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Gentlemen, start your DirectX10 engines

DailyTech received its first looks at a GeForce 8800 production sample today, and by the looks of it, the card is a monster: at least with regard to size and power requirements.

The GeForce 8800 comes in two flavors, which we will get into more detail about over the course of the next few days.  The first card, the GeForce 8800GTX, is the full blown G80 experience, measuring a little less than 11 inches in length.  The GeForce 8800GTS is a cut down version of the first, and only 9 inches in length.

The marketing material included with the card claims NVIDIA requires at least a 450W power supply for a single GeForce 8800GTX, and 400W for the 8800GTS.  Top tier vendors in Taiwan have already confirmed with DailyTech that GeForce 8800 cards in SLI mode will likely carry a power supply "recommendation" of 800W.  NVIDIA's GeForce 7950GX2, currently the company's top performing video card, carries a recommendation of 400W to run the card in single-card mode. 

NVIDIA is slated to launch both versions of the GeForce 8800 in November of this year.  More details on the GeForce 8800 will be available later today on DailyTech.

Update 10/05/2006: We originally reported the GeForce 8800GTX and 8800GTS are 9" in length.  The reference design for the 8800GTX is actually a little less than 11 inches.  The GTX has two 6-pin power adaptors, the GTS has only one.


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Is this where we're going?
By keitaro on 10/5/2006 2:29:24 AM , Rating: 3
It's mentioned already how power-hungry this bad boy will be. But is this really the direction we're going for 3D performance?

We all know that as technology advances, the process of producing these chips become cheaper (due to better fabrication process) and the products themselves become smaller. It'll also generate less heat and consume less energy should the chip be tweaked to be more efficient. This is all commonly true in most respect. Yet I cannot help but wonder... is this really true?

In the Pentium era, the most we ever need was probably a 100W(??) power supply. We're now at an era where we need 300W to 500W just to power some of our stuff. The video cards keep getting more and more power hungry. But is it getting any more efficient at using these power?

Intel's move to be more energy efficient is long overdue and their Core 2 designs show that they have succeeded in making the processor more powerful but without the need of being power hungry or dissipate a lot of heat. I'm sure both NVIDIA and ATI do not have the luxury of doing that. But somehow I am starting to think that both need to look at how their product is designed and what they are aiming for.

I'm all for more 3D power as long as it isn't something requiring some insane configuration. But am I wrong to think that this is getting out of hand? It's understandable that there's an extreme market for high-end products. But what about those who have the money to spend but also spends wisely on what high-end products to buy?

My concerns on this and possibly all future 3D card products are how much more power are we going to need? I still feel it's crazy to have something like a 1 kilowatt power supply readily available at retail and e-tail. And I question if this is the direction computers should be heading towards.

The power requirement and power consumption of the G80 only makes me believe that somehow, in some form or another, console systems (ie. Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3) are better investment for gaming.




RE: Is this where we're going?
By kelmon on 10/5/2006 3:26:05 AM , Rating: 2
I'm in total agreement. The graphics card industry has been nuts for the last few years and the problem is only getting worse.

Wake me when the power available by one of these cards is in a form that doesn't require its own power station and can be used in a laptop or something.


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By Googer on 10/5/2006 9:02:11 AM , Rating: 2
I think you may be wrong.

The last thing I read about Vista is that the Looking Glass Aero interface will be using DX9 render the user interface.


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Pirks on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By Pirks on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By nilepez on 10/5/2006 9:36:39 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And yes once you have DX10 games you need a DX10 gfx card to play them, ie it becomes a requirement in a sense, and DX10 will only be available on vista.


Unfortunately, this statement is also incorrect. Crysis, for example, is a DX10 game. Just because a game has DX10 features, doesn't mean it can't run on DX9 hardware or that it's incompatible with DX9.

It's unlikely that DX10 will be required for ANY game for at least 2 years. Game companies aren't in the business of cutting out 90% more more of their potential customers.


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Pirks on 10/6/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/8/2006 12:45:32 PM , Rating: 1
Dummies, I plurarlised! :)
btw if a DX10 games uses the geometryshader for nurbs or something good luck having that run on a dx9 card.


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Pirks on 10/10/2006 2:41:01 PM , Rating: 1
and if you remove all these "if"s from your statements there won't be much left :))) not a sign of "Vista requires balahblah"

just try to remove all those "if"s and enjoy the result ;)


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/5/2006 1:33:59 PM , Rating: 3
Oh and no private individual likes to waste money, and no sensible person wants a computer that uses up 1000 Watts and gets hotter than a heater.


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Pirks on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/5/2006 5:04:07 PM , Rating: 3
I found that the cheapest most stingy people are also the richest, if you did not then it must be your daddy who has the money, or you are some hiphop star.


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Pirks on 10/5/06, Rating: -1
RE: Is this where we're going?
By MrFluffo on 10/5/2006 4:01:35 PM , Rating: 3
I like to waste money.... on stuff i want.


RE: Is this where we're going?
By Wwhat on 10/8/2006 12:46:48 PM , Rating: 1
If you want it is it a waste then? I sense selfrespect issues possibly O_o


RE: Is this where we're going?
By del on 10/6/2006 5:01:37 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm in total agreement too. I'm not going to use an SLI configuration for GeForce 8800 GTX... haha... I'm just going to go with the single card solution. Not to mention that there aren't many PC games being made these days; using a console
is a better option. Nevertheless, PC will always be the ultimate gaming platform in terms of performance.


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