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"What? Me worry?"

Apple helped make the tablet form factor popular with consumers with the 2010 launch of the iPad. Over the past four years, sales have grown at an astonishing rate, making Apple’s iPad business second only to its cash cow iPhone.
 
However, things took a slight turn southward this year during Apple’s fiscal Q2. Apple “only” sold 16.35 million iPads during the quarter against analysts’ forecasts of 19.7 million. And in fiscal Q3, iPad sales were down again to 13.3 million units compared to 14.6 million for the same period in 2013.
 
At the time, Apple CEO Tim Cook stated that he was still "very bullish about the future of the tablet market” and that "What's important to us is that customers are enjoying their iPads and using them heavily.”

Apple CEO Tim Cook [Image Source: AP/Marcio Jose Sanchez]
 
In an interview with Re/code’s Walt Mossberg this week, Cook reiterated those comments, stating, “We couldn’t be happier with how we’ve done with the first four years of the iPad.”
 
“I’d call what’s going on recently a speed bump, and I’ve seen that in every category.”
 
It has been suggested by some that the rise of “phablet” devices such as the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (soon to be replaced by the Galaxy Note 4) have somewhat blunted the demand for tablets. But Apple will soon have a counter for that angle, as it will reportedly release a 5.5” iPhone 6 to go alongside the upcoming 4.7” model.
 
Mossberg surmises that customers simply don’t replace their tablets as fast as their smartphones, leading to upgrade cycles that are more in step with the PCs that many tablets have replaced. Mossberg explains:
 
So, after an epic explosion of sales since 2010, tablet owners are content to stand pat for awhile, and new customers will trickle in more slowly, because the early blistering rate of growth isn’t sustainable.
 
Apple could help reverse the sales slide with the release of slightly revamped iPad models this October that will include the usual iterative improvements (Apple A8 processor, Touch ID, 802.11ac wireless, etc.).  There is even talk of a 12.9” iPad Pro model which could launch in early 2015 to take on the Surface Pro 3 — Apple really needs to trot out its split-screen multitasking functionality if it choses to go down that path. According to Bloomberg’s sources, suppliers are already gearing up for production of the tablet.

In addition, Apple could see an uptick in enterprise adoption of the iPad thanks to its new collaborative efforts with IBM.
 
And Apple shouldn’t feel too bad about its recent iPad sales slump; the company is still raking in an enormous amount of revenue from its newest product category. According to Slate.com, Apple’s iPad business alone brought in $5.89 billion in revenue during fiscal Q3 2014. That tally was more than the earnings of Yahoo, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Groupon, and Tesla Motors combined.

Sources: Re/code, Bloomberg, Slate.com



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Sheesh
By jdre on 8/27/2014 9:37:49 AM , Rating: 5
I don't want to make this an Android -v- Apple post, but it is worth noting that I've had split screen multitasking on my Galaxy tablet for years now. Apple is WAY behind on delivering useful functionality.

And I think the bubble burst on the novelty act - the iPad is a consumption device, suitable for people who don't intend to do any actual work on it. People are finding numerous options (e.g., a return to laptops, tablet/laptop hybrids like the Surface) that allow them to do more. No cheesy Apple gimmicks, like making it thinner or improving pixel density, will make up for the genuine lack of user-centric R&D, and basic functionality.




RE: Sheesh
By jdre on 8/27/2014 9:41:52 AM , Rating: 2
Also - the popularity of larger profile smartphones is eroding the iPad market. Apple has also been slow to offer form factors larger than their stubbornly small iPhone.

As a result, people are doing a lot of their mild consumption (e.g., youtube, photo viewing, blog reading) on phones larger than the iPhone - and their creation on laptops or hybrids with, you know, a real keyboard.


RE: Sheesh
By kmmatney on 8/27/2014 2:43:47 PM , Rating: 3
I have a 5.5" phone, but still heavily use my iPad. However I bought my iPad years ago (iPad 2) and upgraded to used iPad4 this year, buying used, and selling my old one. A lot of people who want a tablet already have them - they can't keep selling more of them every year.


