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Core 2 Duo, the sequel

Intel’s latest roadmap outlines plans for Conroe’s 2007 refresh. The upcoming refresh of Intel’s Core 2 Duo processor will arrive at the same time as the upcoming Bearlake 3 series of chipsets. This will be the first time Intel has refreshed its recently released Conroe architecture. The refresh is quite minor this time around. Nevertheless the Conroe refresh raises the front-side bus up to 1333 MHz and adds Intel Trusted Execution Technology.

Intel Conroe Refresh
E6850 3 GHz
1333 MHz 4MB
E6800 2.93 GHz 1066 MHz 4MB
E6750 2.66 GHz 1333 MHz 4MB
E6650 2.33 GHz 1333 MHz 4MB

Three refreshed models will debut with the upcoming Bearlake 3 series chipsets. These models include the Core 2 Duo E6850, E6750 and E6650 clocked at 3 GHz, 2.66 GHz and 2.33 MHz respectively. At this point in time it doesn’t appear Intel has any plans for its Core 2 Extreme lineup, in terms of dual-core processors that is. Kentsfield Core 2 Extreme QX6700 will remain as Intel’s flag-ship enthusiast product.

In addition to the refreshed Conroe Core 2 Duo lineup, Intel will release one more 1066 MHz front-side bus endowed Core 2 Duo product. The upcoming Core 2 Duo E6800 will arrive clocked at 2.93 GHz—similar to Intel’s Core 2 Extreme X6800. The processor is expected to be Intel’s flagship processor for mainstream segments. Aside from the locked multiplier, the Core 2 Duo E6800 is identical to the Core 2 Extreme X6800.

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By coldpower27 on 10/17/2006 3:10:01 PM , Rating: 0
The E6850 is perfect, as it has the same clock frequency but Conroe's IPC will put it ahead of the 6000+ as well. So Intel doesn't lose the clock speed crown.

By Pirks on 10/17/2006 3:17:50 PM , Rating: 1
where did you get that clock data on X2 6000?

By webdawg77 on 10/17/2006 3:25:49 PM , Rating: 2
AMD’s mainstream dual-core lineup will receive a couple new updates as well. Also arriving in November will be new Athlon 64 X2 6000+, 5600+, and 5400+. This will be AMD’s first new Athlon 64 X2 processor launch since the launch of the socket AM2 platform—Athlon 64 X2 5200+ excluded. These processors will have 3.0 GHz and 2.8 GHz clock speeds respectively.

By Pirks on 10/17/2006 6:49:10 PM , Rating: 1
yeah, you can call single core PCs a low end budget drap or whatever - I don't care what ppl call 'em as long as $150 single core Athlon 64 beats any $150 dualcore to death in the games I play. When dual-core friendly games appear next year or maybe in 2008 - THEN it'll be different story. maybe.

By ScythedBlade on 10/17/2006 5:32:54 PM , Rating: 2
They won't ... they can easily just up the clockspeed. My Allendale is running at 3.6 Ghz ... no sweat, on air. What makes you think Intel won't just increase the Ghz ...

It's so sad. AMD WAS good, but it was crap at being overclocked. COMPLETE CRAP. This is my first built Intel computer ... and a 69% overclock from 2.13 to 3.6? ... Dude ... it's nowhere near the 200 and 400 unstable Mhz overclock I got on AMD processors ... (Dude, you can even get a 50% overclock [>1000Mhz] at less than STOCK voltages) And I'm using "value" memory for my Intel system, too.

By othercents on 10/17/2006 5:41:07 PM , Rating: 4
It's so sad. AMD WAS good, but it was crap at being overclocked.

Last year everyone was singing the praises of AMD and how Intel could not be overclocked, but now everyone is bashing AMD and singing the praises of Intel. Keep in mind that Intel released a new processor design and AMD has not done one yet. They will and when it happens I would expect everyone to start bashing Intel and singing the praises of AMD again.

This reminds me of the stock market where everyone talks bad about the one stock that is really low. However if you are smart and BUY low then when the it starts to climb you will make money. Counter intuitive. However I can't wait to see what AMD comes up with especially their total package with ATI chipset and video cards.


By ScythedBlade on 10/17/2006 7:52:45 PM , Rating: 3
Actually ... ummm ... I didn't "hand-pick" stuff ... in fact, I was only expecting my thing to go to at most 2.4Ghz ... all my parts are mainstream/cheap stuff ... it just turns out that the stuff pwns ... (Intel's stuff was VERY overclockable ... except it just didn't yield performance during the Netburst era) ... There's the counter to your post, anyhow.

By ScythedBlade on 10/17/2006 9:31:16 PM , Rating: 1
24 hours orthos

wait, how about i just put an end:

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By Etern205 on 10/18/2006 10:17:30 AM , Rating: 2
The reason why your rig fails from overclocking is because you do not know how to overclock correctly. Overclocking a rig does not mean you just over clock a cpu and that's it. There are other things to consider as well such as ram and FSB. Also stock cooler are no use once you OC a cpu, you need better 3rd party cooler or some might go for water cooling.

