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Reggie poses with "Triforce" with his signed Wii - Image courtesy GameSpot

Wii launches at midnight in Universal City - Image courtesy GameSpot

GameJew superstar raises his Wii in victory - Image courtesy GameSpot

The scene at a Canadian big box retailer

There looks to be more people than Wiis available

Those who were assured a Wii lookin' pretty

Wii got it!

Oddly enough, Zelda and Trauma Center were already sold out
The arrival of Nintendo Wii completes the roster of next-generation gaming

The new generation of video gaming is officially here with today’s launch of Nintendo Wii. The premiere launch site at the NYC Times Square Toys “R” Us saw a midnight release with 3,000 gamers in attendance of the launch event.

Unlike the mayhem of the PlayStation 3 launch, the Wii launched with little bloodshed. Much of this is due to the fact that Nintendo is providing ample supply of its new console across the nation. Everyone who attended the launch event in New York who was interested in purchasing a console was able to, thanks to a stockpile of 4,000 units at that location alone.

Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime made the usual head-honcho appearance that’s become common with new console releases. Fils-Aime was there to hand the very first Wii to Isaiah “Triforce” Johnson, 29, who had been waiting outside the store for several days. “I had to get it first,” he explained. Johnson couldn’t have shown his dedication any stronger, who wore a black leather Nintendo coat, a Zelda sweatshirt and NES-relic Power Glove when he shook hands with the Nintendo President. And now, he’ll be able to add another piece of Nintendo memorabilia to his collection, as he had Fils-Aime personalize his Wii with a signature.

While “Triforce” may look like a dedicated Nintendo fan, he waited in line in similar fashion for the Xbox 360 last year. When CNET asked him why he didn’t camp out for the PlayStation 3, he shook his head and said, “I didn't want to get involved in the mayhem … and it's not worth the risk of danger.”

At the other end of the country, Nintendo hosted its launch at the EB Games in Universal City Walk with Senior VP Marketing George Harrison to do the honors. Over a thousand gamers showed up for the event, and at the very front of the line was Jonathan Mann, dressed in Mario cosplay garb.

After ringing through his purchase, Mann hoisted the console above his head for all the world to see. “I'm really excited. You have no idea how excited I am. Seriously. I've been waiting for this since 1991,” he said in this GameSpot report, with no apparent explanation on what he thought of the Nintendo 64 in 1996 and GameCube in 2001.

Like his Times Square counterpart, Mann waited at the front of the line for nearly two days prior to launch. “I'm a little delirious. I've been up for about 40 hours straight. But I've got it in my hands now and it feels good,” said Mann to AP, adding that he has written songs and posted videos about the console for his Web site, GameJew. In his latest video, he sang “Wii Means You and Me” and “The Wind Whispers Wii” to a group of console pre-order onlookers.

Here at DailyTech, our staff scoured the all over the city to get a better picture of the demand behind the Wii. Big box stores such as Best Buy and Wal-Mart had campers early the night before and easily sold out hours before official store opening. Perhaps after experiencing the chaos of PlayStation 3, retailers were bit smarter in organizing crowds. Store managers handed out numbered tickets to those in line, where each ticket would represent a guaranteed console. Those who received a ticket could rest easy that their spot in line was secured, and those without tickets could leave to scavenge elsewhere. Despite the many times the available launch units of PlayStation 3, the Wii is selling out in all major centers. In fact, this editor had to hit a Blockbuster Video store at a remote location to find a console with extra Wiimotes and Nunchuks.

The difference between today’s sell out and that of PlayStation 3 from Friday is that Nintendo is shipping at least four times the units between now and the holiday season, assuring that nearly everyone’s Christmas list will be satisfied. On the other hand, some retailers aren’t expecting to have any additional PlayStation 3 consoles until after the New Year.

In an interview with GameSpot, Reggie Fils-Aime had some advice for those who are left Wii-less after today, saying that those people “should not give up hope, but they should prepared to be fast on their feet.” He reaffirms that Nintendo is committed to delivering 4 million units by December 31, adding that North America will command the largest share of shipments.

“[Demand] is what will drive shortages, that is what will drive stock out. It's not an inability to manufacture, which is what is plaguing our competition, our biggest issue is going to be an inability to satisfy the demand,” said Fils-Aimes. “So, if I'm a consumer, I'm going to want to keep calling and going to all of the likely suspects: my EB and GameStop stores, my Best Buy, my Circuit City, my Target, my Wal-Mart--everywhere--because they're all going to have it at some point in time. But when they're in, they're going to be gone immediately.”

Wii consoles are not fetching nearly the coin on eBay that PlayStation 3 is, but most sellers are still doubling their investment as the average selling price hovers around the $500 mark. Auction prices may fall when the general public finds out that Wii consoles likely won’t face the same supply issues as PlayStation 3 are and the Xbox 360 did last year. Fils-Aime also had something to say about gamers and online auctions.

“The other challenge, frankly, for consumers, is that unlike our competition, you're probably not going to see a lot of units on eBay,” he reckoned. “All of the stories that I've seen of people who have been waiting and getting their preorders in, a lot of these folks get asked, 'You gonna go put this on eBay?' And for PS3, people are saying, 'Yeah, I'm hoping to strike it rich on PS3.' For Wii, they're saying, 'No. I want to buy this and play it.'”



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My day has been made!
By Kromis on 11/19/2006 4:21:58 PM , Rating: 5
"...a lot of these folks get asked, 'You gonna go put this on eBay?' And for PS3, people are saying, 'Yeah, I'm hoping to strike it rich on PS3.' For Wii, they're saying, 'No. I want to buy this and play it.'”

Man...something about this quote just...revitalizes me...makes me so happy...




RE: My day has been made!
By Tsuwamono on 11/19/2006 4:30:48 PM , Rating: 2
indeed. Those PS3 people who just sell them are assholes. Its good to see people aren't selling them on ebay for the most part.


RE: My day has been made!
By mikewii on 11/19/06, Rating: 0
RE: My day has been made!
By borowki on 11/19/06, Rating: -1
RE: My day has been made!
By Nocturnal on 11/20/06, Rating: 0
RE: My day has been made!
By BillyBatson on 11/20/2006 4:19:46 AM , Rating: 2
nah not true, more units really won't be heading to the US and when they do only the hardcore ppl willing to wait will get them, or actually at most places like frys and sears people on the waiting list who waited on launch day will recieve them. Keep in mind sony has to start stocking up for the Euro launch in march and still has to resupply (or finish supplying) the Japanese market. By Xmas everyone will realize there are none in stores, a lot of the early listings will be gone, more and more of the systems sold would have been opened, and so less available overall, high demand, high demand cuz the holidays would be a week away, and all hope of finding a unit in stores is gone. All that would drive up prices. Only thing that would cause them not to go back up is if somehow sony ships more to the US, or people just keep buying and reselling rather than opneing


RE: My day has been made!
By borowki on 11/20/2006 10:19:51 AM , Rating: 1
Not likely. Sony had months to build up what they had at launch. They aren't going to make that many more in a month's time.