RE: Sheesh
By Samus on 8/27/2014 2:50:39 PM , Rating: 2
I think you hit it on the nail. Most people have a tablet (probably an iPad) and it can be argued that Apple either did such a good job on the previous models, people are still happy with them, or that the newer models just aren't compelling enough.

My wife still uses an iPad 3 (new iPad) mostly because of the legacy 30-pin connector. Many of my friends have iPad 2's and I even ran into an iPad 1 running iOS 5 (the latest it can run) a few weeks ago at a clients. Even it still functions fine.


RE: Sheesh
By hughlle on 8/27/2014 9:48:50 AM , Rating: 4
And as the novelty wears off, just like with phones, people have started to realize that they already have a tablet to watch youtube on, is there actually a reason to buy the new one. If a product get's to the point where it serves peoples needs admirably, then simply making it thinner or lighter is not going to be a compelling enough reason for average joe to upgrade. Given tablet usage, software just doesn't exist for the average user to force an upgrade like it did not too long ago. the same is true with computers. The software is no longer progressing at a rate that would justify regular gpu upgrades like it used to.


RE: Sheesh
By jdre on 8/27/2014 9:52:10 AM , Rating: 2
Also excellent points; well said.


RE: Sheesh
By tonyswash on 8/27/2014 11:16:32 AM , Rating: 3
I think the evidence does tend to suggest that the replacement cycle for tablets is longer than for phones and that the replacement cycle for iPads is longer than for Android tablets.

Benedict Evans recently crunched a lot of data for an article about the replacement cycle of Android phones (quick summary: it’s shorter than for iPhones) and some of the factors he discusses applies also to Android tablets.

http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2014/7/30/andro...

I have an iPad 2 and have not been tempted to upgrade so far. It runs the latest version of iOS with no problems, it’s not noticeably slow at anything, and the only sign of wear and tear after taking it on a lot of trips is a slightly battered looking smart cover. Even so I may be tempted to upgrade this year, I like the lighter iPad Air form factor, a retina screen would be nice but a big reason for upgrading will be if the new iPads come with Touch ID. With iOS 8 and the new Touch ID APIs there will be an explosion of Touch ID enabled apps including the essential 1Password.

However if I do upgrade I think that might be my last iPad upgrade for a long time. It’s hard to see what feature Apple could bring to iPads in the next few years that would require another upgrade. If such a new feature does emerge from Apple, one that makes upgrading attractive, it will probably be a combination of software, services and hardware although exactly what it will be is hard to say, maybe it will link to some wearable device initiative.

The tablet market is not like the old PC market which was built on frequent upgrades and more like the current PC market where PCs that are are several years old are no longer semi-obsolete.

I expect that Apple will continue to fill out it’s device form factor range and in a year or two there will be devices that cover the spectrum of sizes from the current iPhone 5 up to something a bit bigger than the current full size iPad.


RE: Sheesh
By BZDTemp on 8/27/2014 1:21:58 PM , Rating: 1
I think the downturn for Apple is more a question of the iSheeps all having bought what they need, so until Apple find some new ideas to copy all claim their own the iSheeps will only be updating occasionally.

I expect Apple to bring out something phablet like and then they'll it is the perfect size (totally ignoring how they used to say the size was all wrong).


RE: Sheesh
By Reclaimer77 on 8/27/2014 1:30:01 PM , Rating: 3
This is why the whole "profits > marketshare" approach is wrong for long-term success.

Apple is now sitting on only 11% of the mobile pie. While they've relied on selling the same noncompetitive overpriced devices to the same people over and over again, they've let Android snag up almost 90% of everything else.


RE: Sheesh
By tonyswash on 8/27/2014 2:21:05 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is why the whole "profits > marketshare" approach is wrong for long-term success.


Explain to me why trading profits for market share is a good idea?


RE: Sheesh
By BZDTemp on 8/27/2014 2:52:20 PM , Rating: 2
It is not black and white, but if you play the long game then market share is what you want.

