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They can see us, read our emails, watch our IM conversations, and now even hear us whether we want them to or not

It seems as though George Orwell hit it the bullseye again when he wrote about Big Brother and the government's way of keeping track of the general public. It has been recently revealed that the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation has a way of tapping a cell phone and using the microphone to listen in on nearby conversations.

The method used for listening in on conversations held by alleged members of Cosa Nostra is called a "roving bug" and was ruled to be a legal method of wiretapping by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan. The bug was alledgedly used on two Nextel phones. It looks like all cellular phones are vulnerable to this sort of wiretapping according to CNet's findings:

The U.S. Commerce Department's security office warns that "a cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone." An article in the Financial Times last year said mobile providers can "remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call."

Kaplan further added that the functionality of the roving bug was in place even when the phone was powered off -- or at least when the phone looked to be powered off.  One possible method that the FBI used to tap into the two Nextel phones is by getting the network to install a rogue firmware update which gave the agency access to such features.

Such capability has long been rumored to exist in Motorola phones after it was discovered how the 9/11 terrorists used cellular phones to coordinate most of their activities.

Still there are some skeptics who believe that this method does not exist and that the FBI had to have physically planted a bug into the cellular phone to monitor conversations. But with the recent boom of PDA phones and devices that support custom software it was only a matter of time before hackers, or the government found a way to exploit similar features.


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RE: So?
By feelingshorter on 12/2/2006 6:48:58 PM , Rating: 0
You talk as though your not afraid but you are afraid. I'm not afraid of flying on an airplane. I'm not afraid of a terrorist blowing me up in a public area. Its people that almost give up anything, civil rights among them, to just stay alive. As for me, I believe there are principals that shouldn't be violated, otherwise life isn't worth living.

No this isn't the caveman days anymore. Suicide rates are higher than ever. You want to give up the very liberty this nation was founded upon. Once broken, it is hard to put together again. There is no "government" and us. There is only the very rich and us. The FBI agents don't care about your measly conversation! FBI agents aren't rich. Its the rich people who is running the country that will want to listen to your conversation. WHY? Unless you've been living under a rock all these years, realize the rich want to be richer. More Haliburton, World Comm, and Enrons will happen. No bid contracts, and scamming the average Americans out of their life savings.

Sorry buddy but this is a matter of principal. Know that the FBI has been known to do illegal things ALREADY. Even before the Patriot Act, the FBI have been doing illegal things that are now only made legal by the Patriot Act. Whats so big about making it legal then? Well, why dont you just give people a license to break the law? If it is illegal, they will only violate the law sparingly.

Live your life without fear. Short sightedness. I fear the scums like Enron and World Comm more than the terrorists. Seriously, even though I live in American, I can see that we are supporting a ton of Jews in Israel against our best interest. Its people that say "im not afraid to give up a little bit of my rights," those people are the ones that are themselves very afraid.


RE: So?
By yacoub on 12/2/06, Rating: -1
RE: So?
By feelingshorter on 12/3/2006 2:08:19 AM , Rating: 2
Well this is off topic but i must respond. Last time I herd on the news, an Israeli soldier can kill innocent people and get only two weeks detention. Last time I herd the news, the ambassador from Israel was caught lying. No buddy, if there is an animal that wants to hurt you, I question why we are putting it in a cage. You speak of religion as though Muslims is the only violent religion? Crusade? If you read the bible, it says that everyone who doesn't believe in it will go to hell.

The Jews have committed just as many atrocities as the Muslims. What I'm trying to say is that privacy is necessary for our safety, and not the other way around. I don't want anyone disappearing after discovering the "truth." Whatever that may be. There are tons of conspiracy theories about there how Jews are controlling this country and such. Lets agree to disagree but I feel privacy protects us more than the other way around.

Like I said, if there is a terrorist that the FBI needs to monitor, they will do it illegally anyways. What I don't want is some Enron or a World Comm witness disappearing and such.


RE: So?
By Chillin1248 on 12/3/2006 3:27:07 PM , Rating: 3
I hope you can put your money where your mouth is.

I live in Israel, and there is no law that says a Israeli soldier who kills a innocent person gets two weeks.... So maybe he didn't kill someone innocent, except to your political viewpoint? And which Israeli ambassador was lying about what?

Please show me all the "atrocities" the Jews have committed, I want some hard facts here, cause I have a very long list starting off with recent atrocities the Muslims have done to the Christians and other Muslims here in the Middle East just recently:

http://www.gotc.org/black_page/black_page.htm

Or how about we take just three (3) simple days in Israel in populated civilian centers, sounds nice doesn't it? Not if your "peace loving 'Syria Palistina' friends have anything to say about it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wkr7QBmBFyM

But I guess you have lived under the threats of rocket attacks and everything and fully comprehend the situation here don't you?

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Chillin





RE: So?
By rykerabel on 12/4/2006 3:10:25 PM , Rating: 4
so, when a car bomber bombs your guards, its a good idea to demolish peoples homes?

terrorist reaction to a terrorist act. you are no better than your enemy.


RE: So?
By nunya on 12/3/2006 2:44:34 AM , Rating: 4
I was with you 110% until you brought race into it, then you lost all credibility.


RE: So?
By MobileZone on 12/3/2006 9:15:43 AM , Rating: 3
Even worse. He's not talking about race, he's talking about religion and beliefs. That's ignorance to the extreme.

By the way, this phone tapping thing looks like old USSR, communism, anti-democracy and so on. A few years more and the US will be as democratic as China.

Congratulations!


RE: So?
By mino on 12/3/2006 7:16:43 PM , Rating: 2
He was citing facts. Dot.

We may not like them, but that US heavily sponsors Israel(which IS a Jewish state whether we like it or not) IS a fact.

That this sponsoring does NOT benefit US is a fact.
That this sponsoring has its reasons, some of them undisputed is a fact.


RE: So?
By Chillin1248 on 12/3/2006 11:41:23 PM , Rating: 5
Fact 1:

Israel recieves $3 Billion a year in both Military and Economic aid. Saudia Arabia recieves $3 Billion a year just in military aid alone.

Fact 2:

U.S. gets no returns on aid to Saudia Arabia. Aid to Israel gets returned in the form of technology. Ever heard of Raytheon? Guess where that new Anti-Missile laser was developed? Guess who gave NATO the first look inside a MiG-21? Or how about all the details on the T-xx series of Russian tanks? Now name me one return from Saudia Arabia that you know of?

The U.S. sponsors a country like Saudia Arabia far in excess of Israel, yet I don't see you complaining about them; guess your second paragraph says why, cause they are not Jews while Israel is.

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Chillin


RE: So?
By mino on 12/3/2006 7:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't read second part of your post ...

Yes it does look EXACTLY like the policy our gov(Czechoslovakia) forced on its citizens in the 50's. Even the arguments - "imperialist agents" (now "terrorists"), "its for your protection"... - were pretty much of the same kind.

FIY it took the society 15!!! yrs to become aware of the direness of the system.
And another 30!!!yrs(AND with external help) to get rid of the system.
Also _average_ education level in the population was higher than is in the US now(no offence, just a fact).
Also no such effective systems as FoxNews were available to the gov back then...


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