You know what really made my day? Reading about the guys who bought the PS3 then promptly smashed it with a sledgehammer outside the store. It's hilarious.


RE: My day has been made!
By Playto on 11/20/2006 8:53:54 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
22953 wiis vs only 18298 ps3s are on sale on ebay at this moment. Naturally you'll be seeing even more wiis going forward as their supply is higher.


This is an obvious reason, the PS3 will not sit at auction long on ebay because people are insane and are willing to spend the X amount of dollars just to get it off there before anybody else. So if the PS3 auction ends and they all sell off ebay does that really mean there are more Wii's that went for sale on Ebay than PS3's? Nope just means the PS3 sold much faster and was listed longer in advance.


RE: My day has been made!
By VooDooAddict on 11/20/2006 10:11:09 AM , Rating: 1
Please correct my launch numbers ... this is what I last heard.

Of 400,000 Wii's 22,000 are trying to make money off it and not using it as a gift / playing it themselves? Only around 5% are willing to give up the Wii.

Of 80,000 PS3s 18,000 are in it just to make a buck? Between 20-25% are just looking to make a quick buck...

I've got no issue with either. However simply saying more people bought a Wii to sell it on ebay then PS3 might be a little misleading.

I can't wait to see the Tie-in Numbers. Many places sounded like they were also sold out of controlers.


RE: My day has been made!
By Aikouka on 11/20/2006 10:15:47 AM , Rating: 3
Wasn't it 200,000 PS3s in North America? Your number (80,000) looks like the supposed Japanese release amount (as it was more like 88,000).


RE: My day has been made!
By animedude on 11/20/06, Rating: 0
RE: My day has been made!
By Aikouka on 11/21/2006 8:26:33 AM , Rating: 1
Isn't that kind of funny, animedude. I correct the guy, like he asks, and I get modded down -_-.

"Please correct my launch numbers ... this is what I last heard."

Wow, it's like I made this up... oh no wait, that was in Mr. Voodoo's post. Should post up this headline next on DailyTech, "Education System Failed: Some DailyTech Readers Illiterate!"


RE: My day has been made!
By dcalfine on 11/19/06, Rating: 0
RE: My day has been made!
By drxploder on 11/19/2006 8:22:47 PM , Rating: 2
I understand capitalism, but I can't help but be angry at all the resellers for sucking up the supply (There were a few resellers in my line at fry's, when I was 2 away).

Also, at Target, the 60th guy tried to sell his ticket to us unlucky ones for $200, no one accepted.


RE: My day has been made!
By GhandiInstinct on 11/19/06, Rating: 0
RE: My day has been made!
By The Sly Syl on 11/19/2006 7:17:01 PM , Rating: 3
I was in line, we're a relatively small town, so the bestbuy i was camping at only had 24 Wii's.

Not a single person in the line was planning on reselling there Wii, every single one was ready to get home and play some Zelda.

It was actually a rather hospitable bunch to camp out for the 18 or so hours i was stuck in line. (I was #10)


RE: My day has been made!
By Tsuwamono on 11/19/2006 7:41:28 PM , Rating: 2
point exactly. Im not ignorant, im just mature enough i guess to not do stupid stuff like force people who waited in line for days to miss out on what they waited for just so i can make a quick buck.

Just because we live in a Capitalistic society doesnt mean we have to screw over everyone we meet. I believe in helping others, and buying several PS3s to sell online to people who just have more money then brains that someone in line could have had is wrong. Why should the rich get all the advantages?



RE: My day has been made!
By otispunkmeyer on 11/20/2006 3:51:54 AM , Rating: 1
MONEY = POWER



RE: My day has been made!
By johnjon99 on 11/20/2006 9:41:44 AM , Rating: 2
True power lies in winning the hearts of others, not taking advantage of them. It really saddens me that someone would buy up as many of these that they can and resell them for thousands of dollars...when some parent is probably sitting at home crying their eyes out because the one gift their child wanted was a Wii (for $250), and they can't afford an additional $250 - $500 to buy it from someone who is taking advantage of the system. I mean, who wants to be the one to say " I'm sorry sweetheart, daddy couldn't afford to get you a Wii this year" or "Santa was short three reindeer, cause Rudolph, Dasher and Blitzen got a severe case of flying reindeer gout and couldn't pull a sled loaded down with all those gaming consoles. " It's VERY sad.


RE: My day has been made!
By dice1111 on 11/20/2006 3:12:45 PM , Rating: 2
"First you get the Money, then your get the Power, then you get the Wii!"


RE: My day has been made!
By BillyBatson on 11/19/2006 11:16:17 PM , Rating: 2
that is exactly what i am saying! i waited in line for 3 days and was the first to get a ps3 at the Woodland Hills California Fry's Electronics but i fully intend to sell it on ebay closer to the holidays.
I ran aroudn today though trying to find a Wii, it was a LOT harder than i thought! they were sold out EVERYWHERE! I ended up driving 217 miles total and a store 4 miles from my home ended up having a bunch! as of 2:30pm they had 12 units left, a store called La Curacao. Bad part was it was bundled with a DS lite with 1 game and a travel kit.

Like i said i plan on selling the PS3 but i OPENED my Wii and i have been playing Wii sports all night! Going to try Zelda and Red Steel later.

oh and in last pic above with the Blockbuster price tags DAMN that is a lot of money! The games are $50, the Wii Remote $40, and the Nunchuk $20 at Walmart.


My thoughts on the Wii
By creathir on 11/19/2006 5:17:56 PM , Rating: 4
Okay... so my brother and I waited outside of Gamestop for 45 minutes last night... waiting to pick up the pre-order. Well, here is the scoop.

In my frank, and honest opinion, the controller is one of the most amazing advancements to console gaming in years. That is just the honest truth. Until you have tried it, you really cannot imagine what exactly it is like. I was worried I'd grow tired of using all of my precious energy while moving around... but it honestly is one of the most natural feeling devices I have played in a good long while. Slashing your sword in Zelda... or even going fishing... or racing your buddy in ExciteTruck is just plain fun. Heck, my Mom even enjoyed it (someone who's gaming repeater includes Zuma and various other "click games" found on Pogo.com and the likes. It really changes the dynamic of the game... totally. I'm really interested to see how this affects games like Madden and what not (did not pick it up last night... I'll rent it sometime) as those are games that usually have lots of movement... something that naturally occurs while using the Wiimote.)

I really do honestly enjoy playing the games with this thing, and this is coming from a diehard FPS (PC) gamer as well as a rock solid Xbox360 fan (some might even say fanboi(sp?))

