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Wii works wonders while we work Wimbledon
Gamers getting more exercise than they bargained for with new Nintendo console

A generation after "Nintendo Thumb" became the popular ailment among young gamers, Nintendo's new Wii console has quickly - and painfully - ushered in a new series of aches, pains, and general malease.

The Wall Street Journal, and postings all over the Internet, are reporting that a large number of Wii players are getting a decent workout from swinging the Wii's motion-sensitive controller around their living rooms, and paying the price the next day. Given that the included Wii Sports with the console encourages players to mimic the motions of real athletes, it's not surprising that players would "hurt" themselves in similar fashions - sore backs from bobbing and weaving in boxing, aching shoulders from playing baseball, and of course, tennis elbow.

Rochester, Minnesota resident Jeremy Scherer found himself "using muscles I hadn't used in a while" during a three-hour session of Wii Sports with his wife. Thankfully Mr. Scherer's wife fared better than the fiancée of a New York resident who received the business end of a Wii Remote during a game of tennis with her betrothed. The family dog also suffered a bump during a spirited frame of bowling.

While gamers may be complaining amongst themselves and to others, Nintendo hasn't heard anything directly. "If people are finding themselves sore, they may need to exercise more," says Perrin Kaplan, a Nintendo spokewoman, adding that it is possible to play Wii games without leaving the couch.

Various videos of Wii players "getting into the game" are available at Nintendo's website for those reader who aren't lucky enough to own a Wii themselves.



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with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By UnFaZeD on 11/28/2006 4:41:27 AM , Rating: 4
what else do you expect.




RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By otispunkmeyer on 11/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By marvdmartian on 11/28/2006 9:12:56 AM , Rating: 5
Yeah.......I'm pretty sure most everyone else has other stuff planned for that 2 hours per day, etc. Consider yourself lucky that you had the time, as most folks would love a way to stretch their day out longer, just in order to get an extra 2 hours. Different priorities, different schedules, ya know?

quote:
bastard remote doesnt even weigh anything...how can you get a good work out from it

Hmmmm.....people do aerobics all the time, using nothing but movement of their bodies....yet they get a good workout from that, don't they? It's simply using muscles they don't normally use, or in a way they don't normally use them, that causes them to get sore. Are you telling me that when you first started swimming, you were just as good, and were able to swim just as far before being fatigued, as you were after a year??

Please think before you make statements like you did, won't you??


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By otispunkmeyer on 11/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By jkostans on 11/28/2006 3:15:35 PM , Rating: 5
Wow you love yourself way too much.


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By Ardan on 11/28/2006 6:24:15 PM , Rating: 1
Ha, I agree with that statement too.


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By bobsmith1492 on 11/28/2006 6:00:55 AM , Rating: 1
2/3, eh? Yeesh, watch enough Michael Moore, do you?


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By Spivonious on 11/28/2006 10:21:33 AM , Rating: 1
From the American Obesity Association (www.obesity.org)
"Approximately 127 million adults in the U.S. are overweight, 60 million obese, and 9 million severely obese."

According the 2000 census, there are 200,948,641 people over the age of 19 in the U.S.

69 million/200 million = 34.5% obese
196 million/200 million = 98% overweight or obese

Frankly, the Wii will hopefully get people saying "Wow, tennis is fun. Maybe I'll go outside and actually play it."


By Kyteland on 11/28/2006 11:42:54 AM , Rating: 2
"Approximately 127 million adults in the U.S. are overweight, 60 million obese, and 9 million severely obese."

You did your math wrong. Those numbers aren't additive and 98% is an absurd number. Are 1 in 50 people that you know at or under a normal weight? I would hope not. From the site you posted:

"Currently, 64.5 percent of U.S. adults, age 20 years and older, are overweight and 30.5 percent are obese. Severe obesity prevalence is now 4.7 percent"

60 million/200 million = 30.5% obese or severely obese
127 million/200 million = 64.5% overweight or obese or severely obese


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By Clever7Devil on 11/28/2006 11:51:53 AM , Rating: 5
I read this site daily (go figure) and I have never felt the need to make an account.

