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ATI RV570 Details

ATI Desktop Discrete PCIe transitions
New performance and mainstream offerings

During the recent Games Convention 2007 in Germany, we received a new roadmap that outlines ATI’s pre-R600 plans for its complete graphics card lineup. At the top of chain of ATI graphics cards is the previously released Radeon X1950XTX and CrossFire graphics cards. Slotted right below the Radeon X1950XTX and CrossFire cards will be the Radeon X1900XT 512MB which will be a carryover product. The Radeon X1900XTX is discontinued and being phased out. This completes ATI’s enthusiast offerings for the time being.

On the performance side of things is the previously released Radeon X1900XT 256MB. Slotted right below the X1900XT 256MB will be the unreleased Radeon X1950 Pro. The Radeon X1950 Pro replaces the current X1900GT. Radeon X1950 Pro will be based on the RV570 core, which is one of ATI’s first 80nm products. Specifications of the RV570 core include 12 pipelines and 36 pixel shaders with a 600 MHz core clock. Memory will be clocked at 1.4 GHz and have a 256-bit interface. Radeon X1950 Pro cards will be equipped with 256 MB of graphics memory and sport a single slot cooler. This will also be ATI’s first card with internal CrossFire compatibility for dongle-less CrossFire. Availability of the Radeon X1950 Pro is expected in October. ATI claims performance of the Radeon X1950 Pro will be faster than the 7900GT.

On the mainstream side of things is the Radeon X1650 Pro. This is based on the RV530 core and replaces the previous Radeon X1600XT. Joining the mainstream lineup later in September will be the Radeon X1650XT. The Radeon X1650XT will be based on ATI’s upcoming RV560 core that like the RV570 is an 80nm part. It will also have 8 pipelines with 24 pixel shaders and go up against NVIDIA’s GeForce 7900GS. Radeon X1650XT cards will have 256MB of memory on a 128-bit interface. Core and memory clock is unknown. Availability of the Radeon X1650XT is expected around the same time as the Radeon X1950 Pro.

ATI’s value lineup will consist of the Radeon X1300XT, X1300 Pro, X1300, X550HM and X300SE. The Radeon X1300XT is essentially identical to ATI’s previous mainstream offering the Radeon X1600 Pro while the other four products are simply carryovers.

Also mentioned in the roadmaps is ATI’s high definition video compatible mainstream part, the RV550 with ATI’s Universal Video Decoder. The UVD equipped RV550 is expected to start sampling in September and availability starting in December. It will be based on ATI’s R515 core, which is the equivalent of a Radeon X1300 series.

ATI plans to move most of its product lineup over to an 80nm fabrication process too. While the Radeon X1950 Pro and X1650XT will launch as 80nm products, the Radeon X1650 Pro, X1300XT and X1300 series are still based on a 90nm fabrication process. ATI will switch the RV530XT based Radeon X1650 Pro over to 80nm with the RV535XT while the RV530 Pro based X1300XT will switch over to the 80nm RV535 Pro core. ATI’s RV515 and RV516 value based products will switch over to the 80nm R505 variants as well.


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By TacticalTrading on 8/28/2006 4:10:09 PM , Rating: 2
AGP isn't dead...yet...At least I don't want it to be.

Will pay $350 for a high end card, but Can't afford $1000 to upgrade to a PCIe Mobo, that upgrade will require new everything....

ATI, R U Listening....How about a ##1900## AGP




RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By noxipoo on 8/28/2006 4:15:02 PM , Rating: 2
why bother buying a $350 card for an old system. and no, it doesn't cost $1000 for a pcie mobo, cpu, and ram. and if you get slightly older socket, not even new ram.


By Missing Ghost on 8/28/2006 11:26:27 PM , Rating: 2
Who said old system? I can see some good reasons why you would have like an FX-55 with APG. Remember Nforce3. Upgrading to pcie would be a waste of money.


RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By Fenixgoon on 8/29/2006 9:49:56 AM , Rating: 2
upgrading to PCI-E is cheap.

$50 mobo, $150 7600GT = $200.

good luck getting 7600GT power for $200 on AGP. X850's are rare and fetch quite the price premium, and the 7800 AGP is up there, too.


By littlebitstrouds on 9/5/2006 4:49:05 PM , Rating: 2
My guess is that they don't want a $50 motherboard, if they have invested, at one time, in a FX-55. Asking for something to be placed in the market is not too much when you're a loyal customer. However expecting it to be there when the cost/sell point is nil, is a bit much sometimes.


RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By RamarC on 8/28/2006 4:23:02 PM , Rating: 2
if you already have ddr-400 and a decent p4/athlon cpu, a pci-e mobo is only $90. if you need a cpu upgradeanother $470 will get you:

$90 biostar motherboard
+ $90 athon 3500+ cpu
+ $90 1gb ddr-400
+ $200 7900gs or x1900gt

why would you to buy over-priced hardware for an obsolete platform?


RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By Pirks on 8/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By jebo on 8/28/2006 6:08:19 PM , Rating: 2
No offense but IMHO if you haven't re-installed Windows since the AGP days your Windows install is probably in pretty bad shape.


RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By Pirks on 8/28/2006 8:25:25 PM , Rating: 1
No offence but I'm really tired of lamers getting their XP waxed in a year or two - how these people screw their Windows is beyond me. Please understand that there are OTHER uses for XP than to install a new malware/freeware/spyware/toolbar every day, hacking and "optimizing" registry, installing a couple of dozen of system monitos, extenders, protectors, defenders and of course Symantec antivirus wonders. People who do that can keep screwing their Windows, bash MS and do all the shit I observe on public forums everywhere - I am just one very rare happy guy who haven't reinstalled his XP for THREE YEARS. Recipe for you lamers - buy your nice pinky Mac who will do everything for you, or enjoy Linux where you can oprimize everything or whatnot. Tell me once more my XP needs reinstall since I put it on my PC in 2003, or someting like it - and get some very impolite words for me. You've been warned.


RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By KingofFah on 8/28/2006 11:27:22 PM , Rating: 2
lol, i have to reply to this. though I don't like ms, and do believe their software to have a lot of problems, I agree with you for the most part. I almost never have to reinstall windows (2k pro), and I have no addition software to help "secure" windows -- just SP4 and intelligent usage.


By MrDiSante on 8/29/2006 11:47:53 AM , Rating: 2
Bit on the over-excited side there, but agreed more or less. I do have Norton Antivirus and Windows Defender on my XP SP2 system (don't think I've ever needed it though), and I've had it for... 3 years if you ignore the 6 months that it was running 98 SE (I upgraded), it's still perfectly stable and I haven't got any malware - though I'll admit that I've had to system restore once or twice. Intelligent usage power!


By Wwhat on 9/2/2006 7:48:41 PM , Rating: 2
I recently freshly installed xp, it ran smooth as butter, then I went to windowsupdate and installed all updates and after that it was as sad as my years old install...



By ElFenix on 9/2/2006 5:09:31 PM , Rating: 2
i went from an amd mobo to an nvidia mobo and didn't have to reinstall windows.


By JonnyBlaze on 8/28/2006 5:09:57 PM , Rating: 2
i agree. i have a 3 year old p4 3.0 system that i want to upgrade my 9800pro for. i dont consider it a waste because this whole system will go to my son when i build a c2d system.


By SyK on 8/31/2006 3:40:05 PM , Rating: 2
So get a 2nd-hand card!

You're using a 9800pro, for XXX's sake. There are any number of higher-performing cards up to a 7800GS available... (At least 3 generations!) and anything higher than that would be WELL and truly bottlenecked by a P4 in any case.

Please stop creating problems and excuses to not upgrade where they do not exist!


RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By mrkkbb on 8/30/2006 1:16:16 PM , Rating: 2
OK, I have an S940 Opteron 150 with 2GB ECC-DDR. If I upgrade to either Intel or AM2 platform I will need to buy DDR2 ram, new chip and motherboard, and reinstall everyting. Why can't they give us a good AGP card? My system would just fly with a 7900GT or X1900?? But instead I must "cripple" it with an expensive 7800GS.


RE: Wish they would do one more High end AGP card
By SyK on 8/31/2006 3:43:52 PM , Rating: 2
A) An S940 Opteron 150 is hardly "Flying" by any modern definition...

B) If you choose to believe it IS, get DDR1/S940 with PCI-e! Nobody is stopping you!

You have even LESS reason to whine than most of the whiners!


By mrkkbb on 8/31/2006 9:43:38 PM , Rating: 2
True, I could get a PCI-e board to transfer stuff over. So, an S940 board will cost me about $200 then I would then need to spend another $200 for a PCI-E card. Not to mention the pain involved in moving over a Raid from one controler to another, i.e. its not just a plug'n'play thing. You are right, that a 150 is not the tops by today standards, but I don't think that it would be much of a bottle neck for a 7900 GT either. I would love to see some GPU/CPU benchmarks where we keep the same system and very the CPU.


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