This brings me to the downside to this device. The UI is horrific. I really cannot stand it. From the ridiculous noise it makes while "updating" or downloading... to the actual online store to buy stuff. I am accustomed to the likes of Xbox Live, which up until this point, I had not really appreciated how well designed the user interface was. I found Wii's UI to be cumbersome and inefficient.

One of the other major "issues" was with the navigation of the Wii UI. That ridiculous IR sensor drives me INSANE. I would have MUCH rather seen "stereo" UHF receivers on top of the TV... as that would accomplish the same goal as the IR bar, but allow for a little more freedom. You cannot sit off to the side of the TV really. I found myself doing the "Remote Tango"... you know, the mix of break dancing, pop and lock, and the Cha-Cha... as you try to get some remote to change whatever component in your entertainment system. This really drove me nuts... especially while entering my 26-digit hex key for the encryption on my wireless network (yeah yeah yeah... I'm using WEP... so sue me, or buy me a new wireless router)

Overall, the system is really "cool" and opens up gaming, at least as how most of us define it (I will never call Zuma or Bejeweled a game... that’s just finger exercise)
for many many people who find clicking small buttons a challenge. The fact that the memory cards are just SD cards is another HUGE plus in my book.

If they do two things, this thing will be perfect.

1. REDESIGN THE UI. This is a must. No exceptions. Microsoft is SLAUGHTERING Nintendo in this arena. I've never use a PS3, so I cannot comment on their UI, but Nintendo really botched this one.

2. KILL THE IR BAR, REPLACE WITH UHF BAR. I know the remotes transmit in UHF, as the truck game works FINE with the IR transmitter on the remote covered up. Maybe it has something to do with having to have a single direction for the source (UHF would transmit in an omni-directional fashion) but there has got to be a better way of doing this. That menu is an utter pain to use.

Fix those two things, and all my issues would be resolved with the device.
Even with those two problems, I still find the system to be quite interesting to say the least, and enjoyable to play (once you get past that UI up front)

Kudos to Nintendo on this one.

Well, I'm off to download a few more songs onto my Zune (You all know I'm a Microsoft fan...) and play some more Zelda before I dive into my ASP.Net code for work for the evening.

I highly recommend ya pick up a Wii or ask for it for Christmas (all you kidos out there, or at least the kids at heart)

Best of luck to everyone, and have a blessed Thanksgiving. (A little early, I know I know.)

- Creathir




RE: My thoughts on the Wii
By msva124 on 11/19/2006 6:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
Kind of ironic that the input device UI is so good while the software UI is so bad. A little disappointing, but I am still intrigued by the Wii.


RE: My thoughts on the Wii
By Xavian on 11/19/2006 7:30:54 PM , Rating: 5
The IR bar generates a IR field, which is picked up by the controller, this allows the controller to know where it is at any point in space. The IR Bar is NOT for transmissionat all, thus using UHF wouldn't work at all for what the IR Bar is required for.

The Controller communicates to the console via Bluetooth and nothing else, it merely uses the IR field as a point of reference in order to calculate its position in 3D Space.

So IR is required if you want the motion sensing and pointer to work properly. However im having difficulty figuring out what you finding difficult about the IR Bar, is it confusing the other remotes or what?


RE: My thoughts on the Wii
By otispunkmeyer on 11/20/2006 5:17:48 AM , Rating: 2
maybe the remote communicates by IR for navigating menus and such, i dont know though but it would explain why its gash in the UI but perfect in games.

also, the IR bar puts out a cone shaped field of IR waves for the remote to pick up and work out its position in 3D space. depending on how narrow the cone is in the horizontal might mean its touch and go when your sitting off to the side of the TV set.

the only other thing is that BT doesnt have the best of wireless ranges though i'd imagine 10m is easily do able in free space. maybe the OP is just too far away or something?


RE: My thoughts on the Wii
By Aikouka on 11/20/2006 9:00:25 AM , Rating: 1
I think the reason why it's so annoying is something I noticed yesterday while I was using the Wii and my brother was playing Zelda. In the system menus, the cursor is allowed to go off the screen, but in Zelda, I noticed that it never seemed to go off the screen. Getting the cursor back onto the screen just ends up being an annoyance and I really wish there was an option to lock the sides.


RE: My thoughts on the Wii
By creathir on 11/20/2006 1:22:16 PM , Rating: 1
Once again, why do you have to use IR??
UHF could DEF. be used instead of the IR, as the IR is generating two distinct sources (triangulation, much as is done with airplane navigation)
Just have one on Freq. 1, the other on Freq. 2, and bang, it works, ANYTIME... even with the rediculous sensor covered.

Anywyas, glad to hear it uses Bluetooth. (Uses the same 2.4 Ghz spectrum... so I guess its not UHF EXACTLY, but it is not IR...)

It is a fantastic system, that was my only concern.

- Creathir


RE: My thoughts on the Wii
By Aikouka on 11/20/2006 8:58:29 AM , Rating: 1
I somewhat agree with you, Creathir. My brother camped out at Target starting Saturday morning to get a Wii (first person in line from what I heard) and of course he got one. Well, me being the person who set up the entire home network, I had to do all that sort of fun stuff getting the console set up to work.

My god, using that Wiimote to set up the system was just painful. Not only is it annoying to have to wave it around, but to enter passcodes (I use WPA, so mine's a bit smaller ;)) is just tedius and annoying. I had to do it twice until I remembered that I use MAC authentication and I forgot to add the Wii to my list on my router :P.

Also, the system keeps telling me I need an update to run some of the packaged Wii channels. So, I go to update the system and nothing . At least tell me the channel is not available at this time instead of making me sit through the annoying updating process.

Creating a "Mii" was kind of amusing though. It's a step up from Microsoft's standard avatar and an interesting way to go about it.

Now, to playing games.... I got a chance to watch my brother (a better than average gamer, I'd say) play Red Steel. I honestly think the Wiimote control setup harbored the game more than making it "more immersive." I watched him try to aim and fire the gun, but the way you hold the remote ended up making it awkward (especially if you actually know how to fire a gun). Although, the sword play was a bit better.

In Zelda... what's with the unnatural use of the Wiimote speaker? I understand using it for fishing and archery, but not saving and loading a game.... I just found it to be annoying in that case.

I still need to try Wii Sports though. Unfortunately, I'll have to play by myself as GameStop screwed my brother over and sold his preorders for controllers. I knew they'd do that as the GameStop around me is notorious for not keeping enough items to fill preorders.

Also, this is now venturing into a more opinionated part, but I think the graphics are really subpar. Sure, people will say "Oh, it's not supposed to focus on graphics" or "graphics aren't everything". But you see, that's just the BS you're made to believe! Would you purchase a computer to replace a 5 year old machine and expect the graphics it can output to be marginally better if at all? No! I saw Red Steel and the new Zelda game and they both look like a GameCube game (I know Zelda was originally created to be a GC game). C'mon people... yes, gameplay is extremely important, but there's a bar... a standard you could say that we expect. Nintendo's Wii does not meet that standard yet tries to alleve itself with its revolutionary (which I described above as annoying) controller.