Today however, I just couldn't let your comment go by.

You try to defend a BS statistic by creating new, and far more spurious, BS numbers. Let me help.

According to your numbers:

127 million American adults are overweight.
60 million of those 127 are obese
9 million of those 60 are severely obese.

Unless of course I'm wrong and "Severely Obese" people are not also "Obese," and "Obese" people are not also "Overweight."

60 million/200 million = 30% Obese < 1/3

I'm not arguing America's laziness, it just hurts me to see such a poorly formed argument presented so matter-of-fact.


By peternelson on 11/28/2006 2:45:59 PM , Rating: 2
I think the original 2/3 ish poster was confusing "obesity" with "overweight" and that was the statistic he referred to.

Neither are good.

Such categories are fairly arbitrarily defined by the medical profession anyway. Plus although body mass index (BMI) is easy to calculate, it is not really an accurate model of the ideal height/weight relationship because of nonlinearity.


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By Wwhat on 11/29/2006 1:46:11 PM , Rating: 2
Meanwhile you all seem to think wii only has players over the age of 20? now that's surprising.


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By MrCoyote on 11/28/2006 10:18:53 AM , Rating: 2
BAD D-PAD DESIGN
I wish Nintendo would fix the poor D-PAD design. It hurts my thumb! They should've used a design like the Microsoft Gamepad and XBOX, where the D-PAD is circular. Much more ergonomic and easier to control than the harsh 4-position D-PAD they currently use.


By Jackyl on 11/28/2006 10:21:02 AM , Rating: 2
I agree Bad directional pad. Trying to do combo moves in some games is terrible.


By GhandiInstinct on 11/28/2006 12:52:14 PM , Rating: 3
"Today's top story on CNN, five hundred over weight children have died from heart attacks, speculations are that a mysterious white box with a remote control and min-joystick are to blame, more information as it comes."


RE: with 2/3rd of the country obese...
By AstroCreep on 11/28/2006 2:00:45 PM , Rating: 4
Hell, I'm gonna get a Wii just to whoop my a$$ into shape! :p

Hmm...maybe this was Nintendo's idea all along - "Sweat fat American children!"


By peternelson on 11/28/2006 2:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
It's cheaper to get a ps2 with an eyetoy camera.

Those games can in some cases use your whole body movements not just your upper torsea. (eg kick football, kungfu).

You can reach for burgers etc.

And none of it holding any controller so no rsi in the hands.

It's say eyetoy can burn more calories than wii.

Also I'm amazed that 127/200 million americans are "overweight".

IANAMD


Hey, after all these years
By rupaniii on 11/28/2006 9:26:37 AM , Rating: 4
Look, "PLAYING NINTENDO" pissed all of our parents off. Except for the old running pad for the cross country and olympic game, and the ill fated (sitting here in a box) Sega Activator, Nothing aside from DDR and Guitar Hero (to an extent) got us off our arse.

Now, "Playing Wii" doesn't mean finding the lube, it means getting off your arse and and flailing around a set of controls in the air and having exceptional control over what is on screen, making minute and acute adjustments in positions and movements and moving all around to play the game.

Point: Nintendo finally got the tech to make interactive gaming happen, and packaged it in what looks like a Panasonic remote control. Sony rips them off this generation, and puts the SIXAXIS out. But, Sony's got no Nunchuku.
Nintendo's gamers are about to be less winded, a little more fit, and probably buy more games because they will have alot of energy to play their games and have more fun with them. Sony's gamers will go fly a Kite. (Warhawk).

I think Nintendo's got something here, and what's to keep them from releasing a Wii compatable system in 3 years which is more powerfull than these other two and playing a trump card... at a $249 price. You'd have bought 2 Nintendo systems cheaper than a PS3.

Hmmm...




RE: Hey, after all these years
By Saist on 11/28/2006 12:07:18 PM , Rating: 2
Nice to see I wasn't the only one to catch that... As the Wii is appearently 100% compatible with the Gamecube (I've not heard any reports of the Wii not working with Gamecube games), and given that Nintendo may re-address gaming in quote "Hi Definition" in the future... it may be that they'll have a "Wii-2" on tap.

