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Windows Vista upgrade for a fee; Office 2007 upgrade for free

Microsoft today officially announced programs to provide holiday shoppers with low-cost upgrades to Windows Vista, which we first reported on earlier this month. New information for today is that Microsoft is offering a similar upgrade path for PCs pre-installed with 2003 Microsoft Office software to 2007 Microsoft Office.

The software giant says it is offering the Technology Guarantee program to consumers and small businesses from Oct. 26, 2006, through March 15, 2007.

“Our customers can shop for a new PC with confidence this holiday season because of the Express Upgrade to Windows Vista and Office Technology Guarantee programs,” said Mike Sievert, corporate vice president of Windows Client Marketing at Microsoft. “These programs ensure people will have a great experience with their Windows XP-based PCs today, and an even better one when Windows Vista and the 2007 Microsoft Office release become available.”

A number of computer manufacturers worldwide have confirmed plans to participate in the Express Upgrade to Windows Vista program. PCs carrying the Windows Vista Capable logo may be eligible for the program, but upgrade offers will vary among PC makers and region.

U.S. upgrades from Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 to Windows Vista Home Premium, and upgrades from Windows XP Professional, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition and Windows XP Professional x64 Edition to Windows Vista Business and Windows Vista Business 64, will be offered for a nominal fee. Upgrades from Windows XP Home Edition to Windows Vista Home Basic and to Windows Vista Home Premium will be offered at a 50 percent discount from the boxed product upgrade price, plus the cost of shipping and handling.

Customers will also receive upgrades from 2003 Office to comparable 2007 Office release products for the cost of shipping and handling when the product becomes available.

For more information, visit Microsoft's Express Upgrade page.



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Shafted Again by the Mighty Microsoft Corp.
By SunAngel on 10/25/06, Rating: 0
By shantiwuvstevin on 10/25/2006 1:37:42 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft didn't shaft you. You just happened to be one of the unlucky people that buys something full price only to see it go on sale the next day. Cut off dates are cut off dates. If Microsoft honored the Vista Capable sticker as grounds for upgrades, then the people who bought PCs or Laptops the day before "Vista Capable" was launched would be screwed. You cant win them all. Vista rocks and I'll easily drop $320 for 2 upgrade copies, one for me and one for my wife, for a kick@$$ OS that will last for 5+ years.


RE: Shafted Again by the Mighty Microsoft Corp.
By SunAngel on 10/25/2006 2:59:57 AM , Rating: 2
Normally, I'd agree with you. However, getting the OS for free would have been great. Yet, selling it (OS) for a discount for those already having bought Vista Capable machines (those machines tagged with a Vista Capable sticker) would have been reasonable also. Not fair having to pay the full upgrade price.

You don't agree? You'd rather pay full price when the day before you could have had it for free or reduced cost? Could it be your made of money? Who are you the son of Alan Greenspan? Do you always enjoy not benefiting from manufacturers incentives?


By heinsj on 10/25/2006 2:51:10 PM , Rating: 2
There's a lot of ways of getting Microsof software for free. After you have attended a couple of their events you should be swimming in free MS software. That's how I got Office 2003 Pro for nothing, others have received XP Pro and 2003 Server the same way.

If it really matters to you, why not return the laptop you just purchased and buy another in a couple of days, or wait until Vista is actually out and in the retail channel.


By shantiwuvstevin on 10/26/2006 1:27:47 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Could it be your made of money?


Nope. Not even close. I take advantage of sales and incentives when they happen, but when they don't happen I don't complain that they're not happening.


RE: Shafted Again by the Mighty Microsoft Corp.
By kilkennycat on 10/25/2006 3:03:17 AM , Rating: 1
Hopefully your OS hard-disk(s), motherboard and anything else monitored by the Vista validation code will last 5 years. The Vista Retail EULA (for all retail versions) only permits one re-validation by the original licensee (Section 15a). I have not looked at the OEM EULA, but the corresponding paragraph will either say ONE or NONE. More than one revalidation for any reason and you are legally screwed, with no legal recourse -- just go buy another copy of Vista. In contrast, the Windows XP EULA allows an unlimited number of transfers between "workstation computers" (i.e changed hardware) provided they are all in the possession of the legitimate licensee and the software is completely removed from the previous "workstation computer". Those who claim that the XP EULA always had an "implicit" ONE-transfer limit and that the Vista EULA is "really no different" are deliberately blowing legal smoke in the eyes of those with no legal training ( most consumers ). The EULA "signed" by the licensee when installing the software is the sole legal limit on usage - there is no such thing as an implicit limitation beyond that stipulated in the EULA.