Also, the lack of anything but 480p? Sure, people will yet again bring up the graphics issue, but what about people who own HDTVs? I'm getting ever tempted to buy one and if my brother hooks the Wii up to it, I even told him it's going to look bad being upscaled from 480p to 720p/1080p (not sure which one I'm going to get yet :x).


RE: My thoughts on the Wii
By Aikouka on 11/21/2006 8:39:32 AM , Rating: 2
Alright, this is great. I post an informed opinion after playing the console and it gets modded down. Fine, someone didn't agree, but... there's no replies. Which means instead of someone attempting to "show me the err of my ways", they're being a bunch of tools and thinking their opinion (which is most likely based on intense zealotism for Nintendo) is better than mine. So, if you don't want to see my opinion, then I don't want to see your opinion, so keep yours (i.e. post worthiness vote) to yourself.

Oh and claims of me being swayed toward any console are far from true. I do own an XBOX 360, because I wanted some of the games for it. I do not own a PS3 or a Wii, because I do not want any of the games for them (yet). It's THAT SIMPLE . If I'm swayed toward anything, it's my PC, but that's because I spent nearly $4000 on it.


Wii.. looking good
By ViperROhb34 on 11/20/2006 6:21:19 PM , Rating: 2
This is just proof positive that the one with the "best" hardware doesn't always win..

In many ways the Wii is inferior to Xbox 360 and PS3.. but it is fun.. innovative as far as controls.. ( a nintendo 1st ) backwards compatible.. and.. a biggie... its actually affordable by the everyday working class !

All the PS3 fans crying out superiority have one flaw in their thinking.. price point. No matter how good a deal it appears to be ( with all those 'features' ) .. most simply can't afford a 600 dollar console..




RE: Wii.. looking good
By keiclone on 11/20/2006 7:53:02 PM , Rating: 3
actually, the "best" hardware has almost never won. PSP lost to DS. Xbox lost to PS2. N64 lost to PS1. NeoGeo lost to Game Boy Pocket. Seems best hardware is never the way to go, and this generation is repeating that trend


RE: Wii.. looking good
By Xavian on 11/21/2006 6:24:10 PM , Rating: 2
that's.... exactly what the OP said in the first place O.o


RE: Wii.. looking good
By Aikouka on 11/21/2006 7:53:31 PM , Rating: 2
No no, he's not arguing with him, he's just showing him that unlike the OP's single example, that it has been a reoccurring trend in video game history :).

I think we all know that it's the games that set the winner, not the hardware.


Thank you all who camped for PS3 and Wii!!!
By rushfan2006 on 11/20/2006 8:38:53 AM , Rating: 2
...because of you folks who camp out -- hours even days for a game console. For you guys that risk injuring yourself or others for a game console (aside from thinking you are a jerk for that btw)....thank you...

Why? Because once in a while I'll think to myself..."Maybe I am too nerdy that I just spent 4 hours playing World of Warcraft tonight....or that I spent 3 hours playing Company of Heroes on a Saturday.....".......nope....now all I have to do to restore my sanity and the knowledge I'm not the nerdiness person on the planet I think of the folks who camped for a game console.

AND btw....before some smartass goes something like "and someone who will make $1500 profit"......sorry, I get better return with my investments....and over 18 - 24 hours camping, in the cold, not worth in. Now if you manage to sell your PS3 to some rich nut job for $5k or better, then that is worth it.





RE: Thank you all who camped for PS3 and Wii!!!
By Aikouka on 11/20/2006 9:08:55 AM , Rating: 2
Son, 4 hours in WoW ain't nothin'... you're a nerd when you play like I used to (8+ hours a day).

Also, I'll come out and say it now, that I do not agree with people selling consoles. This is my personal opinion and I know quite a lot of people disagree. For me, if I don't want it, I don't buy it. If someone else wants it that actually desires to use it, I let them buy it.

I'll give you a World of Warcraft analogy for this using something that bothers me a lot in the game. When people go around to all the damn vendors and buy all the damn limited recipes and stuff and put them all on the damn Auction House. That pisses me off! I try to go to a vendor to buy a recipe for one of my characters and I see some wanker bought them all and put them on the auction house for 2x to 3x the price!

It's a lack of respect for other people, which the ideal in America today is to respect no one but yourself anyway, so I guess everyone's doing a good job :). You buy it because you want to make a "quick buck" and don't think about other people. Such a horrid Scrooge-esque way to live life. I mean, sorry if I went to college and got a good paying job instead of sitting outside in the freezing cold to buy video game systems when someone else really wants to play them cannot get them.


By Aikouka on 11/21/2006 3:16:32 PM , Rating: 2
Looks like I offended the Scrooges of DailyTech :o.


By Spivonious on 11/20/2006 1:52:36 PM , Rating: 2
I neither have nor plan to get a PS3, but what investment do you have that has a 300% return?


nintendo 4 life
By AppaYipYip on 11/19/2006 4:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
The Nintendo crowd is fundamentaly different from the PS3 crowd. We are true gamers, we enjoy games with great design, replay value, and intuitive function. PS3 appeals to those that lay greater value in fancy graphics and bragging rights. "Oh, you don't have a PS3? Pff sucks to be you..."

Nintendo is for the people. Plain and simple.




RE: nintendo 4 life
By Lazarus Dark on 11/19/06, Rating: 0
RE: nintendo 4 life
By Tilmitt on 11/19/2006 5:08:12 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The Nintendo crowd is fundamentaly different from the PS3 crowd. We are true gamers, we enjoy games with great design, replay value, and intuitive function. PS3 appeals to those that lay greater value in fancy graphics and bragging rights. "Oh, you don't have a PS3? Pff sucks to be you..."


That's absolute rubbish. What a reckless generalisation. I need not say anymore.


RE: nintendo 4 life
By stmok on 11/20/2006 1:08:13 AM , Rating: 2
I'd have to agree with Tilmitt.

True Gamers? What a load of fundamentalist BULL$HIT.

Then what's PC gaming? Xbox 360?



RE: nintendo 4 life
By UsernameX on 11/19/2006 6:30:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The Nintendo crowd is fundamentaly different from the PS3 crowd. We are true gamers, we enjoy games with great design, replay value, and intuitive function. PS3 appeals to those that lay greater value in fancy graphics and bragging rights. "Oh, you don't have a PS3? Pff sucks to be you..."


True gamers?? Please tell me how you define True Gamer? Secondly any person that plays a PS3 system also enjoys games with great design,replay value, and intuitive function. Sony does put a substantial amount of value into graphics but also to the games' physics. Nintendo surely will not come close to the potential of the X360 or PS3 in terms of physics or graphics. Stop generalizing please...