By selling their tablets at a premium Apple scored huge money while they got the world hooked on the idea of tablets, but their pricing made it easy for others to enter the market by offering even so-so products at much lower prices. Eventually this led the alternates build so big a market share that on sheer volume the Apple competitors could make premium products, so not only did the high Apple prices open up the market for competition it enabled the competitors to build a base to stand on that let them eat into Apple at every price point.

I hope that made sense(sorry for my rubbish English).


RE: Sheesh
By Reclaimer77 on 8/27/2014 3:04:14 PM , Rating: 2
Most of Apple's profits come from the volatile holiday shopping season, and the whims of the consumers.

Google has now positioned Android to be ubiquitous in the mobile world. It's the Windows of mobile pretty much. It's not going anywhere for the FAR foreseeable future.

And it's not like Google is in the poor house.

People like Tony seem to think that Apple is an indomitable institution, when in reality simply "going out of style" would be enough to doom them. Or at least cripple them.

I would take guaranteed long-term stability over short-term volatility any day.


RE: Sheesh
By Mint on 8/27/2014 5:40:10 PM , Rating: 2
Most? About a third of Apple's profits (and revenues, for that matter) come during the holiday quarters:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2456034/profits-up...

Apple doesn't have much volatility relative to the rest of the market, especially non-Samsung Android OEMs, but you're probably right that they're vulnerable.

I think Apple will get a little boost from the larger phones they're about to release, but they'll see slowly eroding margins after that in 2016 onwards.

They'll keep being profitable, but not $40B/year.


RE: Sheesh
By Reclaimer77 on 8/27/2014 6:20:46 PM , Rating: 2
Okay let's assume I could edit and changed my statement from "most" to "a lot".

When a third of your profits every year depend on the fickle whims of the consumer at Christmas...well you get my point I think.

Android OEM's are irrelevant at this point. When almost 90% of the market is locked into the Android ecosystem, there's always going to be OEM's available to fill that need. And even HTC looks like they've turned the corner and are doing okay now.

It's like Windows PC OEM's. The market is so vast, the demand is guaranteed. There's NEVER going to NOT be OEM's making Windows PC's.

Same with Android phones.


RE: Sheesh
By jdre on 8/27/2014 3:00:13 PM , Rating: 2
I don't mean to answer for them, but:

I think trading ALL profit for market share is clearly dumb. Also, clearly, the two are not orthogonal.

But an imbalance whereby you have something very very profitable, but sold to very very small segment of the market is also risky - you could easily get wedged out of the market.

I think as a small example of this point in the theme of other posts in the thread: Apple has stubbornly made one form factor of phone, and not reached out to the market share that wants bigger phones. They stubbornly lock down the UI, and don't reach out to the market share that wants customizable UI. Both of these things make profit margin higher - but cost them market share. Spending a bit to build different form factors, and R&D a customizable UI (e.g., third party keyboards are only FINALLY coming in the next iOS, it seems) might cut into overall profit, but would keep them from becoming a smaller portion of the market share as people turn to other devices to meet these needs/wants.

Same with iPad and integrated keyboards, stylus quicktools, multi-window support, etc. -- all the things they're getting ripped on currently, some of which articles like this one are saying are "coming".

They've been content to sell their products largely to fans of their products - without trying to win anyone over. Their lack of new functions and features in the last 5+ years (besides the Siri mess and a fingerprint reader) is evidence of their willingness to maintain the status quo, despite 90% of the market choosing other products. Eventually - it SEEMS like that niche clientele will want more functionality too... it's a bit of an industry mystery why they haven't suffered more because of it (though likely because of the intangible "glow" around Apple products).

Short answer:
Apple printers were very profitable, but had a very small market share (and lack of compatibility with the rest of the market). Apple doesn't make printers anymore, because other people made them better, cheaper, and more common to find.