By ScythedBlade on 10/18/2006 6:44:06 PM , Rating: 3
The stock cooler that Intel gives you is enough. My temps never reach throttle point (76C or so), so thats how. I also got 2 Gbs of Patriot ram for 120 dollars ... but now at newegg, they upped the price to 250. Damn em .... making THAT much more profit .... wholesale price was probably very cheap.

By Unknown255 on 10/18/2006 6:30:18 PM , Rating: 2
Technically, the value ram tested on Anandtech have been reaching high clocks, but the DDR ram when you bought it might have not been so good. Therefore, it's most likely the ram's fault. Then again, you might have a bad CPU from a batch ... and you can always divide it less for a better CPU overclock. From what I can see from forum browsing, however, is that many more people are getting over 1Ghz overclocks on Core 2 Duo, even on value ram (most likely because of the increased latency on the 965 chipset helps also) than 400 Mhz overclocks on AMD processors (referring to older Athlons anyway).

{BTW, I found this great deal a long time ago on You can get a kick-ass Arctic Freezer Pro 64 or 7 at At 17 dollars and possibly better than the Zalman 9500 at cooling, I would consider it cheap.}

By qwertzuiop on 11/4/2006 10:38:37 PM , Rating: 2
You can also clock down the RAM to lower dividers than 1:1 (I think the least ist 2:3 on the Boards that use dividers) w/o loosing as much performance as you lost on the nForce 2 based socket A systems.

By Jedi2155 on 10/18/2006 1:42:12 AM , Rating: 3
Why spend money on the aftermarket? Its because you can get better than top of the line performance at a signifcantly lower cost. You can't buy a 3.6 GHz Core 2 Duo, even if you could it would cost/benefit is far less than just overclocking something that is a quarter of the cost.

I may be the extreme, but I am contemplating getting a Quad Core due to the fact that my multi-tasking seems to be constantly putting dual cores to 100% usage. However the market is out there and I'm just trying to say that i'm one of them waiting anxiously for quad-cores.

I'm a big gamer as well and i've done my fair share of research into multi-threaded gaming which is currently showing that a lot of developers are getting into it. More and more games like Company of Heroes are also supporting dual core and we can only wait to see more.

By Pirks on 10/18/2006 1:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
well, I've got the impression that one needs expensive water cooling to buy E6300 and then reach same speed as an extreme C2D chip (stock 3 GHz for X6800 or close to 3 GHz... forgot the number), and in the end it'll cost the same amount of dough. so my premise was that C2D extreme (X6800 that is) equals to decent OC watercooling setup price-wise. am I wrong here?

By Joepublic2 on 10/18/2006 5:32:18 PM , Rating: 2
Yes. I have a 6300 (1860Mhz) @ 2870Mhz (passed dual prime at 3325Mhz with a friend's DDR2-1000). At default vcore (1.325v), it reaches 60C dual prime95 with the stock cooler (which is perfectly fine). Both cores are prime stable with 1.2v @ 2870Mhz; it doesn't break 52C with the stock heatsink's fan only spinning up halfway. My results aren't atypical, either.

By Pirks on 10/18/2006 8:48:38 PM , Rating: 2
well, if this is really easy to hit 3 GHz with E6300 on air... I guess I should try it then. or maybe wait a little till 65nm athlons are out and see if it's gonna be as easy to hit 3GHz with them as well. thanks anyway, I'll try to find info on some soft OC setups where you can change CPU/RAM/GPU clocks right in windows w/o reboot so that I'd be able to OC system for some heavy game but run it slow and quiet most of the time (i.e. when I don't play) - any thoughts/advice on that aspect?

By Jedi2155 on 10/20/2006 9:30:39 PM , Rating: 2
I remember Anandtech hit 4 GHz with a ES E6600 on Air (Sunbeam's Tunic Tower 120 Cooler). I've found that one should be able to easily hit 3 GHz with a good motherboard and good air cooling.

By JackPack on 10/17/2006 5:46:24 PM , Rating: 1
LOL. Too "extremist."

How's your K6 working out for you?

By thecoolnessrune on 10/17/2006 9:36:43 PM , Rating: 3
actually I have a K6-2 400Mhz being used as a test server (its installing Ubuntu right at this moment) it seems to be working out pretty good :P

By Pirks on 10/18/2006 1:23:26 PM , Rating: 2
I have no issues with 2.2 GHz K7 Barton playing games (UFO: Aftershock is the only one that needs much fastyer CPU) and I can watch Hi Def video up to 1080p, but NOT with stock windows/qt codecs - gotta get some "aftermarket" codecs, so to say (coreavc - hint hint!)

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