But that's surely not to say Nintendo is a bad system by any means. I have played one and will buy one. The controller is incredible! I can't wait to see what some clever game designers can come up with!


RE: nintendo 4 life
By heffeque on 11/20/06, Rating: -1
hmmmmm
By otispunkmeyer on 11/20/2006 3:49:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
[Demand] is what will drive shortages, that is what will drive stock out. It's not an inability to manufacture, which is what is plaguing our competition, our biggest issue is going to be an inability to satisfy the demand,” said Fils-Aimes. “So, if I'm a consumer, I'm going to want to keep calling and going to all of the likely suspects: my EB and GameStop stores, my Best Buy, my Circuit City, my Target, my Wal-Mart--everywhere--because they're all going to have it at some point in time. But when they're in, they're going to be gone immediately.”


to me this doesnt make sense.

demand is what will drive shortages....what? like it usually does?

and then they say its not an inability to manufacture, but an inability to meet demand?

i see that as an inability to manufacture. inability to manufacture enough to feed people, much like sony has an inability to manufacture enough to feed people.

he's spinning his words, but their situation obviously isnt as bad as the PS3's.... sinc they're shipping 4 x as many Wii's

i guess at the end of the day with products like these...you just cant make enough no matter how hard you try. there will always be shortages and no shortage of people willing to pay the price.




RE: hmmmmm
By snyper256 on 11/20/2006 8:00:33 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that's the entire point. Nintendo's been saying all along what they planned to ship and they have not come up short. Sony, on the other hand, had to cut their numbers recently. The newer figure hasn't even been released.

I've been playing Wii Sports all day.. my arm is so sore.


RE: hmmmmm
By smitty3268 on 11/21/2006 2:37:09 AM , Rating: 2
LOL. That made me laugh too - we can manufacture as many as we want, we just can't manufacture as many as consumers want. Not like Sony who can't manufacture as many as consumers want. I mean, um, not like Sony who can't manufacture as many as they want. Yeah, that's it.


worth the wait
By spwrozek on 11/19/2006 5:22:00 PM , Rating: 4
I spent 8 hours last night waiting at Target. It was 29 degrees and snowing! Woot. It was worth every minute. I bought Redsteel along with the system and an extra controller/nunchuck. For the last 6 hours my family has been playing the Wii sports, awesome game. My 50 year old mom and dad were playing and even my 70 year old grandma (who is going to buy one for her house). The system is awesome, absolutely great. If you don't have one, it should be the next thing to buy on your list.




extra remotes
By randomlinh on 11/19/2006 10:17:22 PM , Rating: 2
all I want is an extra wiimote and nunchuck.




RE: extra remotes
By jjunos on 11/20/2006 4:24:55 PM , Rating: 2
ditto


Nintendo Powah!!! Wii pwn console market!!!
By knowom on 11/20/2006 12:46:53 AM , Rating: 2
"just go on ebay and check the numbers 22953 wiis vs only 18298 ps3s are on sale on ebay at this moment"

That might be accurate, but nintendo launched with 4 times as many wii's so it's not a fair comparison if you go by volume shipped there's only 5739 wii's to every 18298 ps3's on ebay huge difference huh not to mention the mark up on the ps3's are substantially higher and will remain that way for a longer time frame than the wii's.

All I got to say is nintendo's back and better than ever unique controller free online play classic nintendo games cheaper both initially as well as long term bigger game selection good amount of supply and more experiance overall. Wii's definatly takes the triforce on this one.




By sscilli on 11/20/2006 2:16:49 AM , Rating: 2
For $250 I'm gonna have to get one. PS3 is just to expensive for me, and blu-ray is not guarenteed to survive as the dominant format over HD-DVD. The Wii is cheap and inovative, just like the DS which I was pleasently surprised by. So it lacks DVD playback, you probably already have a DVD player anyway. Your buying a wii for the completely unique controler style, which for me makes up for the fact that it can't play DVD's. Most consoles are crappy DVD players anyway.


Unlucky....kinda
By drxploder on 11/19/2006 8:15:29 PM , Rating: 2
I was 12 away from the cut off at Target, 7 away at Circuit City, 2 away at Fry's (I was even willing to buy their stupid bundle), and I missed the ticket handout at Sears.

Today was almost a waste, but I managed to get a copy of Zelda.




Got Mine!
By encryptkeeper on 11/19/2006 9:27:03 PM , Rating: 2
I camped out since midnight Saturday night, but I got my Wii and Zelda!!!




I got a Wii, AND Sleep
By wuZheng on 11/19/2006 11:58:27 PM , Rating: 2
Woke up at 6:15am, got a call from my buddy (I missed the last 7), rushed my ass to the mall, went in the doors, found EBGames inside totally uncamped.

1st in line, 2 hour wait...

Not the most dramatic console launch experience, but definitely one that differs from the rest...

Oh, and I'm completely in love with this thing.




i still prefer the Wii
By Truenofan on 11/20/2006 12:00:05 AM , Rating: 2
i fully agree with the whole, its a straight gaming machine, you dont need a dvd player, nore do you need a blueray drive, if you wanted that stuff, go buy a real one that outputs quality even better than a sub-par intergrated drive with craptastic firmware and hardware problems. i like the gamecube, i like the n64, and snes, and nintendo. you dont need triple core, or cell processors that make it difficult for companies to program for the friggin system, and disks that cost more to manufacture and have more space than the industry even needs. all companies are going to do with that is put more music or sounds. i prefer the wii, for wireless intergration into a system, you dont have a cable running for the net, nore a cable for the controller, you just set it up by your tv, and hit the power button on the controller if you want to turn the thing on, i'll admit the interface in the system is a bit twitchy at times. but just because it doesnt have a dvd player, is not a valid reason to not buy it. having more features is sometimes worse, it gives a greater chance for things to go wrong.




I love this console
By gus6464 on 11/20/2006 4:28:20 AM , Rating: 2
Woke up at 6am this morning went to best buy and was the #41 ticket holder out of 87, picked up zelda and excite truck. This thing is so much fun that my girlfriends parents were playing wii sports and excite truck with us. The controls are really nothing short of amazing. Im glad i couldnt get a ps3 on friday and just bought a wii today.




Wii for everyone
By fyahman on 11/20/2006 10:58:15 AM , Rating: 2
Why is everyone comparing the Wii to the PS3? I am certain most of you got the picture when Nintendo themselves stated that it wasnt going to dwelve in the "high end graphics" races with Sony and MS but focus more on gameplay.

Lets talk about the pricing shall we? Now...were are gonna base this on your entire setup..not just the console itself...Wii...$250 plus tax (includes one game)and you dont need to upgrade your TV in order to play with its FULL potential. No DVD player? Anywhere from $25 to $40 for a decent dvd player...total cost is around $300....