RE: Sheesh
By robinthakur on 8/28/2014 8:35:41 AM , Rating: 2
I agree that Apple need to innovate to bring in more purchases from people very happy with previous iPads/iPhones and not willing to upgrade yet. Having skipped the iPad air last year, I'll probably get the new one this year to replace my 3 which still performs admirably for what I use it for. Whilst I might buy a surface 4 pro when it gets announced if it improves some of the fails of the surface 3 pro (stability, battery life, overheating, drivers issues, pen holster), I don't really see the point of getting a larger iPad because even with MS Office on it, I'd still rather use something like a MBA/MBP with a great keyboard/trackpad for content creation. It is interesting that the Mac sales are still going up, so perhaps they are cannabalising iPad sales.

iPhones have improved a great deal in the last 5 years, having moved from a iPhone 5 running iOS7 to an HTC One M8, there is not a great difference feature-wise that i've noticed and I will probably go back to the iPhone camp when the large screen 6 running iOS 8 comes out because I prefer not having to worry about rooting, S-Off, bootloaders, features that only work occasionally and other general lack of polish.

Also, alot of the things like, large screen, app associations and pluggable 3rd party keyboards and widgets will be there in iOS, so there's no point staying on Android for me personally. I might have enjoyed the ability to tinker once upon a time, but not so much anymore and I miss the app catalog and a device that is stable, easy to update (I tried to update to OTA 4.4.3 on the One m8 and it basically bootlooped my phone and I lost all my data), well built and supported.

Apple are selling more iPhones than ever before, they are not struggling as much as you might think on that front. Touch iD works a billion times better on the 5S than it does on the SGS5, I can assure you.

Apple is about the profitable, aspirational mass market, there's no industry mystery why they aren't being punished financially for not allowing people to unlock their bootloaders and put custom roms on the. That is always going to be a niche audience in the same way that the majority of people running Android don't do this, and those types of people don't typically spend big anyway. They generally trot out fantasies in here about what they would buy if it were on the market but then never buy it once it gets released. This article's author does not know what features are 'coming' to the iPad, it's all guesswork at this stage. Apple do try to win people over, with something called advertising which they are very good at, though I don't personally think much of their current campaigns for iPads


RE: Sheesh
By ritualm on 8/27/2014 2:57:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
This is why the whole "profits > marketshare" approach is wrong for long-term success.

Unless you're the US government OR you hold a monopoly, profits always beget market share, never the other way around. The only way you can stay in business is to be continuously innovative (e.g. "Adapt or die" on one Andersen Consulting ad, something like 10-15 years ago, during the dot-com boom), and that requires substantial amounts of money. That stuff doesn't grow on trees.

Google doesn't have to worry about profits as much. Android isn't where it makes money, because frankly 85%+ market share means nothing all by itself. Voluntarily-provided user data is. If you have NoScript running on Firefox, you'll see an entry for Google Analytics. Acquisition of user data on a grand scale, dissemination, and then turning them into "products" for other companies to buy into - that's where the real money printing machine is.

Apple relies primarily on profits to drive its innovations - that they're questionable is a whole different topic entirely. Go ahead and dismiss the 20/80 rule, but Cupertino doesn't really need the other 80% - when their little slice of market share makes one hell of a lot more money.

It's harder to make a buck when your products have to be sold in a market where price is king and everything is specifically built to meet a price point. Even today a lot of PCs are built like that, using a whole bunch of cut-to-the-bone parts so the customer can buy, say, a complete Windows 8 laptop for 500 bucks shipped. Profit margins are minimal, so you have to sell LOTS of product just to break even. If you don't, you have a HTC.


RE: Sheesh
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/27/2014 5:54:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and that requires substantial amounts of money. That stuff doesn't grow on trees.
Annnnnnnnnd, that requires people to buy your products, hence, market-share, if people don't buy your products, market-share, you won't HAVE money.


RE: Sheesh
By ritualm on 8/27/2014 8:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
LOL @ your triple post, and what you're arguing isn't even remotely accurate.
quote:
Annnnnnnnnd, that requires people to buy your products, hence, market-share, if people don't buy your products, market-share, you won't HAVE money.

You don't necessarily need market share to have a good product. You need to market the bejeezus out of it/them. Your altar boy Samsung proved that in spades. Crappy product all around, just barely better than Apple and inferior to the likes of LG and Moto, yet their stuff sells like hotcakes - because its ads are literally everywhere. It even decorated an entire Heathrow terminal.