With the Vista Retail EULA, for the very first time, Microsoft legally blocks enthusiasts and small system-builders from the hardware-upgrade freedoms with which they have become accustomed ever since DOS. And if Microsoft does not rigidly enforce the one-upgrade limit written in the Vista Retail EULA for EVERY legitimate licensee, then that provision of the EULA becomes "de facto" legally void.

For clarity on the subject of the Vista Retail EULA vs the XP Retail EULA, I refer you to Ed Bott's clear exposition:-

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=158

I was intending to buy at least two retail copies of Windows Vista Ultimate @ >$300 each. However, I frequently hardware-upgrade my systems - probably at least 3 times per XP installation in 5 years. So I am shelving any Vista purchases until Microsoft caves in and reverts to the hardware-upgrade terms of the XP EULA. That may take some time until the chorus of complaints becomes deafening enough to affect the stock-price. I personally have no intention of splurging an additional $300 for a "replacement" copy of Vista and zero additional benefit. Fortunately, I have a couple of spare XP licenses from machines that have been parted out and recycled, so I am quite happy to put these copies of XP into use on new hardware instead of Vista, while Microsoft ducks the Vista hardware-upgrade flak. It is going to be a very long time indeed before any non-Microsoft software mandates the use of Vista.


RE: Shafted Again by the Mighty Microsoft Corp.
By Krinosy on 10/25/2006 4:52:51 AM , Rating: 3
Learn to work around the rules you goddamned scare-mongerer. You're permitted to replace any parts other the the hard disk or motherboard as many times as you want. You're permitted to replace the motherboard or hard disk if they are faulty as much as you want, as long as you tell the operator on the reactivation line its a fault. Microsoft has no control whatsoever over your troubleshooting abilities.

So if, when you want to upgrade your motherboard or hard drive, you accidentally bump off a power cable from your motherboard or hard disk and are unable to troubleshoot the fault yourself, you can replace the item as faulty. Then call up the reactivation line, report a fault replacement and get reactivated. Suddenly discover that you now know how to make your faulty hardware work again.

Well dang, the sky isn't falling down after all. And as for you you'd be much much better off buying OEM licenses.


RE: Shafted Again by the Mighty Microsoft Corp.
By Hydrofirex on 10/25/2006 8:39:32 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the tip, but still: I have to lie to upgrade MY SYSTEM ?! That's not right. I should be able to use my LEGITIMATE copy on any computer I want. If I want to reinstall it every day on a different PC I own, I should be able to. I personally see no legal grounds for barring people from legitimate uses of a purchased product.

This is just a hassle luckily, but jeez, it kind of feels not right to have to call Microsoft to get permission to upgrade your system (more or less).

HfX


By freon on 10/26/2006 3:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
The legal ground is you are purchasing a license to use that software on ONE computer. This is the only way they have to make an attempt at enforcing that agreement. If you want to install a copy on multiple computers, you buy multiple licenses just like everyone else. If you dont agree to their license, then you dont buy the software.

BTW, MS officially says you have to change the HD and one other component to require re-activation. After 10 re-activations, you may face a bit of a hassle from them.


By heinsj on 10/25/2006 2:44:39 PM , Rating: 2
I've never lied to MS about upgrading my motherboard. I'm still waiting for them to say "No", but it has never happened. The only question they ever seem to care about is whether XP is installed on more than one computer... it's not.


By rushfan2006 on 10/25/2006 10:52:38 AM , Rating: 2
Wow long rant for nothing.

Trust me -- when the time comes you need to upgrade you'll be able to upgrade w/o worrying of having to buy another copy of Vista (assuming you already OWN a legal copy of Vista in the first place). I don't really care what the EULA says, the power is the people. It always has been. We vote with our dollars. If MS really sticks to its guns with what you mention, trust me the back lash on them in the form of MILLIONS of lost revenues (not to mention look for piracy to jump up even further as pissed off former customers say "screw this"...and go to "other means" to get a copy after they upgrade)....then you'll have all the industry news media writing about the debacle...may take awhile but MS will buckle to the pressure...guaranteed.

