quote: Go look at the steam survey. Latest it's from March 06 to April 06. It's showing 28,000 7800 series cards and 2,000 X1800 and another 2000 X1600. Grand total of 4,000 X1k vs 28,000 7800 class. So in that case, Nvidia commands greatly more than 80% of this generation of cards. And that reporting period is almost done, this cards are head to head competitors for that time period past.
quote: I already told you my definition of discrete. What I mean are cards that somebody goes out and buys. Not IGP, etc. In THOSE CARDS (not sure what they're called, you tell me?) I sincerely believe Nvidia has 80% market share, and I think you probably know it too. And those are really the real battleground anyway, those are where people are making a choice (as opposed to locked into OEM contracts that take great time to shift) and also where profits are highest.
quote: How about this "Nvidia has 88% of SM3 market"
quote: How can you say this with a straight face? You and I both know ATI is losing momemtum big time in EVERY. MARKET. SEGMENT. Nvidia mildly in desktops..and gaining. ATI in laptops..and losing. Intel: completely irrelevant, please dont bring them up to try to make yourself look better. We're discussing ATI vs Nvidia and only ATI vs Nvidia.
quote: Yes, it is. Nvidia does not take a large hit with AF. All benchmarks are typically run with AF on and Nvidia competes very well, thanks. There is no large hit with AF on Nvidia cards. There are alledgedly some shimmering issues but apparantly, people still buy the cards in droves. The people have spoken. ATI has plenty of their own IQ issues. On balance you cannot say ATI has better IQ than Nvidia.
What is your argument? That ATI is making the choices consumers dont want and losing market share in every segment? If so, then yes. Sales figures support your argument.
They were 15% smaller than NV40 dies that they directly competed with, and were generally faster than. The polar opposite of ATI today in other words. How hard is this to understand? THE X850 was a DIRECT COMPETITOR VERSUS 6800 ULTRA. IT WAS SMALLER. IT WAS JUST AS FAST OR FASTER. DO I NEED A FRICKEN DICTIONARY TO GET ACROSS THE MOST BASIC OF FRICKEN CONCEPTS HERE.
quote: Well, we already know it's buggy and irrelevant and only a couple games support it. Beyond that, we only know tha you like it, and that apparantly consumers dont find it a compelling feature in it's current incarnation (as I dont, it's simply not supported enough).
quote: Who says ATI has better image quality? Proof? Further, it really doesn't matter if MORE consumers prefer cards that are faster with lower IQ. Which we have established, they do by huge numbers.
I guess Ford should come out with a new car that runs very quietly but only gets ten miles to the gallon. Then when consumers stay away from it in droves, Ford can tell them what to think. That they should prefer a smoother ride and quieter engine instead of prefering a car that is still decent in those areas, but also happens to get 30 MPG.
That again and again is the crux of our debate. You are trying to tell me what is "right" or somehow "better" in GPU's. When it's bullshit and down to personal preference. FOR ME AND YOU BUT NOT ATI. ATI BETTER SELL CARDS.
quote: Blah blah. Everything I said is exactly correct. Why are you wasting your words? You cannot argue with the obvious truth: ATI doesn't have a good 7600 GT competitor. Because it's one more side effect of the fact their architecture sucks, and is too big to compete in that segment and be cost effective. Period. Please, stop talking about this.
quote: WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
I'm going to scream.
Preparing for the future..so they'll be a lot faster than Nvidia in the future right?
THEN WHAT THE FUCK GOOD DID IT DO THEM?