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Studio boss knocks Blu-ray for poor image quality, high price

It looks as though Sony just can't catch a break these days in the news. Last week we learned that Sony was delaying the European launch of its PlayStation 3 from November 17 to March of 2007 along with the announcement that an initial batch of 500,000 total units would be available for the November 11 Japanese launch and November 17 North American launch. The launch delay/shipment reduction is due to Sony's problems with manufacturing blue laser diodes used by the Blu-ray drive on the PS3.

Well today, we learn of even more bad news for the Sony camp. Craig Kornblau, president of Universal Studios Home Entertainment, came out swinging against the Blu-ray standard calling HD DVD the "hands down" winner in the next generation movie formats. "Look at the blogs, look at the reviews by the early adopters and even look at the mainstream media – HD DVD has maintained its first-to-market advantage and delivered on the promises of providing the best high definition image and sound quality at the best value for consumers today," said Kornblau.

Kornblau is likely referencing three head-to-head comparison reviews done on Blu-ray and HD DVD versions of 'Training Day,' 'Kiss Kiss Bang Bang' and 'Rumor Has It....' In those comparison tests done by High-Def Digest in early August, HD DVD clearly came out ahead of Blu-ray in image quality. The Blu-ray titles featured increased noise/artifacting and darker overall color casting. Issue of cropping also popped up with the three Blu-ray titles tested.

However, a more recent test by High-Def Digest produced more promising results from the Blu-ray camp. 'Firewall,' 'Lethal Weapon,' 'Blazing Saddles' and 'Full Metal Jacket' were tested this time around. With the exception of 'Full Metal Jacket,' the titles this time around used VC-1 compression instead of MPEG-2 resulting in much improved image quality across the board:

But to summarize, with this batch there is no clear "winner." If last time Blu-ray took more than its fair share of slings and arrows over picture quality and the format's reliance (up until now) on MPEG-2, this time the more level playing field has helped close the gap between Blu-ray and HD DVD. If nothing else, our second Blu-ray versus HD DVD face-off strongly indicates that what some people had declared a format war won is still far from over.

So while Kornblau is right in pointing out HD DVD advantages in pricing and availability, the image quality debate is still alive and well.



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By Chillin1248 on 9/18/2006 11:22:27 AM , Rating: 2
Eclipsed Aurora is now officially a Sony spokesperson.

He has yet to respond to my comments on the PS3 thread that nullifies his aggressive HD-DVD and Xbox360 hatred.

According to a test conducted with IEEE member magazine Xplore, HD-DVD's visual quality is far below BD. It is only comparable with best DVDP with 1080i upsampling capability.


It is impossible, I repeat impossible, for the VC1 codec or MPEG-4 to be below MPEG-2 levels with the source material availible (current BD vs HD-DVD movies); and if it is the same codec against each other... Well then there is no difference except in the players produced.

I just worry Toshiba, the company that never had any good repetation on quality visual device product, can ever produce any quality player/recorder.


" No quality visual product "...

That is where you are definately a Sony salesperson. Toshiba is one of the best to do with any visual products. I have been to several boardrooms of million dollar, and a billion dollar, business headquarters; and I have seen Toshiba projecters there but never a Sony yet mind you [this is against the no quality comment]. I personally own a Toshiba projecter and can attest to this. On the other hand I am very happy with my Sony camera, however their movie camera needs a lot of work; particularly in getting its own software (Sony Vegas 6) to recognize it.

Please, don't always put the focus on Sony when talking about BD. It's a traditional DailyTech article as DailyTech never says something positive for Sony. May be it is becox of Sony had never pay $ to DailyTech for advertisement.

[Side point: It is "because" and not "becox" ]

I agree with you on this, however I feel it to be more the bias of the Dailytech writters than Toshiba giving any money; or Sony for that matter. However every ying has a yang, and the problem is that there is not much happy news to report from the BD or PS3 camps these days is there?

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By EclipsedAurora on 9/18/2006 11:21:02 PM , Rating: 2
Eclipsed Aurora is now officially a Sony spokesperson.
Sorry, I support Pioneer BD player than Sony. It seems that u are running out of reasonable points now to continue to proof ur HD-DVD is better arguement

It is impossible, I repeat impossible, for the VC1 codec or MPEG-4 to be below MPEG-2 levels with the source material availible (current BD vs HD-DVD movies); and if it is the same codec against each other... Well then there is no difference except in the players produced.
Why impossible? Can u give me any reason?
But instead I can give u excellent technical explaination for why currently VC-1 and H.264 can't able to match with MPEG2 in some area. Both codecs are too new and unmature for today. Yes VC-1 and 264 are shine in low bitrates due to better achitecture, but when birtate is high MPEG2 outweights anything VC-1 and 264's achitecuteral advantage with more mature and proofen codecs.

Same things similar happened in audio compression format, when AAC sound better than mp3 under 128KHz, while good mp3 codec like Lame can beat down any AAC encoder beyond 192KHz. Obvisously time is needed for codec developers to unlock the full potential of the format.


By Chillin1248 on 9/19/2006 12:56:50 AM , Rating: 2
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Why impossible? Can u give me any reason?
But instead I can give u excellent technical explaination for why currently VC-1 and H.264 can't able to match with MPEG2 in some area. Both codecs are too new and unmature for today. Yes VC-1 and 264 are shine in low bitrates due to better achitecture, but when birtate is high MPEG2 outweights anything VC-1 and 264's achitecuteral advantage with more mature and proofen codecs.