"Money Talks when Bullshit Just Walks"

Finally, like another poster already said its not like you need to be an uber genius to get around their own system.

Just report that something is broken bam don't..legitimate upgrade within current EULA guidelines. If you hate lying...then throw your Mobo against the wall - there you aren't lying that's it broke anymore.

Done..



By Wwhat on 10/25/2006 2:55:57 PM , Rating: 1
Now if you don't work for M$ I'd be very very and very surprised.


By lemonadesoda on 10/25/2006 5:07:41 PM , Rating: 2
... you won't be able to UPGRADE to Vista... since you installed your previous copy of Windows XP more than once. LOL. HAHAHA. SHAFTED ;-)


RE: Shafted Again by the Mighty Microsoft Corp.
By thejez on 10/25/2006 11:52:29 AM , Rating: 2
if you just purchased the computer then return it and then buy a different one tomorrow. problem solved.


By SunAngel on 10/25/2006 6:58:35 PM , Rating: 2
One word. Unethical.


Not upgrading
By feelingshorter on 10/25/2006 2:41:41 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not spending money on Vista until I buy a totally new 64 bit computer. I dont see the point of upgrading to an OS that will slow down my application performance. As computers become faster and cheaper, I'm not worried about not using Vista until 2-3 years when I do upgrade to a new pc.




RE: Not upgrading
By Visual on 10/25/2006 2:48:12 AM , Rating: 2
it slows down your brain


RE: Not upgrading
By rushfan2006 on 10/25/2006 10:59:03 AM , Rating: 2
Same here. But then I'm not running out right away to but it upon release either. There's really only one thing I can see right now to tempt me to upgrade to vista sooner than later...and that would only come with games that are A) Super uber cool awesome.. ;) and B) they are EXCLUSIVE with Dx10 (meaning no dx 9 support AT ALL)....

Then and ONLY then would I upgrade sooner (ok if someone walked up to me and gave me a 20 pound bag full of nothing but cash...then I'd upgrade sooner since money wouldn't be a concern..lol).

But back in the world of reality....I might be on my 2nd upgrade cycle from where I am today before I get Vista...so I'm sure my system will run it more than fine at that time.



A lil off-subject...
By clayclws on 10/25/2006 8:06:00 AM , Rating: 2
So, does anyone know if all popular design/graphic/cad programs work flawlessly on Vista or are there any Vista versions confirmed for release on or before Vista is released to the retail? I only know of Adobe Creative Suite 2.5 & 3.0.

I won't be switching over till all design/graphic/cad programs (that worked in WinXP) are compatible with Vista.




RE: A lil off-subject...
By glennpratt on 10/26/2006 4:48:00 PM , Rating: 2
Since ALL design/graphic/cad programs aren't compatible with Windows XP, you might want to rethink your question. Which ones do you use or are planning on using, make a list then check into it. Most programs work with Vista, you may have to select XP SP2 compatibility mode for some programs or run as administrator or both.

Or just use XP...


What about us self builders?
By Etern205 on 10/25/2006 10:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure why M$ would just have the upgrade program
for those who has purchase a new PC on the set dates.
How about us who don't want to buy a pre-built PC, like
those who builds a PC themselves? If we buy a XP professional ,then would we be eligible for the upgrade too?
M$ shoulda have came up with another upgrade program for
self builders. Buy XP pro on the set dates and
get Ultimate for free at no charge and free shipping and handling. :P Yeah, I know I must stop day dreaming. ^^'




RE: What about us self builders?
By smilingcrow on 10/26/2006 12:50:05 PM , Rating: 2
They used to do this for retail versions of Windows back in the day. I bought NT 3.51 Workstation Retail and was promised a free NT 4 Worksation upgrade, but they sent me NT 4 Server Full Retail by mistake!
I'm not sure if they still do this sort of thing.


I agree with the person above
By lemonadesoda on 10/25/2006 5:10:06 PM , Rating: 1
"Express" seems to have become Microsoft's favourite word for 2006. A bit overused, don't ya think?




RE: I agree with the person above
By Spivonious on 10/26/2006 4:48:03 PM , Rating: 2
I don't complain when MS gives me great development software for free :)



agreed
By daos on 10/25/2006 10:15:40 AM , Rating: 1
I totally agree with the man below. Well said.




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