Of course, my question is, when did we stop talking about Polygons and start talking about Resolution. I'm pretty sure that the two aren't really related. I can run an old Radeon 7500 at 720progressive output. Won't be able to play any games at the rendering rate though :)

The only problem with a "Wii-2" that I can see is that some developers may create games without a Wii compatibility mode, creating a situation similar to the Sega Genesis / SegaCD / Sega32x. Remember when you had 3 different games that all used the base system, but some required that add-on? That didn't work for Sega, and there is no way Nintendo has forgotten that.

Anyways, I think Nintendo may keep the option open to release a Wii console that will allow a higher resolution display with higher amounts of AA and AF, but don't think that will translate into games with more polygons or smoother curves.


RE: Hey, after all these years
By msva124 on 11/28/2006 9:50:54 PM , Rating: 2
I know, really. Higher resolution is a poor substitute for more polygons. In fact it can make things worse by showing off graphical limiations.


RE: Hey, after all these years
By drebo on 11/28/2006 2:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed. There is nothing bad about the Wii in terms of family fun and exercise. The first day I got the Wii(launch day), I spent close to 8 hours playing with my girlfriend, her siblings, and my siblings. My girlfriend has never touched a video game in her life outside of Spider Solitaire or Freecell, but she was jumping around the room like a bainshee playing Tennis and Boxing. She jogs every day, and even she got a work out. For the next two days, we were ALL sore. We've since learned to stretch and moderate our playing a little, but it's still a great workout.

And it's ENORMOUSLY fun, as well. Even my mother, who has never approved of a video gaming console, finds the Wii intriguing.

Whatever the nay-sayers will say, the Wii is a revolutionary console that IS changing how we play video games. Hopefully these kinds of improvements will continue.


Let the Lawsuits Begin
By Dalceon on 11/28/2006 8:28:49 AM , Rating: 5
Fat Bastard vs Nintendo
Fat Baster Alleges: After playing the Wii for 10 minutes, I had a heart attack and almost died.

My Ruling: Case dismissed. Same thing would have happened the next time you walked up the stairs. Get out of my courtroom!!
********************************
Lazy SOB vs Nintendo
Lazy SOB alleges he developed carpel-tunnel after playing the wii over a period of three months.

My Ruling: Case dismissed. Carpel-tunnel probably a result of life long masturbation. Get out of my courtroom!!






RE: Let the Lawsuits Begin
By Gooberslot on 11/29/2006 5:04:27 AM , Rating: 2
You must live in a sane world. Must be nice. In the real world Fat Bastard and Lazy SOB would probably win because as we all know, no one is really responsible for themselves anymore.


Wii
By msva124 on 11/28/2006 5:05:03 AM , Rating: 2
Is it just me or does anyone else think the Wii is going to do extremely well? It sort of harkens back to the old NES days when games were simpler and had a broader appeal.




RE: Wii
By Saist on 11/28/2006 12:23:19 PM , Rating: 3
Most of the analysis from people with careers inside the game industry point to Nintendo's console outselling the Xbox 360 this Christmas, and continuing on to become the most popular game console in the house (The Playstation 3 is hardly up for consideration with it's launch).

The high points are the low overall cost of the console, the cheaper games, and the lived up to hype on Motion Sensing.

Then there are the developers, nearly every single developer out there wants to work with the Wii console, for example, Sony Hardliner Hideo Kojima, who I quote from Game Informer

quote:
Of course. For Wii, I really want to do it. The biggest stres or disappointment I have now is that I can't work on new things on Wii right away, but I have MGS4 and MGS: Portable Ops that I have to finish. When I went to Nintendo's [E3] party, Mr. Miyamoto came up to me and said "Aren't you creating for the Wii?" And I said, "Yes, I really want to, but I can't."


