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PowerColor breathes new life into the aged AGP platforms, Asus readies "G80"

French tech site PCInpact claims PowerColor will be releasing a Radeon X1950 Pro based product for AGP systems. Images of the proposed Radeon X1950 Pro AGP graphics card are posted on PCInpact as well. The upcoming Radeon X1950 Pro AGP is expected to be clocked higher than its PCI Express counterparts at 600 MHz core and 700 MHz instead of the 575 MHz core and 690 MHz memory on PCI Express parts. In addition to the higher core and memory clocks, PowerColor will equip Radeon X1950 Pro AGP graphics cards with a quiet Arctic Cooling Accelero X2 cooling solution.

In other graphics card related news, XbitLabs has come across images of ASUS’ upcoming G80 GeForce 8800GTX graphics card. The images were originally posted on MyChat but it appears the images were removed. Nevertheless XbitLabs claims the upcoming GeForce 8800GTX graphics card features support for Direct X 10, shader model 4 and NVIDIA’s GigaThread technology, as previously reported by DailyTech. The upcoming card is also expected to support NVIDIA’s Quantum Effects Technology as well.

Two G80 graphics cards will be available including the EN8800GTX/HTDP/768M and EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M. As previously reported, the 8800GTX based card will have 768MB of graphics memory on a 384-bit memory interface while the 8800GTS variant will have 640MB of video memory on a 320-bit interface. Clock speeds of the 8800GTX variant are expected at 575 MHz core and 900 MHz memory.


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AGP
By gramboh on 10/25/2006 3:51:56 PM , Rating: 2
Good on Powercolor for bringing some AGP power to the table. If they are smart (and I suspect they are) they are going to price this baby at at least $350US maybe more, especially if its a 512MB version.

My rationale is that the 7800GS AGP is $240-299US on Newegg right now, and this would trump it in performance. Should be a good way for them to make a nice amount of cash.

I have an AGP system but won't be upgrading from my 6800GS unlocked to Ultra. My CPU (P4 2.6C@3.2) isn't fast enough for this type of card. I'll just wait and build a C2D PCI-e system down the road.




RE: AGP
By hubajube on 10/25/06, Rating: 0
RE: AGP
By Hare on 10/25/2006 4:19:54 PM , Rating: 5
People can't afford to buy a new mobo, new memory and a new videocard. If they could just buy a decent AGP-card I'm sure many would be thrilled. There are plenty of gamers with S939 A64 setups that are perfectly adequate except for the GPU. I think a competitive AGP-card will definately sell well enough to justify the production and design costs. Let's just hope that they'll price it well.


RE: AGP
By jkostans on 10/25/2006 5:27:43 PM , Rating: 2
My bro still has an A64 2.4Ghz 754 processor which is definitely fast enough for every game today. Jumping from a 9800 pro to a x1950 pro would give him an extra 3-4 years before he needs a new gaming system.


RE: AGP
By anonymo on 10/26/2006 7:03:22 AM , Rating: 2
This is me exactly...I will be looking to pick one up for sure.


RE: AGP
By Rob94hawk on 10/27/2006 1:44:20 AM , Rating: 2
A French website wrote this huh? I'll take this news with a grain of salt until I see the X1950 actually on newegg.

I have 2 A64 939 AGP systems and I have no intentions on going PCIE just because PCIE owners "think" AGP is dead. In terms of volume AGP systems > PCIE systems.

ATI and nVidia need to get their heads out of their asses and realise that not everyone is buying into this PCIE crap. Once they drop this arrogant train of thought, put down the crack pipe and start making the high end current AGP cards then will they realise what kind of $$$ they've been missing out on.



RE: AGP
By Rob94hawk on 10/27/2006 1:49:34 AM , Rating: 2
And only 256MB?!?! What baloney. I got all excited there for a second.

Lame. ATI had my money for sure and then they screwed up with 256MB instead of 512.

Maybe an nvidia card will do us all right so I can replace my X800XTPE with something much better.