A specs list of your wildest dreams don't sell if your marketing is lacking - see HTC. Apple's stuff are midrange crap sugarcoated in luxury pricing, and people would gladly trade their healthy organs for them, because marketing.

That 85%+ market share held by Android? A majority of the devices running it are pure rubbish. I wouldn't dare touch them with your hands. The only thing that number really does is give you talking points.

Oh and by the way, if Android's market share is so important, why is Apple's so unimportant? You're basically contradicting yourself. If you think I'm only allowed to cheer for Google, you can bark all you want from your sinking failboat.


RE: Sheesh
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/28/2014 9:27:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
why is Apple's so unimportant? You're basically contradicting yourself. If you think I'm only allowed to cheer for Google, you can bark all you want from your sinking failboat.
You love putting words in peoples mouths don't you? Because I never said any of this.


RE: Sheesh
By ritualm on 8/28/2014 3:23:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You love putting words in peoples mouths don't you? Because I never said any of this.

Why would I need to do that? Your posting history is full of them, bro.


RE: Sheesh
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/28/2014 3:36:51 PM , Rating: 2
My posting history says nothing of the sort, please point out where I said Apple market-share was unimportant. You won't find it because it doesn't exist. But again, keep thinking you are getting one over on people here.


RE: Sheesh
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/27/2014 5:54:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and that requires substantial amounts of money. That stuff doesn't grow on trees.
Annnnnnnnnd, that requires people to buy your products, hence, market-share, if people don't buy your products, market-share, you won't HAVE money.


RE: Sheesh
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/27/2014 5:54:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
and that requires substantial amounts of money. That stuff doesn't grow on trees.
Annnnnnnnnd, that requires people to buy your products, hence, market-share, if people don't buy your products, market-share, you won't HAVE money.


RE: Sheesh
By Nortel on 8/28/2014 12:20:28 PM , Rating: 2
You take iOS (Apple) and compare it to almost all other mobile devices combined and pull out a 11% marketshare number. Who is this "Android" company? Who is raking in all this revenue? Android is a free product which is on every level of mobile device, from junk to the high end, every screen size, every possible iteration of device... vs the iPhone and iPad? In what universe is this a fair comparison?


RE: Sheesh
By synapse46 on 8/28/2014 8:28:15 AM , Rating: 3
Apple does not deliver functionality, they deliver an image that people are willing to pay a premium for.

On another note, when the last time anyone heard an apple ceo making excuses?


"Just wait"
By sprockkets on 8/27/2014 9:36:20 AM , Rating: 1
"We'll find some other sucker school district to sell another $1 billion in overpriced fragile hardware that will need to be replaced every 2 years due to wear! You'll see!"




RE: "Just wait"
By tonyswash on 8/27/2014 10:53:41 AM , Rating: 1
RE: "Just wait"
By jdre on 8/27/2014 10:57:58 AM , Rating: 2
It's the Apple IIe in the classroom all over again.

Much of what they're excited about doesn't require an iPad - it's just use of educational software. Putting a cheaper device in each student's hand - or, for that matter, using existing computer labs to their potential, instead of modernizations of the typewriter room - would have the same effect for cheaper.

But dumb school boards feel "cutting edge" for using iPads.


RE: "Just wait"
By HoosierEngineer5 on 8/27/2014 12:29:28 PM , Rating: 3
In the case of our high school, it's the hipsters in the IT department.


RE: "Just wait"
By ritualm on 8/27/2014 3:09:45 PM , Rating: 3
I've never seen a single public school system initiative that meets price, features and time all at once. Even with pandemic corruption in place, it's super rare to see them hit 2 out of 3.

Lots of money isn't the answer to fixing longstanding public education issues, let alone iPads in classrooms.


RE: "Just wait"
By amanojaku on 8/27/2014 2:49:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"We'll find some other sucker school district to sell another $1 billion in overpriced fragile hardware that will need to be replaced every 2 years due to wear! You'll see!"
quote:
They already have :)
Finally, some truth from tony.


