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Sapphire Radeon X1650 Pro AGP

Sapphire Radeon X1300XT AGP
Budget and mid-range AGP products ready for Vista

Sapphire today announced two new AGP-based graphics cards. The newly announced graphics cards include the Radeon X1650 Pro AGP and X1300XT AGP. These new cards are similar to previously released Radeon X1600 Pro and X1600XT for PCI Express. Sapphire’s Radeon X1650 Pro AGP features 12 pixel shaders and a core clock of 590 MHz. Radeon X1650 Pro cards are equipped with 256MB of GDDR3 video memory connected via 128-bit memory bus. Memory is clocked at 690 MHz. Other notable features include dual-link DVI and TV-out.

The Radeon X1300XT arrives in two flavors equipped with 256MB of GDDR3 or 512MB of DDR2 video memory. Models equipped with 256MB of video memory are clocked at 500 MHz while 512MB models are clocked at 400 MHz. As with the Radeon X1650 Pro AGP, the X1300XT AGP has 12 pixel shaders as well. However, the Radeon X1300XT AGP has a lower core clock of 500 MHz. Features such as dual-link DVI and TV-out are available as well.

Availability and pricing is unknown at the moment, though expect the Radeon X1650 Pro AGP to be priced south of $150 while the Radeon X1300XT AGP should be priced south of $100.

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Vista Ready ??
By Tedtalker1 on 10/6/2006 3:06:24 PM , Rating: -1
Funny how these are DirectX 9 cards but hype the Vista Ready moniker.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/6/2006 3:07:56 PM , Rating: 1
Funny how some idiots still persist Vista requires DX10

RE: Vista Ready ??
By armagedon on 10/6/2006 4:21:42 PM , Rating: 3
why do you have to treat the guy as an idiot just because he made a mistake ? You should be more sensible as there's a lot a stuff like all of us you don't know sh* about.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/6/2006 4:45:23 PM , Rating: 5
yeah I was too harsh, my apologies then. I just encountered third such comment in one day, and was a bit irritated by amount of people making such, uh, inappropriate comments, I mean it's a tech board so please go flood your nonsense into some general public forum where others also don't know $h1t about it... but anyway I shouldnt' have posted that - too bad one can't delete harsh posts here :\

RE: Vista Ready ??
By DigitalFreak on 10/6/2006 5:29:09 PM , Rating: 4
Because if you don't know what you're talking about, you should keep your mouth shut (or your hands off the keyboard). This world would be so much better off if everyone did that.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By armagedon on 10/6/2006 6:19:51 PM , Rating: 4
man i'm sure you're fun guys to be with. You're sure that you know everything and no on else should post here. I guess you are at the wrong place. It's not an expert tech discussion, it's an open forum on mostly technical news for anyone. Where you exchange ideas and LEARN from others while having fun and not being ridiculed.
I do participate on other technicals forums but i appreciate this one for it's freedom and some of the comments really crack me up and are so funny. Just read the next thread for a clue how to do it. But maybe you need to work on your personnality first.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By aGreenAgent on 10/6/2006 6:23:29 PM , Rating: 2
What does it matter what Vista can run? The point isn't that it won't work with Vista, but that Vista is trumpeting the new DX10 model, and companies are putting the Vista logo on a technology that is halfway through the out door.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/6/2006 6:36:36 PM , Rating: 2
there's a big difference between "trumpeting" and "requiring" and I like to bash people who don't have a clue about this difference. I know bashing is childish but sometimes I just can't hold off ;)

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Wwhat on 10/7/2006 9:40:33 AM , Rating: 1
I still say that if DX10 games arrive and people cannot play them on their VISTA-ready card they are right to feel duped, and I bet a class action suit would reach the courts too.
In effect DX10 cards are a requirement for vista because if you didn't want to play games you would not use windows but linux would you not.
I also like to point out that microsoft has a pdf for requirements for vista and they have several categories for readyness, I imagine the highest category will actually state a DX10 card is "required".

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/7/2006 11:41:12 AM , Rating: 2
man, that's still your bright imagination only - it is NOT vista requiring DX10, it's GAMES requiring DX10. so technically you're wrong. you just lumped together words "vista" and "dx10 game" and then decided that they are equivalent. and if it was not enough you decided that MS somewhere in some mythical "requirements" does "require" dx10 for vista - unfortunately everything you say about this stuff is so far from reality I beginning to wonder why are you saying this in the first place?

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Wwhat on 10/7/2006 2:21:17 PM , Rating: 1
It seems to me it's you who are committed to sticking to your pedantic point too, did you get the pdf and check?
Yes vista works with DX9 cards, and XP works with DX7 cards, but it would be pathetic even for non-game use to use DX7 cards on XP nowadays.
Even if it were true that not even in microsoft's highest category they mentioned a DX10 card as required it's still required enough in practise once DX10 games are out, required to play DX10 games.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/7/2006 2:34:20 PM , Rating: 1
see, you just mentioned it yourself! you just said "_GAMES_ will require DX10" - bingo! this is what I was talking about from the beginning. now, there's a little additional point which finally decimates all your beautiful illusions - tell me please HOW MANY YEARS do you think it'll take until first DX10 ONLY game appears that DOES NOT WORK on DX9 hardware?

once you think about this little question and realize the answer - you'll finally laugh at what you've been thinking just 5 mins ago ;)

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Wwhat on 10/8/2006 1:05:32 PM , Rating: 1
The time it takes until games arrive is pretty much unkknown, I don't even know when microsoft released their DX10 information to developers, or how excited and eager they are, or which companies have how many people working on projects.
You know much of the development of games is the actuall modeling and mapping and you could certainly speed that up if you outsourced that to 500 people in india for instance, works for handmade carpets after all, if you could reduce that part of development the time can be reduced to 40% or even 30% of normal.
Then there's the famous rehash policy gamecompanies have, they could just take an old game, add some dx10 stuff and change the look a bit and rehash it as a new game.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/10/2006 2:21:12 PM , Rating: 2
which still makes number of DX10 ONLY (without ANY DX9 supoprt) titles precisely zero, for at least next year, which, in its turn, makes your claim "Vista requires DX10" even more ridiculous.

in fact, the situation is this: "there will be some games in near future which will work on both DX9 and DX10 hardware, and this will be THE ONLY thing that even touches DX10 for the next year"

measuring the distance between your claims and the assessmnet of the real situation with DX10 above is the exercise I leave to the readers of this thread.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By johnsonx on 10/6/2006 3:54:49 PM , Rating: 3
Funny how you don't know what you're talking about. At this point Vista Ready signifies two things for a video card:

1) It has driver support for Vista
2) It supports the Aero-Glass GUI

That's it. DX10 doesn't exist yet.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Wwhat on 10/7/2006 10:03:54 AM , Rating: 2
Sure it doesn't exists, they are developing DX10 games in their minds eye are they? I'm impressed.

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/7/2006 11:43:38 AM , Rating: 2
once you stop making notions of "game" and "vista" equivalent (please trust me - vista is an OPERATING SYSTEM, and it is _NOT_ a GAME) you'll suddenly realize the truth - just try this for a sec ;)

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Wwhat on 10/8/2006 12:59:55 PM , Rating: 2
Linux is an OS, windows is a game-shell.
(ok that was trolling a bit)

RE: Vista Ready ??
By Pirks on 10/10/2006 2:23:02 PM , Rating: 2
I hear the same shit from dozens of Mac morons beside me - it's actually true for some tasks, but not for everything, fortunately ;)

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