RE: AGP
By ch78 on 11/7/2006 8:23:59 AM , Rating: 2
Don't just get dissappointed that quick, if you're so hungry for memory on the X1950 Pro AGP graphic board and need 512 Mb of memory instead of 256, check this out:
http://www.diamondmm.com/X1950PRO512AGP.php
No mistake there, Diamond also have a X1950 Pro AGP with 256 Mb of memory which you can find here:
http://www.diamondmm.com/X1950PRO256AGP.php
There you go.
I'll wait till these cards hit the shelves and see how they perform before deciding to buy one though.


RE: AGP
By stmok on 10/25/2006 5:21:49 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, people are very likely to buy this card. There is still a large market (despite what Marketing has led you to believe) of desktop users that still use AGP based systems.

Do you really think ATI and Nvidia are gonna turn their backs on 60% of the market when there is lots of money to still be made? Why do you think both companies still make AGP cards?

If AGP was really dead, there would be no trace of it left...Yet, both these companies still produce AGP variants.

Unlike enthusiasts, average PC users don't invest in regular upgrades. They use what they have, and if it does the job, they stick to it. They only upgrade or buy a new box if it breaks or can no longer do what they want.


RE: AGP
By QueBert on 10/25/2006 5:31:53 PM , Rating: 2
I can afford to upgrade, I'm just lazy. And my past history with Motherboards hasn't been great. I get unlucky and seem to get a board I have to RMA about 50% of the time (yes I know what I'm doing...) So I'm AGP. I mean my current board supports X2 cpu's, I have plenty of memory, a Raptor and uhhh aside from a video card, PCI-E systems offer nothing I want. I will buy this video card, even if it's $350. I will stick with AGP until this MB dies on me, then I will be forced to upgrade

my AGP video card cost close to 100 bucks more then a PCI-E equivlent. I could have bought a PCI-E card + MB for the same as I spent on my AGP. Not all of us AGP supports are poor ;)


RE: AGP
By FITCamaro on 10/25/2006 6:15:43 PM , Rating: 3
An AMD X2 rig with that AGP card would be fine for gaming. I recently upgraded and gave my old system to a good friend. Currently has a Athlon64 3200+ in it, 2GB of RAM, and a 6800GT. Plays every game out there at decent quality. Pop in a 2GHz X2 3800+, OC it a little, and pop in that GPU, it'd be a solid system for another few years.


RE: AGP
By johnsonx on 10/25/2006 7:43:40 PM , Rating: 5
ah, the PCI Express snobs are almost as bad as the power supply snobs.

We've been over this in past articles about AGP boards. Millions of users have perfectly good AGP systems that need nothing more than a new GPU run all current games with high settings. Whether you can afford it or not, replacing the mainboard is a headache at best, almost invariably requiring a re-install of Windows (and depending on platform replacing the mainboard could mean replacing the RAM and CPU too).

In contrast, swapping in a new AGP card is a simple operation that usually requires nothing more than a driver install (and maybe not even that if the card is from the same GPU vendor and you already had the latest driver installed).


RE: AGP
By xsilver on 10/25/2006 7:56:05 PM , Rating: 1
another example that proves the point is if u check out ebay or something for 128mb pci cards. People are still buying mx400's for huge markups in the belief that they dont have to upgrade their non-AGP motherboard. Yes in this case the motherboard actually constricts performance but it does have errie similarities to what is happening now.


RE: AGP
By kilkennycat on 10/25/2006 9:40:44 PM , Rating: 2
And a new power-supply !! Many ATX v1.x power-supplies do not have enough 12V current to power a modern video card besides all the other hardware, and certainly not an AGP version of the X1950 Pro. Remember that CD/DVD/roms/burners need about 2 amps of 12v for startup and modern hard-disks need about 1 amp for spin-up. And most of the CPU power now comes from +12V, so if you have upgraded your CPU - watch out, assume at least 8 amps peak there. Read the label on your power-supply. If less than 20 amps on +12V, potentially plan for an upgrade to an ATX v2.x power-supply, if you buy the X1950 Pro AGP. Symptoms include random crashes, particularly in 3D mode, general flakiness or even a failure to boot the system.


RE: AGP
By autoboy on 10/26/2006 2:44:19 PM , Rating: 3
I have no problems with my AGP x850xt, athlon x2 3800+, Raptor, DVD drive, and a few pci cards on my Seasonic Super Silencer 300 with 18A on the +12V rail. The fan in the power supply never even ramps up. I can't imagine the x1950pro being too much more power hungry. Then again, it is a Seasonic. The problems are the cheap no name power supplies in generic cases that claim 400W but are really rebranded 250W power ATX V1.3 power supplies. Some older thermaltake power supplies also come to mind.