PS3? $499 for the basic version....$599 for the enhanced(if you got it on ebay...I know you have paid well over $1500...and thats not even for the enhanced version!!!)...now...you need an HDTV to get the full potential of this system (if your thinking a regular TV will do...your going to be very disappointed...and I do mean verrrrry disappointed).Your going to need something that can do at least 720p (but you really want that 1080i)...thats going $600+ and substantially more if your thinking of a big screen. Total cost? More than $1100. Wait!!! You dont even have one game yet! $1160. (oh yeah..if you bought this console off of ebay for more $1XXX and higher your a retard...yes...there is no argument against this...you just are.)

Cost is what drive consumers to buy. I look at it like PCs now and days....most wants a PC just for surfing the web and checking email (light music and video playing). Would you spend $1000 to just to do those things? I would say no.




I tried the Wii...
By Spivonious on 11/20/2006 1:44:34 PM , Rating: 2
I tried the Wii yesterday at the mall. First off, wow is it small! The system is about as big as an internal CDROM drive for a desktop (5.25" bay). The wii-mote is much smaller than I expected. I'd compare it to a long cell phone. Can't be more than 2" wide, 6" long. Very lightweight as well, but hefty enough to be comfortable.

They had Excite Truck going, and after handing over my drivers' license and creditcard (for security purposes) I was able to play. The motion sensing is superb. Every little motion was immediately registered. The game's graphics were obviously not as good as the 360 or PS3 but they still looked better than the Gamecube. I'd say a little better than a PS2/Xbox level of graphics.

The game was a lot of fun, and a crowd gathered to watch me and my fiancee play. If I didn't have it on my Christmas list, I would have bought one right then and there. For all of you who are skeptical about the Wii, just go and play it and you will understand why it will win the next gen wars.




Except me...
By keiclone on 11/20/2006 3:59:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Everyone who attended the launch event in New York who was interested in purchasing a console was able to, thanks to a stockpile of 4,000 units at that location alone.


haha I was one of those ppl there but I didn't get one that night. Even with 4000 units it still sold like crazy.

It's fine though. Thank god Nintendo knew what they were doing and sent another shipment by noon the next day. I got one after waiting 4 hrs then. ^-^




The Quality of a system
By Fubar0606 on 11/20/2006 5:38:57 PM , Rating: 2
ya dude i know what u mean, I am a strikely PC gamer. but u know any nintendo console is worth pikcing up its a totaly differnt experience then a 360 or a pS3 and a PS3 and a 360 are the same old thing if u can play the game on a PC play on a PC!
P.S. I hate "gamers" that play only one console and its like Call of duty or something like that. more fun on PC and even then DOD or Q3 are better.

ya i would never sell a Wii if i got one its to amazingly great. my friend Cory and his bro worked nights for a month straight and got enough money for 6 PS3's they paid people to wait in line for them and wow now there gonna have up to 10k on ebay :P




GEEEE AYE WHY
By Enoch2001 on 11/20/06, Rating: -1
RE: GEEEE AYE WHY
By wuZheng on 11/20/2006 12:17:24 AM , Rating: 2
Oh no, Enoch, rest assured the other handful of people who share your opinion also would take out violence on those who utter the word "Wii-mote."

Its Wii now, and forever, get used to the marketing genius.


RE: GEEEE AYE WHY
By stmok on 11/20/2006 1:29:54 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
And if anyone asks me where my "Wii-mote" is I'll punch them in the face.


Where's your Wii-mote? :p


RE: GEEEE AYE WHY
By StevoLincolnite on 11/20/2006 8:46:29 AM , Rating: 3
Enoch, Your anal retentive.
Threatening those that are on the internet is pointless and gutless. That said.... Wheres my Wii-Mote?
I'm still waiting for the Wii to be released here in Australia, And the good thing is, its going to be the same price as the N64 and Gamecube at launch. ($399.95 That extra 5 cents... hmmm.... What could I buy? :P)
Nintendo allways had the ability to update the User Interface with an update of some kind. Remember, the Wii is Nintendo's first console with a user interface, whilst Microsoft had the Xbox 1 and the Windows platforms. (I'm basically saying Microsoft has had more experience in that kind of thing!).
Mind you the DS UI was a but clunky to find where everything was untill I got used to the device. If the Wii can please me like the DS does, I'll be one happy person!
I'm not phased either by the lack of DVD playing support, The way I look at it, is that the more gear you have for the theater system, the more expensive it looks :P
I still dont even have a HDTV yet... Little to expensive here at the moment, But I have my 68cm CRT giant thingy, my DVD recorder, Sony 7.1 Surround sound stereo system with a 5 stacker in it' (I love that thing!). A typical cheap crap VCR playa, and a HD set top box. (HD broadcasting isnt available here yet... but 2 SD channels are available). The Wii will actually be the first console I have baught since the Nintendo 64 and Playsation 1. (Baught them at the same time). I'm really interested in its emulation ability of past console games, even if the amount of games currently isnt staggering. Saves me from having to find the right plugins, and tweak and crap to get my roms workin'.

And who ever thinks Wii is a gay name. Remember... "PLAY STATION!" - Let your dirty mind go wild on that one.


By Cullinaire on 11/26/2006 4:03:20 PM , Rating: 2
Yet another home run by the corn fed one!


The reason nintendo has more Wii available
By adam92682 on 11/20/06, Rating: -1
By bldckstark on 11/20/2006 1:13:04 PM , Rating: 4
My house has 3 kids, a PS2, PS1, XBox, Xbox360, Super Nintendo, Gamecube, N64, 3 GBA SP's, one DS, 5 computers, about 15 PNP games, and a V-Smile.

One kid spends 95% of HER video game time on the DS. The twin boys spend 75% of their video game time on the Gamecube. I'm getting them a Wii, and am not even considering the PS3. If they found a way to make the Gamecube better by putting it in a new box, then great for them.


By StevoLincolnite on 11/20/2006 7:37:24 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
All they did was disasemble all the gamecubes that didnt sell and put them in a new case


You sir' are a completely and utter idiot.
The Wii has completly new tech, but instead of the tech being revolutionary, it was more evolutionary.
for Instace the Wii Processor is 729MHZ "Broadway"
And the Gamecube was 485Mhz.
Like is said it was evolutionary, But seriously the Average PC idiot would look at those specs and go "ewww! Its slow!"
But Consoles a made and programmed for, to do one job, And thats to game. (Occasionally you get someone who makes a web browser etc...)
Not much is known about the Wii's hardware, and alot of people have just said "Its a re-packaged gamecube". I doubt any company would be that stupid. Especially in a market that is as fierce as the console market. Get yourseld educated before you talk.
Just looking at screenshots alone shows that the Wii's Graphics is far better than the Gamecubes, Xbox 1, and PS2.
So FEK YOU!