Ok, first of all the MPEG-2 codec that was used was mighty similar to the codec of regular DVDs due to the fact that the BD media backers couldn't get their act together and re-encode and release a proper MPEG-4 (I doubt VC-1 as it is Microsoft who is on the HD-DVD camps talking about backers), however now finally we have some coming out in the newer codecs with higher image quality. You are certainly not suggesting that the studios just went from the "superior" MPEG-2 to the "immature" MPEG-4 codec and gained image quality in most reviews along the way by mistake do you?

I would like to see the source that says that MPEG-2 have higher quality at the same bit-rate as MPEG-4 or VC-1.

Sorry, I support Pioneer BD player than Sony. It seems that u are running out of reasonable points now to continue to proof ur HD-DVD is better arguement

Oh pardon me, I was just mistaken because of your wonderful rant in the previous thread about how godlike the PS3 was and how pathetic the Xbox360 was.

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By EclipsedAurora on 9/18/2006 11:34:41 PM , Rating: 2
That is where you are definately a Sony salesperson. Toshiba is one of the best to do with any visual products. I have been to several boardrooms of million dollar, and a billion dollar, business headquarters; and I have seen Toshiba projecters there but never a Sony yet mind you [this is against the no quality comment]. I personally own a Toshiba projecter and can attest to this. On the other hand I am very happy with my Sony camera, however their movie camera needs a lot of work; particularly in getting its own software (Sony Vegas 6) to recognize it.

May be u really don't know anything in AV. Sony has the highest market share in high quality projectors. Her Qualia SXRD projector is always recognized as the best in consumer products. For professional products, Sony is the only producer of 4 to 8MP projectors that used in any latest digital cinema in the World.

Even best cinemas/theaters in the world use Sony projector, don't tell me that your cheapie Toshiba for businees presentation purpose is skyrocks.


By Chillin1248 on 9/19/2006 1:05:11 AM , Rating: 2
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May be u really don't know anything in AV. Sony has the highest market share in high quality projectors. Her Qualia SXRD projector is always recognized as the best in consumer products. For professional products, Sony is the only producer of 4 to 8MP projectors that used in any latest digital cinema in the World.

Even best cinemas/theaters in the world use Sony projector, don't tell me that your cheapie Toshiba for businees presentation purpose is skyrocks.


Very cute.

The reason I heard for the Toshiba projecters, is because they are reliable. I personally have yet to come across a two problems with mine (only problem I ever had was the first time hooking it up and getting it to recognize).

I would also like sources for your highest marketshare, as last I checked NEC has control of the projector market right now. While you're at it, throw in the sources please that, "Sony is the only producer of 4 to 8MP projectors that used in any latest digital cinema in the World".

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By peternelson on 9/19/2006 12:55:53 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with Eclipsed Aurora that Sony is a leading player in the DIGITAL CINEMA market.

Whilst Christie 2K projector is good and popular for normal 2K (I've viewed that myself at IBC broadcasting conference), Sony have pushed boundaries into higher resolutions for example,

"SXRD 4K. And the Sony SRX-R110CE in the Sony CineAlta range is claimed to be the only projector designed to meet DCI specs for 4K resolution."

Source: BKSTS: The moving image society, "Training for Digital Projection: A reference guide to digital cinema", Sept 2006, page 4


By EclipsedAurora on 9/18/2006 11:41:36 PM , Rating: 2
One thing I forgot to mention, for Projectors, JVC and Mitsibishi are also good choice in high end market beside Sony. Meanwhile, Toshiba had never has any product listed in high end projectors, or at least at the same class of what best JVC,Mitsubishi and Sony projector products are addressing.

But hopelessly both JVC/Panasonic and Mitsubishi are backers of BD, not HD-DVD.

Please move your focus away from Sony with BD. BD is also backed by plenty of other black hose manufacturers!

[Becox is always used in ICQ/MSN messenges as an representaion of because]


By Chillin1248 on 9/19/2006 1:23:23 AM , Rating: 2
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Please move your focus away from Sony with BD. BD is also backed by plenty of other black hose manufacturers!


Well then, let's look at HD-DVDs lineup:


Memory-Tech Corporation
NEC Corporation
Sanyo Electric Co
Hitachi Corporation
Acer Inc
Canon Inc.
Cyberlink Corp.
Digital Theater Systems
Entertainment Network Inc.
Hitachi Maxell
Fuji Photo Film Co
Imation Corp.
Intervideo, Inc.
Kaleidescape, Inc.
Kenwood Corporation
Konica Minolta Opto, Inc.
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co. / Verbatim
Mitsui Chemicals, Inc.
Nec Corporation
Nec Electronics Corporation
Nec Fielding
Nero
Ricoh Co.
Teac Corporation
Toshiba Corporation
Toshiba Digital Frontiers Inc.
Toshiba Entertainment Inc.
Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Corporation
Toshiba-Emi Limited
Universal (inc. Music , Vivendi Games, Pictures)
Warner Home Video Inc


I put in bold one of the backers of HD-DVD, you might recognize them as you gave them such a warm introduction :)

Also I do not see JVC/Panasonic on either the HD-DVD or Blu-Ray camps list, please show where they are in a source. Oh and strike from my previous post that Microsoft is a backer of any format, they simply have bias towards one.

Becox is always used in ICQ/MSN messenges as an representaion of because

Pardon me, but I am a bit out of date with the online world and I prefer the good old telephone for any conversation considering that it can be free with the likes of programs like Skype these days.

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