RE: AGP
By tigen on 10/26/2006 8:53:16 PM , Rating: 2
The PCIE version is $200 (256MB). They'd be silly to price an AGP version much higher.


AWESOME!
By therealnickdanger on 10/25/2006 3:13:32 PM , Rating: 2
Not that I'll buy either of them, but it's still bloody radical to see pics of G80! I'll wait for the refresh before dumping my wheelbarrow of cash.




RE: AWESOME!
By AxemanFU on 10/25/2006 3:29:16 PM , Rating: 2
Does it ship with a 1500watt portable gasoline generator? I'm wondering when the day will come that starting a gaming machine is going to sound like a jet fighter warming up for takeoff..we'll be watching the kilowattmeter wheels spin into a blur on our power meters.

Seriously, pretty soon we're going to need 30 and 50 amp service to the "computer room" from the home power drop to run a gaming PC and all it's peripherals...heh.

All that being said, I bet the GFX will be sweet with DX10.


RE: AWESOME!
By edge929 on 10/25/2006 4:40:39 PM , Rating: 2
"I'm wondering when the day will come that starting a gaming machine is going to sound like a jet fighter warming up for takeoff"

*LOL* My rig already sounds like that thanks to my 3x 92mm Tornado fans on full! But seriously, power requirements for the latest and greatest video cards shouldn't need their own Hoover Dam. Sure, we upgrade CPU, memory and GPUs every so often but when was the last time you REALLY needed to upgrade your power supply? Those should have at least twice the longevity in a given system.

PS- Where can I get some DAM bait?


RE: AWESOME!
By stmok on 10/25/2006 5:16:54 PM , Rating: 2
[joking]

Actually, I heard Nvidia is shipping a Mr Fusion reactor with every GeForce 8800GTX. You see, news from Nvidia's R&D say the challenge was to find a large enough power source to actually start this GF card! Rumour has it, it requires 1.21 GigaWatts!

Naturally, Mr Fusion took up Nvidia's challenge and developed a micro version of their infamous reactor for the PC desktop market. Like previous designs, the reactor feeds on garbage.

Please note, the reactor supplements the existing PC's PSU. It does NOT replace it!

[/joking]

:D


RE: AWESOME!
By xsilver on 10/25/2006 7:59:10 PM , Rating: 2
lol
no mr fusion actually feeds on fanboi rumors....
it would run forever for free. :)


RE: AWESOME!
By PrinceGaz on 10/25/2006 7:18:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Seriously, pretty soon we're going to need 30 and 50 amp service to the "computer room" from the home power drop to run a gaming PC and all it's peripherals...heh.


Move from the US to the EU and your amperage requirements will be halved thanks to our higher mains voltage; here in Britain any normal household electrical socket can deliver 3KW (13 amps), and our standard wiring in use for several decades allows 30 amps in total to be drawn continuously from any mains wiring ring so pretty much any room in the house with a pair of sockets is able to provide about 6 kilowatts of power. Assuming you can afford to pay the electric bill, of course :)


RE: AWESOME!
By soydios on 10/25/2006 8:42:33 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'll be waiting until R700 or G90, which supposedly will rein in the absurd power/heat of the current and next generation GPUs.


All great news.
By WhiteBoyFunk on 10/25/2006 3:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
But I'm still looking to hear the latest and greatest from DAAMIT. Release of the G80 means more pressure for what I'm really looking for. An awesome piece of technology no doubt, with 384 bit interface, dx 10 and all - but honestly I couldn't care too much. I know this card will blaze though :o

<-- ATi fanboy




RE: All great news.
By Murst on 10/25/2006 3:40:30 PM , Rating: 2
What's ati?


RE: All great news.
By protosv on 10/25/2006 4:26:37 PM , Rating: 2
AMD+ATI=DAAMIT. Check the Inq.


RE: All great news.
By Ulfhednar on 10/25/2006 5:08:04 PM , Rating: 2
You know, the subdivision of AMD that AMD has clearly stated will exist under the ATI brandname and that the Radeon product family is going nowhere?