By StevoLincolnite on 11/23/2006 2:12:46 AM , Rating: 3
You obviously dont know, that an increse of say 300mhz has a dramatic increase in AI,
Physics, And graphics and other such tasks on a console, Remember there is NO bloated operating system,
No hundreds of thousands of different drivers and what not. They are built to do one thing to game, For instance the Nintendo 64 had a
94Mhz 64 bit processor. (1.5x multiplier).
4Mb of ram, upgradable to 8Mb.
And a custom Vector based 3D accellerator running at 62.5mhz.
Yet it was able to play 3D games? these specs are similar to whats found in a 486 Machine. (If going by Mhz and memory).
Forward to today, with the Gamecubes processor and the Wii processor theres 300Mhz difference.
An extra 16Mb of ram,
And a 3D accellerator that shits all over the Gamecubes.
Plus... (Been confirmed) a Physics Processor.
Now, The difference may not be all that great hardware wise, but every little kb of memory, or every little Mhz can be OPTIMISED for a game,
Remember back in the old DOS days, how you were constantly compiling things, making them smaller, so there was a smaller footprint? Well, all those optimisations do not go un-noticed.

And in future of calling someone a "fan-Boy" as sort of a,
lame way of "Paying someone out, or giving them shit" try and think of something a little more constructive.
Most people would have owned a nintendo at one point or another, be it a gameboy, nes, snes, DS And what not.
I have never owned a PS2, yet allways wanted to play the final fantasy games. (The PS2 was just allways to expensive).
If I could get a game machine, with awsome features, with new games, good graphics, and a cheap price, They have me.
Which Places me in the Nintendo camp once again.
(My last console was the Xbox 1, There were not any Gamecube titles that enticed me).
And I really dont give a shit, if you portray me as a fanboy, At least thats leaps beyond what you could achieve with your narrow and frigid mind.


Wii DVD functionality
By jeffbui on 11/19/06, Rating: -1
RE: Wii DVD functionality
By PrinceGaz on 11/19/2006 6:58:06 PM , Rating: 2
lol

When you can pick up a proper dedicated DVD player for next to nothing these days, why would you even want to play DVDs on a console?

The Wii is a games -console. Unlike the PS3 which is trying to be a second-rate Blu-ray movie-player as well as a games-console, the Wii concentrates entirely on the games and from early reports, seems to be doing a damn good job of providing excellent gameplay.


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By Furen on 11/19/2006 10:34:27 PM , Rating: 2
I'll say that DVD playback would have been nice, though. Having just a cable box and a Wii on a TV would do wonders to cable management. Not to mention that the thing already includes a remote.


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By stmok on 11/20/06, Rating: 0
RE: Wii DVD functionality
By VooDooAddict on 11/20/2006 11:22:19 AM , Rating: 1
I certainly don't discount the utility of a PS3 for:
- A set-top Linux machine.
- BluRay Player.
I think people who want the above features are getting a great value. If they can find one at retail that is. If not they could build a Quad Core Desktop system for the eBay prices... that would be an interesting review. Benchmarks of a PS3 in linux apps vs benchmarks on a Core 2 Quad. Hey Daily tech ... put that PS3 back together and toss up some benchmarks.

Personally, due both to my work and to PC gaming... I run Windows and for Utility .. the utility of the 360 wins out for me.
- Great controlers that work on either PC or 360. (Now even the wireless ones.)
- 360 works as a media extender.
- There's a free and supported development Kit for making small 360 games. (Personally, I find this more useful then Linux.)
- HD-DVD accessory also works on the PC.

If I had the $$ to spare ... I'd own a 360 for the gadget utility it's a great accessory for the PC. After I purchase a Wii, for you know actually playing games.


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By BillyBatson on 11/20/06, Rating: 0
RE: Wii DVD functionality
By yacoub on 11/20/2006 6:39:32 AM , Rating: 2
actually it would be nice if it played DVDs so people who currently don't have a separate DVD player can get that functionality in the Wii and not have to have TWO items in their entertainment center instead. It IS a valid desire, especially considering how long DVD has been around now and how mainstream it is.


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By rushfan2006 on 11/20/2006 8:56:47 AM , Rating: 3
Guess you guys aren't into higher end HT setups....of course the true highend would be high definition players, but until the whole standards thing gets worked out I'll stick with a stand alone DVD player.

Does a console DVD player support the various dolby flavors? Does it have the fiber connections in the back? Does it have progressive scanning capabilitiy? Does it have have the little features you don't miss if you never had them but you miss immediately get used to having them....like double, triple and quadruple fast forward speeds, zooming in, zooming out, slow motion play/advance, etc?

Not to mention -- wear and tear....just because Cd/DVD technology is a laser beam that touches the disc -- it just means the media doesn't wear out (if cared for properly of course)...but like all electronics/mechanical equipment it has limited life on the components.

Finally...even the "high end normal DVD" players today that have all the features I mentioned above cost about $200...and that's considered "high end"....you can get feature rich dvd players for sub $100 now.

This logic is the same thing I use for the PS3 boys talking about having the blu-ray player too....console / multifunction players are bare minimum in features and abilities.

If you want really good quality and maximum enjoyment -- stand alone is still the best choice (and it will spare the extra use on your consoles for gaming....after all GAMING is the real reason you bought it for right? ).



RE: Wii DVD functionality
By deeznuts on 11/20/2006 1:54:03 PM , Rating: 2
You are preaching to the choir man. How many dvd players are installed in the US, and how many have corresponding HT setups with them? I would guess that percentage is really low. Damn low. I'm assuming if the Wii outputs games in 480p, it will have progressive scanning.

A dvd player is now a commodity, not a luxury item. I'd bet that the majority of dvd players out there are cheapo ones bought for $50 or less. The Wii will be a great substitution.

<quote?If you want really good quality and maximum enjoyment -- stand alone is still the best choice (and it will spare the extra use on your consoles for gaming....after all GAMING is the real reason you bought it for right? ).
Who said anything about good quality and maximum enjoyment? Most people are not videophiles, therefore the wii is perfectly acceptable. You got people watching dvd's on those cheap portable players.
Not everyone is a videophile.


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By rushfan2006 on 11/20/2006 2:23:05 PM , Rating: 2
You basically just repeated the very perspective that spawned my post in the first place.

And for all you saying "not everyone is a videophile"....funny how you go around the sites and DVD/Movie playback is HUGE on the want list and folks say they will watch TONS of movies on their consoles.

Still following my logic? Keep following.....so then if you watch "tons of movies", doesn't it make sense -- if nothing else by from an investment stand point to have a cheap stand alone dvd player for the added features (which you glossed over btw -- like the audio options....so many people forget that High Def isn't just video....technically you aren't really using High Defintion unless you have both the video AND audio component, but I digress....) and the sheer fact of helping to perserve the longevity of your console for gaming?

That was my only point. I'm telling folks not to play movies on their consoles, who the hell am I to do that (not that anyone would care anyway...lol)....