Oh - and another issue
By jdre on 8/27/2014 3:12:37 PM , Rating: 2
Apple refuses to embrace removable storage. They make you pay for the bigger local storage, and that's it -- they use it to drive demand to the most expensive (i.e., most GB) model.

BUT - many other devices have removable storage (either USB or SD, or both). Thus, it's irrelevant how many GB the device itself has, I can add 64GB (or an infinite combination thereof, if I'm fine with swapping storage as needed) for <$30.

I think this is another dimension in which Apple is really getting beaten.




RE: Oh - and another issue
By ritualm on 8/27/2014 9:06:55 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Apple refuses to embrace removable storage. They make you pay for the bigger local storage, and that's it -- they use it to drive demand to the most expensive (i.e., most GB) model.

Funny, because Google's doing the same thing of late. SD support is borked since KitKat because it expects you to put most of the stuff on its Cloud. Heck, even Samsung's doing it with some of its latest releases, LOL.

Looking at devices from an IT security perspective, I'd take Apple over anything Android. Removable storage is a whole can of worms when you're dealing with sensitive information.
quote:
many other devices have removable storage (either USB or SD, or both). Thus, it's irrelevant how many GB the device itself has, I can add 64GB (or an infinite combination thereof, if I'm fine with swapping storage as needed) for <$30.

Except, with certain exceptions, you cannot install apps onto removable storage. My SGS4 has only 16GB for all apps. That is outright inadequate, I'm telling you right now. If I want 40GB of apps, I can at least do it with Apple. I can't do that on most Android devices, and those that do often don't have SD slots.


RE: Oh - and another issue
By jdre on 8/28/2014 8:09:03 AM , Rating: 2
My SGS4 could transfer apps to SD (all except some key apps), did you update the OS? And the "new" GS5 has SD still, I don't know which devices you're talking about. A Surface has USB ports (which could run DoD spec IronKey encrypted storage, if sensitive information is an issue) - iPad doesn't.

And my music and photos aren't "sensitive information" - I don't expect my smartphone to be an enterprise level machine. Granted, different users use in different ways - but if I have documents on my tablet that I want more stored more securely than a microSD card, that's what I use the local device storage for - I push all other junk onto the SD.

But to each their own. My only point is that with removable storage, a user has potentially unlimited storage for cheap, rather than feeling pressured into buying the more expensive device with more local storage.


RE: Oh - and another issue
By ritualm on 8/28/2014 3:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My SGS4 could transfer apps to SD (all except some key apps), did you update the OS? And the "new" GS5 has SD still, I don't know which devices you're talking about.

Most OEMs include a microSD card slot into their phones and tablets so they can skimp on the onboard internal storage for cost reasons. Very rarely do I see an Android-powered phone/tablet with both 64GB internal storage AND microSD expansion together - and by that time, do I even want that SD slot anymore?

The SGS5 comes with a maximum of 32GB internal storage besides its microSD slot. That is still not enough for me, sorry, and the phone is expensive.
quote:
A Surface has USB ports (which could run DoD spec IronKey encrypted storage, if sensitive information is an issue) - iPad doesn't.

LOL IronKey - I'm not putting any sensitive information on ANYTHING removable. That by itself is a clear and present security threat. Besides, just because it's DoD-spec doesn't mean much when the NSA can break it with ease.


Great for non techies
By laststop311 on 8/28/2014 1:23:54 AM , Rating: 2
My 57 year old mother loves playing those crappy gimmicky games like bejewelled on her phone. She would usually just use my hand me downs after i upgraded but she recently got a moto x cause she liked the customizable colors.

Anyways she is on her phone at home playing those games so much i told her to get a tablet as it would be a lot easier for her to play the games on a larger screen. My sister eventually bought her the 10 inch nexus tablet for her birthday and there was just a lot of weird random quirks with it. My mom not being a very technical person just got frustrated with it and I noticed her using her phone again to play games. So i sold the nexus 10 and got her a 64GB ipad air. (being the great son i am i paid the difference)

She immediately took a great liking to the ipad air. No settings she had to fiddle with everything just worked. In her own words "it just does what i want it to do without having to fool around". She loves playing all her games on the big screen and I never see her playing on the phone anymore. She loves it so much that she is going to switch to an iphone next year when the moto x contract is up. This is where apple switching to a larger screen size on the phone won a new customer.