So, as is, the only developer who has openly spoken against the Wii was/is the creator behind Katamari Damacy, and his reasons sounded more like marketing speak than anything else. So.. gamers can be fairly assured that the Wii will have a steady supply of games, and unique games as the great developers we already know stretch their creativity.

The third factor that can be shortly listed is the targeted market. One of the reasons why the DS completely blitzed the sales numbers of the PSP in the handheld market was that the DS could attract more than just the gamer interested in the GBA. You didn't have people just buying the latest Mario game supporting the DS, you had people buying Nintendogs and the Brain training game. The Wii, in a similar manner, is more than just for the average gamer. Considering CrossWords or Word Game puzzles, with the Wii, you could actually do them now on a TV by pointing at a square and then drawing the letter or number in the air.

So, the quick analysis is the price, the developers, and the potential markets. So yes, the Wii will do very well.


wii remote isnt new
By rika13 on 11/28/2006 7:57:07 AM , Rating: 1
i see nobody remembers the old power glove and u-force controllers, the wii remote is just the newest incarnation of this




RE: wii remote isnt new
By Spivonious on 11/28/2006 10:25:13 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, but the Powerglove deserves its place next to the Virtual Boy in gaming history. The Wii remote has taken gaming to the next level and in the next generation every console will have something similar.


RE: wii remote isnt new
By imaheadcase on 11/28/2006 11:20:21 AM , Rating: 2
Don't you mean that Twister pad you ran on the floor with? Its like a Twister pad you had to run on it to go up hills or whatever game it was on screen. Now THAT was tiresome no matter who you were. lol I still remember running on that thing.


Excellent!
By leidegre on 11/28/2006 5:58:32 AM , Rating: 1
No you can workout and have fun at the same time, even tough these new might seem 'bad', I say it's good that people get active while interactive! One step closer to true virtual reality!

Go Nintendo!




RE: Excellent!
By Schrag4 on 11/28/2006 9:23:02 AM , Rating: 3
"No you can workout and have fun at the same time..."

I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, I think having fun is the best way to get a work out. Sure, I could go running several miles each day, but I find it boring. Now basketball, on the other hand, is so fun that I can play for 2 hours and not even realize how much of a workout I've gotten until it's over and I'm aching.

Oh, and yeah, those of you in tip-top shape shouldn't be making fun of gamers who get stress injuries from the Wii. Everyone gets stress injuries when they first start exercising, especially if they overdo it (which gamers tend to do when they play). I used to run a lot, but when I tried to start back up a few months ago I gave myself tendonitis in my knee because I started with too many miles per day.


Boxing
By Narutoyasha76 on 11/28/2006 7:25:07 AM , Rating: 2
I can just imagine a bunch of drunk college students playing Nintendo Wii Sport's boxing...very painful. As for the people complaining about sore muscles after playing, well, good for them for it means they are actually using those muscles for once.




RE: Boxing
By encryptkeeper on 11/28/2006 12:47:26 PM , Rating: 2
But it would sure be fun to watch.


I have long forseen this
By AnnihilatorX on 11/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: I have long forseen this
By encryptkeeper on 11/28/2006 12:34:18 PM , Rating: 2
Alright annihilatorx, just stop talking about crap you have no idea about. I've already logged about 30 hours on my Wii and in that time the controller has never even come close to coming out of my hand. I don't even use the wrist strap. How is Nintendo responsible if I throw something at the screen of my TV? Say I was playing football in the house, and I overthrow and hit my TV. Does that mean I can sue the football manufacturer? No it doesn't.


RE: I have long forseen this
By Wwhat on 11/29/2006 1:52:04 PM , Rating: 2
Sure you can in america, they forgot to put on the ball 'do not use indoors' you say? you got a suit right there!


Hmmmm...
By bplewis24 on 11/28/2006 1:00:34 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
"If people are finding themselves sore, they may need to exercise more," says Perrin Kaplan, a Nintendo spokewoman


...Sound familiar, anyone? Reminiscent of a certain somebody (who shall remain nameless) that uttered something in the form of "if it's too expensive...you should just work more"? I seem to recall people throwing a pretty big fit over that one. I guess there's no double standard here though, huh?