RE: All great news.
By Jkm3141 on 10/25/2006 3:41:34 PM , Rating: 2
I myself find it highly unlikely that its a single chip with 700 Million transistors. Thats more than double last generation in number of transistors. Not saying thats impossible, it just seems very very unlikely on the 90nm manufacturing process.


RE: All great news.
By jkostans on 10/25/2006 5:21:47 PM , Rating: 2
Well it definitely is, look at the size of the package:
http://www.tomshw.it/articles/20061024/8800%20GTS_...


RE: All great news.
By Etern205 on 10/25/2006 10:41:36 PM , Rating: 2
Mind providing a link to that article.
thanks! :)


By lemonadesoda on 10/25/2006 5:03:24 PM , Rating: 4
I'm in. Good job PowerColor.




By camped69 on 10/25/2006 5:14:36 PM , Rating: 2
Cheap C2D upgrade-
Asrock 945 with agp and whatever flavor Conroe you like.



By WhiteBoyFunk on 10/25/2006 5:43:06 PM , Rating: 2
My powercolor (Radeon x1900) has a lifetime warranty, as long as you still have the box. Is this typical of Powercolor cards? If so I am a huge fan for life.


680MB?
By Warder45 on 10/25/2006 3:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
Interesting memory config.




RE: 680MB?
By Warder45 on 10/25/2006 3:26:40 PM , Rating: 2
err 640MB


RE: 680MB?
By Xavian on 10/25/2006 6:50:52 PM , Rating: 2
reminds me of that famous quote "640k of RAM is all you'll ever need".


Boo Dual Slot Cooling Solutions
By phaxmohdem on 10/25/2006 3:44:35 PM , Rating: 3
Horray Beer!

I was really hoping that G80 would bring a die shrink, lower heat output, and a single slot cooling solution like my 7800GTX. :(

Not that it really matters in the broad scheme of things, I'm just anal like that.




I might buy one
By ajfink on 10/25/2006 9:37:46 PM , Rating: 1
I might buy one of these things myself to throw in a 3.06Ghz P4 system I got for free. Yay me.




RE: I might buy one
By daveybrat on 10/26/2006 7:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
There is still a large market for high-end AGP cards and i'm glad to see vendors still bringing them out.

Just look at the Leadtek 7600GT AGP card, it's almost always out of stock at Newegg. That was the card i almost bought until i saw this monster. I'll be looking at this myself when it hits the market.



hmmm
By ttnuagadam on 10/26/2006 11:08:11 AM , Rating: 3
damnit when are we going to see some fucking benchmarks for the g80!! there are cards floating around, someone fucking bench the thing.




Great news if...
By clayclws on 10/25/2006 3:49:56 PM , Rating: 2
Pictures of G80 and R600...in AGP versions...yeah....I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Or else, I'll have to come up with thousands of ringgit (our currency here) to upgrade to Core 2 Duo.




AGP
By Rocket321 on 10/26/2006 1:45:54 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks ATI/Powercolor - this is music to my ears!
I will definitly pick one up.

I just hope they price it somewhere near the PCI-e versions.




Just out of curiousity...
By Matrinix on 10/25/2006 7:59:13 PM , Rating: 1
Does anyone have any information about the GeForce Go 8800? I'm waiting until Intel Centrino "Santa Rosa" comes out to get my notebook, and if GeForce Go 8800 will be out then that would be so great. Any information would be greatly appreciated.




really news
By Lazarus Dark on 10/25/06, Rating: -1
RE: really news
By ADDAvenger on 10/25/2006 4:49:50 PM , Rating: 2
Oh the 1950pro on AGP is news, the G80 thing is old news yes, but you can't deny that the other half of the article is newsworthy.
I know I won't be buying any vid cards for quite a while, but I'm glad to see quality cards being made for past-gen systems that are still valid, because eventually my folks will want their computer upgraded and that's what they have, past-gen tech.
Realistically, we're not going to put a 1950pro in a sempron 3100 on socket 754, maybe a 1650pro, but not 1950. But for those that have say a sempy 3400 on socket 939 with integrated graphics and an AGP slot, this could be very interesting to them, especially as Vista nears.


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