K10 chips when they come out in the middle of next year. It's almost like buying a Socket 939 when it first came out...with some caveats.

1. There will be (rumour) a Socket AM2+ that will allow you to use HT 3.0 coming out in Q3 of next year. However the chips will still be compatable to the normal AM2 (just no HT3.0).
2. AM3 is due out in 2008 (using DDR3). However, it is rumoured that these will ALSO be compatable to AM2 boards (though of course you will be limited to DDR2 in that case).

While it's true that Socket A wasn't EOLed as quickly as 939 was, that's because Sempron was still on Socket A at the time.

BTW, while it's true that Conroe is still technically socket 775, remember that you had to upgrade mobos anyway in order to run it because of the voltage.

RE: im bitter
By elegault on 12/5/2006 7:53:12 AM , Rating: 1
RE: im bitter
By elegault on 12/5/2006 7:58:56 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry, X2's. seems to have 4600+ X2's and a bunch of Opteron's.

RE: im bitter
By Russell on 12/5/2006 10:34:33 AM , Rating: 2
Get an Opteron 165 (or better, if you're so inclined).

RE: im bitter
By kilkennycat on 12/5/2006 12:53:09 PM , Rating: 2
Er, the FX series of dual-core 939 is still available. See ZipZoomFly or Newegg. FX-60 is in stock @$458 (US) at ZZF.

RE: im bitter
By kleinwl on 12/5/2006 2:33:35 PM , Rating: 2
I'm bitter too about EOLing 939. I've got a single core with 2GB of ram and a EPOX 9NPA+ Ultra board. A simple processor upgrade costs $150 vs. a full on upgrade of over $450. My plan was to upgrade to dual core in a year...I can't afford to upgrade now... but 939 sockets may not be available later (say in 6 months). This is total B.S. I'm going to be basically stuck with single core until I chose to fully replace my computer... which is probably 3 years away still. ARRRG!!!

RE: im bitter
By RyuDeshi on 12/5/2006 2:56:13 PM , Rating: 2

RE: im bitter
By glennpratt on 12/6/2006 12:46:37 PM , Rating: 2
Get an Opteron. $150 and you set.

RE: im bitter
By MonkeyPaw on 12/5/2006 5:54:48 PM , Rating: 2
Well, AM2 and S939 CPUs have a different memory controller to handle their different memory formats and pinouts. AMD would have to shrink both versions of its CPUs to please the S939 audience. Shrinking the die of a discontinued architecture running on a dying memory standard would be a very poor business move. AMD is trying to supply a volume of cheap CPUs to OEMs to gain marketshare, and this is where a node shrink helps the most. That's why these aren't high end CPUs. Put your more-expensive-to-produce dies on your more expensive product lines.

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