RE: Wii DVD functionality
By Oregonian2 on 11/20/2006 2:39:34 PM , Rating: 2
Point about clutter is well taken, but I can't imagine someone buying a $250 game console being someone who hasn't already coughed up $40 or more for a DVD player already. Think I've seen some advertised for $30 too (on sale), for that matter.


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By BillyBatson on 11/20/2006 11:39:10 PM , Rating: 2
I understand what you guys are saying and yes standalone is better, almost anythgin stand alone is always better. there are still denon and other branded dvd players out there that go for $500 or more! and i hear their picture is like smooth glass. I myself have a sony dvd player both in my room and in the living room. My tv in the living room is a 42" Pioneer Plasma so even if the wii had DVD functionality i would not be using it to watch movies in the living room. However i would still like it to be able to for many reasons like i said clutter, maybe for the game room or my bedroom, for the convenience of taking it over to someone's house to play games and watch tv, or say when you go camping or traveling it is easier to take your wii than a wii and a dvd player.


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By Russell on 11/19/2006 7:05:24 PM , Rating: 5
Personally, I'm not going to buy a Wii until it acts as a dishwasher. I can't believe Nintendo would leave that functionality out! How foolish of them!


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By Jasagle on 11/19/2006 7:34:52 PM , Rating: 4
I'm not getting a Wii until they come out with a controller that doubles as a toaster. Nintendo really messed up this time..


RE: Wii DVD functionality
By heffeque on 11/20/2006 8:17:18 AM , Rating: 2
How come you have money for a Wii and not fot a $25 DVD player? Sad...


no dvd? no sale.
By 8steve8 on 11/19/06, Rating: -1
RE: no dvd? no sale.
By Holytrinity on 11/19/2006 8:48:36 PM , Rating: 4
The very fact that you will not purchase a Wii because it doesn't contain DVD playback functionality is the exact reason why you don't deserve to own one.

I don't mean to make a personal attack here, but if you won't buy a Wii because it can't play DVD's then it's obvious that you are interested in the console for the wrong reason.

Your logic is in the same league as that of a consumer deciding against the purchase of a standalone DVD player because it is incapable of playing videogames.


RE: no dvd? no sale.
By heffeque on 11/20/2006 8:23:50 AM , Rating: 2
It couldn't have been said in a better way.


RE: no dvd? no sale.
By Aikouka on 11/20/06, Rating: -1
RE: no dvd? no sale.
By drebo on 11/20/2006 4:30:15 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, if you're not satisfied with the fact that you can buy a new DVD player for $20...How about this?

You already have an XBox360, a PS2, and/or a PS3. All of which have games that cannot be played by the other, so you have no redundancy in your setup. That's three DVD players right there. WHY, then, do you need another one?

Not only that, but which of those supports the various Dolby schemes? Which has 5.1+ surroundsound output? Oh, right...none of them do. So, if I want to actually enjoy my DVD movie experience, I'm going to have a stand-alone player ANYWAY!

So, between my two-to-three consoles that play DVDs and my stand-alone DVD player with far better sound and video options...Please tell me again why I need yet another gaming console to play DVDs?

And, for someone who does not yet own a gaming console and the Wii is to be their first, it's a very fair bet that this person already has a stand-alone DVD player, and are thus not missing out on anything.

So stuff a sock in it already, no one cares. Those drama queens who are so stuck on the fact that they won't have nine-teen DVD players will just have to do without, which means more for the people who actually want one.


RE: no dvd? no sale.
By Aikouka on 11/21/2006 11:23:37 AM , Rating: 1
You essentially spewed out the same thing as everyone else, but with a bunch of assumptions in there.

- Someone owns every gaming console. You may've said "or", but then you said "three". Consistancy ftw.

- You attempted to generalize everyone as already owning a DVD player. Do I own one? No. Do I generalize everyone with myself? No. Do I bring up in any argument that some portion of the populous does or does not own one? No. Personally, I play all my DVDs in my computer if you were wondering.

- Everyone owns a DD certified sound system and because they do, this automatically matters?

Me? I just proved someone's logic to be illogical, because the argument was borderline retarded. It's about as bad as an anti-Sony person saying the PS3 doesn't play 200 PS2 games when they should say, the PS3 doesn't play 200 PS2 games properly (i.e. the sound is messed up at some points). Also, my post mentioned nothing about a $20 DVD player purchase being a poor reason.


Okay, now I'm going to explain this to you, drebo. Maybe you and everyone else will finally understand. You might not care that there's no DVD playing capabilities, but you are not everyone . There may be people who would like this feature, and for you and others to call them "unworthy of the Wii" is just a snob attitude.

The lack of a DVD playing ability affecting this guy's decision to buy one is his right as a consumer. Whether or not you agree with it is your own perogative. If you don't like it, good, go buy a Wii or play your Wii and the original poster won't. I won't buy one at the moment, because I think there aren't any games I want. Maybe sometime in the future there'll be a fun game that makes me purchase the Wii, but right now... there aren't any. The same goes for the PS3, and it took me a year to find games worthy enough to make me buy the XBOX 360.


RE: no dvd? no sale.
By drebo on 11/21/2006 1:27:59 PM , Rating: 2
Good job, idiot.

You just completely missed everything I said. Went right over your head. Way to go.

You know what? If you don't want to buy a Wii, good for you. No one cares. Now shut up and let those of us who did buy a Wii enjoy it for what it is: the most innovative gaming machine ever released.


RE: no dvd? no sale.
By Aikouka on 11/21/2006 2:31:04 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, now this shows what type of maturity I'm working with~

If I "missed what you said" how about I summarize your entire post for you:

Why do I need another item that plays DVDs if I have consoles that do it. Also, these consoles do not have support for high-quality dolby digital uber outputs, so I must use a stand-alone anyway to support such features. You suck, and gtfo because you "hate the Wii."

How was my summary? Pretty accurate I think.

Now see, your last paragraph is what pisses me off the most. This news post is not "dedicated solely to the posting of pro-Wii comments." You are so uptight and haughty because I played the console in my own home and found it deficient. In fact, I've read posts from other users on the AT forums or from reviews that talk about the same problems that I mentioned! Get off your high horse, drebo. Believe it or not, there are opinions other than your own in this world =].

Now, I'm going to bring up another point... what does innovation have to do with it? Didn't people argue that game consoles are all about the gameplay offered from the wide variety of games not the console itself? A game can lack motion sensing and still be fun (hence the inclusion of the legacy games). I have plenty of fun playing simplistic games like Lumines (PSP and XBL) or Every Extend (PSP and PC), which are nothing more than a directional pad and a button for controls. In short, innovation doesn't matter unless it's implemented well in games. To go off that, the complaints I've seen so far about the Wii are all about the implementation of the "innovative features."

Although to steer from the negative, I did have an amusing time creating my sexy Mii :P.


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