Anyway, back on subject of the article, this is to be expected. It's no so much that the users are fat/obese/out of shape, it's more than likely that they are using muscles and movements they normally don't use on a daily basis. And yes, I'm sure lots of them are out of shape as well.

The same thing would happen if you went out to play tennis or bowling for the first time in a few months. Certain muscles would be a bit sore. This issue doesn't concern me, it's actually what any Wii owner should be anticipating.

What I'm much more interested in are the articles about damaged TVs and flying Wiimotes. I'd like to know how many of these cases are actually true and how much of it is made up/propoganda.

Brandon





RE: Hmmmm...
By boardstrapd on 11/28/2006 3:42:30 PM , Rating: 3
No, not even close to a double standard. Exercising more is beneficial to your health. It's perfectly ok for someone to suggest that people should exercise more. I'd guess that doctors tell people that alot.
Who in their right mind, except for whoever it was that you anonymously quoted, would tell someone they need to work more?


RE: Hmmmm...
By bplewis24 on 11/28/06, Rating: 0
By SaltBoy on 11/28/2006 8:02:14 AM , Rating: 3
This article sounds like something you'd find on The Onion... <sigh>




wow i so called it
By Ckilla on 11/28/2006 9:03:04 AM , Rating: 2
btw it's not that ppl are fat and lazy, well maybe, but if I want to play tennis and get sore I will go play it in real life (has the best graphics) not go play it on a tv with bad graphics in a controlled environment. if you ask me WII players are the lazy ones.




RE: wow i so called it
By otispunkmeyer on 11/28/06, Rating: -1
RE: wow i so called it
By Wwhat on 11/29/2006 2:03:18 PM , Rating: 2
Why do you hope that? what's it to you if they play real tennis?


It's not hard to believe
By Avalon on 11/28/2006 9:24:08 AM , Rating: 2
Just because you're swinging a remote around doesn't mean you can't get sore. Have you tried playing baseball for 1-2 hours straight for a few days back to back?

If you actually play the pitcher like you're really pitching and trying to throw good, fast pitches, your arm will get sore (unless you ARE a real pitcher).

I haven't had any problems with tennis yet, and I play that one like a fiend. BTW, I'm not overweight nor out of shape.




RE: It's not hard to believe
By otispunkmeyer on 11/28/2006 11:27:25 AM , Rating: 1
you make a good point that if you play as you would in real life your going to get close to the same work out.

but there'll be people who realise a swift flick of the wrist achieves the same end result and thats the method they'll use becuase its easier and doesnt require effort.

as long as they understand theyre getting zip all from it then thats their hard luck.


Honestly
By Hare on 11/28/2006 8:01:35 AM , Rating: 2
If you are getting sore from playing a console you should drag your butt outside more often !

Let's see how many days it takes for someone to sue Nintendo for causing them back ache...




Cry me a river people
By encryptkeeper on 11/28/2006 12:31:04 PM , Rating: 2
Well before the game starts they do warn you to be careful not to hit anything. I make sure to sit as far as I can from my girlfriend when she plays the Legend of Zelda. This isn't any different from people going outside and playing real tennis, or anything that you play in close quarters while moving quickly like football or basketball. Someone is bound to get poked in the face or shoved down on the ground or kicked in the shin. The Wiimote is just another way to enjoy sports, especially on rainy days.




This is totally....
By ira176 on 11/28/2006 5:01:45 PM , Rating: 2
Hilarious!!!




Realistic
By Newspapercrane on 11/28/2006 6:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
With more and more demand for 'virtual reality' type games, this sort of thing is bound to happen.




Exercise more is the solution
By Christopher1 on 11/29/2006 3:11:54 AM , Rating: 2
Like the guy says from Nintendo, if you are getting injuries from playing with your new Wii and the body movements you have to make, time for more exercise.




I
By Wwhat on 11/29/2006 1:54:56 PM , Rating: 2
I got injuries hitting my keyboard in anger at cheaters in online games, it's not just wii that give you 'exercise injuries' it seem then eh.





i knew this would happen
By otispunkmeyer on 11/28/06, Rating: -1
RE: i knew this would happen
By Aikouka on 11/28/2006 8:41:08 AM , Rating: 2
That's just not correct.

