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The F-35 JSF in all its glory
Lockheed has proposed a JSF that fly by remote control

Lockheed Martin’s new single-engine F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is the latest Swiss Army Knife of fighter aircraft for the US military.  The plane, which is destined to replace the F-16, AV8-B, A-10 and F/A-18, will be available in three variants:

  • F-35A: Conventional Take-Off and Landing (CTOL)
  • F-35B: Short Take-Off Vertical Landing (STOVL)
  • F-35C: Carrier Based Variant (CV)

Lockheed is now proposing a fourth variant that it has been working on for the past two years. The design proposal is for an unmanned version of the F-35 that could operate as a hybrid -- that is, it could be configured to either fly by remote or if need be with a human pilot in the cockpit. Many have stated that the F-35 would be the last manned fighter jet for the Air Force as the military has been pouring more and more dollars into unmanned combat systems. Lockheed's proposed unmanned J-35 would bridge the gap between the past and the future of aerial combat. From the Washington Post:

The Pentagon, looking to save money, has accelerated spending on unmanned systems since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. This year, it allocated $2 billion for unmanned aircraft and millions more in the supplemental budget, compared with $363 million in 2001. The figure is projected to reach more than $3 billion by the end of the decade. What has resulted is a hodgepodge of unmanned vehicles, such as small, bomb-seeking robots that can be carried in a backpack, and airplanes that provide surveillance for days at a time. The systems have become bigger and more expensive in recent years, such as the Predator, built by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc., and the Global Hawk, which has a 134-foot wingspan, comparable to the Boeing 737.

Lockheed has been playing second fiddle to other names in the industry, namely Boeing, when it comes to unmanned aircraft. The price tag of the F-35 program has also ballooned from $201 billion to $276 billion. The price increase along with the government's increasing fascination with unmanned drones is probably why the initial order for 2,000 planes could likely drop significantly in the near future.



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RE: zomg
By TomZ on 8/18/2006 1:24:59 PM , Rating: 2
I don't trust our government either, but I also don't think they would be evil enough to murder thousands of its own citizens either. I also cannot think of any even remotely reasonable motive that the government would have in doing something like this.


RE: zomg
By jmunjr on 8/18/2006 1:46:26 PM , Rating: 2
There isn't a reasonable motive for murdering civilians, at least in a good person's mind. Acquisition of power is reason enough for some however. I think it is a stretch that the WTC was targeted by our government, but I certainly think there are MANY within our government who would support such actions. Get enough of these scum in the right paces with the right resources and some bad things can happen. Do it enough and the snowball gets bigger..



RE: zomg
By Chillin1248 on 8/18/2006 3:45:20 PM , Rating: 3
Here are two sources:

This one debunks the "Loose Change" video:

http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html


This one debunks a number of 9/11 myths. Such as:

quote:
fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C


http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/12...


RE: zomg
By Lord 666 on 8/18/2006 4:27:30 PM , Rating: 2
What about the FAA tapes that are still classified showing the flight patterns? Firefighter recordings that state the fire was under control and "small." Firefighter recordings that are still classified that actually reached the crash area. The very fact that all of the remains of WTC were sent to scrap yards and not forensically analyzed. The fact that several of the named terrorists have been found to be still living. First and only time steel buildings collapsed because of fire.

The PM article addresses none of the above. Also disappointed the PM series does not have larger pictures.



RE: zomg
By Chillin1248 on 8/18/2006 8:17:28 PM , Rating: 3
What is there to forensically investigate in the rubble? Hell a number of peices of the WTC are still around, if you want to test them so bad go ahead.

What about the tapes? Government property that will be released in the future, they certainly don't "hide" something. Do you think the government if it was able to put thousands of pounds of TNT in the WTC without anyone noticing, would have taken down the few cameras on the route the plane was going to fly?

Isn't it interesting that "classified" material somehow is in the hands of every person and more incredibly it incriminates the government? First of all does anyone know the original source of the supposed fire fighter tapes? Second, they were probably talking about the stairwell area around them for evacuation and not the entire floor... I mean we saw it burning ourselves.

Where is the source for the supposedly living terrorists?

First and only time a steel building has been hit by a 767 with a full load of fuel onboard.


RE: zomg
By a1trips on 8/18/2006 10:02:07 PM , Rating: 2
First , err i believe the government was implictly involved, not explicitly. But then i have a brain and i remember how pearl harbor was an "engineered situation", just like 9/11.. Ya think those schmucks up top don't read history?

AND i sincerely hope i do not need to clarify.heh

==> this goes out to all the " get some kool aid types"


RE: zomg
By johnsonx on 8/19/2006 12:45:49 PM , Rating: 2
you've been sipping on the kool-aid too, haven't you?


RE: zomg
By Lord 666 on 8/19/2006 12:58:58 AM , Rating: 2
Yet both of the twin towers were designed to survive the impact of a Boeing 707, which was the largest airplane of the era. http://www.emporis.com/en/bu/sk/wt/cp/if/ro/

Comparing the 707 and 767, both aircraft are similar with their capacities... with the 707 having a faster top speed.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/707family/product...

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_2...

Even if Leslie miscalculated the fuel or velocity variables, consider this... a US Bomber B-25 did run into the Empire State building between the 79 and 80th floors at 300mph. The fire was put out in 40 minutes and the building stayed intact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_State_Building

Yes, the B-25 is much smaller than a 767, but that is not the perculiar aspect; both towers have this gaping flery hole on their side. The south tower was hit much lower than the north. However, when both collapsed, they fell down very symmetrically just as planned demolitions occur and occured exactly the same. Yet, the South Tower would have had a greatly probability to tilt, lean, or hit another building since the impact was lower. You state that steel weakens by 50% around 648C. Focusing on the the physics, this would imply the collapses would not be symmetrical and have building distortion as the building heated up. Moving back to metallurgy, there was molten material flowing from the building prior to the collapse of white/yellow color being seen visible for up to one month. That is not Al, but some variation of Fe!

But this discussion wouldn't be complete without discussing Building 7 which is the only steel building in the world to collapse due to fire, again collapsing very symmetrically as in a controlled demolition. No asterick on this building saying it was hit by a plane, there wasn't any impact to it, just supposedly a fire internally that somehow started.

Is it really a surpise that half of New Yorkers polled feel that the US Government knew of the attacks but did not act? http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855


RE: zomg
By NT78stonewobble on 8/19/2006 7:56:30 PM , Rating: 2
As far as i remember it was designed to be able to withstand the impact of a 707 with next to zero fuel on board and / or not moving at full speed.

Over half the mass of a liner is made up of fuel as far as I know.

Besides a dildo might also be designed to give satisfaction but it is not guaranteed.

Additionally you cannot really compare the the empire state building to the twin towers. Not from a construction point of view.

You say that the south tower would have a tendency to fall to a side.

No, the buildings weight were carried in the core. It was that which failed and pulled the rest of the building down with it. On the spot and centered.

You mention that building 7 like it somehow proves your case. Actually the way you describe it it just proves that the theory of jet fuel burning inside near the structural core is quite possibly correct.





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