These players desire to play in a more athletic and immersive manner, but they simply forget that just because they're playing a virtual game doesn't mean it's a virtual workout. With a lot of strain injuries, you tend to get them if you jump into the action when your body is still stiff and limber... ya simply gotta stretch before you jump into "the game" if you're going to turn it into a work-out (whether intended or not).

Also, tennis elbow isn't a fun thing to have, let me tell you... after playing tennis for a while, just thinking about swinging a racquet makes my elbow hurt. I guess I'm kind of glad I didn't try my brother's Wii Sports Tennis then :D.


RE: i knew this would happen
By spwrozek on 11/28/2006 3:30:34 PM , Rating: 2
I get tennis elbow when I play tennis a lot. I have played enough Wii tennis in the past week to give me tennis elbow if I was actually playing tennis. I am fine though. I don't think that you will get tennis elbow from the Wii. Since you are not actually hitting the ball there is not stress put on the elbow. Plus you don't have to swing hard at all.


RE: i knew this would happen
By kmmatney on 11/28/2006 7:03:33 PM , Rating: 2
The key to getting rid of tennis elbow is to use a heavier, flexible racquet. Too many new racquets are light and stiff, which gives great power, but is terrible for the arm. Most pros (Men at least) use heavier and flexible racquets - Federer's is one of the heaviest and most flexible you can buy. There is a website that ranks racquets based on their "arm-friendlyness": http://www.racquetresearch.com/


RE: i knew this would happen
By peternelson on 11/28/2006 7:41:28 PM , Rating: 2
"players desire to play in a more athletic and immersive manner"

Agreed.

However, I think the non-console game "TWISTER" has that covered ;-)


RE: i knew this would happen
By Etsp on 11/28/2006 10:10:11 AM , Rating: 1
I guess you really are lazy... The Wii came out on the 19th of november, that makes it 9 days old. 9 days < 2 weeks.
2 weeks <= "a few weeks" maybe if you werent so lazy, you might actually look up the facts about the provable (or disprovable in this case) parts of your comments.


RE: i knew this would happen
By otispunkmeyer on 11/28/06, Rating: -1
By CascadingDarkness on 11/28/2006 1:42:17 PM , Rating: 5
I would have to agree, you are anything but lazy. I mean you obviously went well out of your way to post 3 times about how much you swim and work in school even though that is really off topic. I might have suggested it having something remotely to do with the Wii, but that's just me.

I guess I wish you well with petting your ego and proving how much better you think you are compared to everyone else.

On topic, I am planning on getting a Wii and think anything inovative should be cheered. It seems great that it might help over weight people burn any calories (even if it is few due to at little wrist flicking) they might no usually burn otherwise.


RE: i knew this would happen
By Chillin1248 on 11/29/2006 9:43:58 AM , Rating: 3
And I run 8-9KM every morning and night as well as a rigorous Boxing style training regime, then I got the Army training on the side; but one thing I definately learned not to do is to go boasting about it everywhere, makes people doubt you or just become jealous and dislike you. And then there is the random guy whos workout eats yours for lunch.

Point is, enjoy what you do and keep at it, just keep it to yourself mainly as well and only speak of it when you are asking for advice or on the rare occasions when you can offer it.

-------
Chillin


By ThisSpaceForRent on 12/2/2006 4:07:47 PM , Rating: 2
What I find hilariouis is that he goes on and on about fitness, but his forum name is the same as a pastry company. This is proof that there is a god. Who else would be screwing with me?


This is good news for Americans!!!!!!!
By SunAngel on 11/28/06, Rating: -1
By Wwhat on 11/29/2006 2:00:18 PM , Rating: 2
Sure they reportingly are fat, but certainly amongst the worldpopulation they aren't the ones I'd pick to describe as the ones that are "lazy and lethargic", they just snack too much because they have access to nice snacks and plenty of it.


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