See my mom was never keen on an iphone due to the small screen size. She needs the larger screen so she can see everything easier and 4.5" is really the smallest screen she can work with. After using the ipad air and loving it so much I told her apple is releasing a 4.7" and maybe even a 5.5" phone. Once she heard that she made her mind up not this christmas but next christmas she wants a 5.5 inch if possible or 4.7 inch if thats all there is. By next christmas apple will be on the "6s" and I'm sure she will love it.

Moral of this story is just cause all us techies hate how limiting and closed off apple is they have really made a great product for people that want a device that just does what is asked of it without any extra fooling around as my mom would say. The ipad and iphone hit a homerun in this area.




RE: Great for non techies
By laststop311 on 8/28/2014 1:30:49 AM , Rating: 2
Hell if apple releases a 5.5" iphone this year I may upgrade from my galaxy note 2 to a 5.5" iphone 6. The screen size was the main thing holding me back as well. I do like playing around with all the different setting android allows you to but honestly that novelty has worn off and I wouldn't mind something more simple and reliable. If apple does the 5.5" phone right and puts a nice massive 3000+mah battery in it with apples already superior power management (look at the run times they get with the tiny 1400 something mah battery they get) I can just imagine the amazing longevity it would provide. I just may finally get my first iphone (tho samsung could do something amazing and radical with the note 4 to keep me on their side, but if they do the samething they did with the s5 to s4 they may lose me.)


RE: Great for non techies
By jdre on 8/28/2014 8:14:26 AM , Rating: 2
I understand that point - and it's a common tick that gets put in Apple's column.

But I'm not sure I always agree. I think Android HAS more settings and options and ability to customize, but you can just leave them be and have a good just-out-of-the-box experience. Also, Android (and again, I don't mean to make it Apple v Android, I have a Galaxy tablet and an iPhone5s... maybe Windows phone / Surface is similar but I wouldn't know) has an option to really streamline the GUI - no settings, larger icons, simple interface.

Not arguing with you since I mostly agree - just playing devil's advocate with a different angle.


Anything new?
By hiscross on 8/27/2014 4:01:08 PM , Rating: 2
Since Jobs died, has anyone really come out with a new and exciting product? yes, the Surface 3 is nice (ugly, but useful), Samsung sells TV screen that can make a phone call (and SMS/TxT), but no new big thing. At least all the supers car sold today can easily go over 220 MPH.




RE: Anything new?
By jdre on 8/27/2014 4:23:49 PM , Rating: 2
Oculus Rift/Morpheus, Google Glass (in theory), iterations on fitbits, Chromecast, Playstation 4, and though not market-ready, the autonomous car is getting very much closer.

Various levels of "coming out" and "exciting", but I think so, yes.


Unless
By CaedenV on 8/27/2014 11:29:37 AM , Rating: 2
Unless apple is finally going to bring some real true corporate support then iPad sales are probably going to plateau. Individuals who want one generally already have one. Many schools who went from netbooks to iPads are now moving to Chromebooks or back to cheap PC laptops. Win9 is going to finally address business use which may bring back customers. Intel Broadwell chips should bring about fanless long battery life x86 windows/Linux/chrome/android devices to the market which will stomp all over the limitations of the iPad...
Really truly, unless Apple has something truly 'revolutionary' coming down the pipe then I think that the iPad market is going to dry up. Plenty of demand for cheap ARM tablets, plenty of demand for x86 tablets and convertibles... but expensive ARM devices simply don't have a future unless the OSs on said devices mature significantly.




smartphones...
By zodiacfml on 8/27/2014 12:22:30 PM , Rating: 2
they just can't go on with that growth.
as smartphones get more powerful and with larger screens, the need to update or buy a tablet has lessened. aside from the fact, that Androids have been outing with quality tablets.

it will surely dwindle especially now they have a larger screen iPhone to come out.




Speed Bump
By Pessimism on 8/28/2014 8:51:59 AM , Rating: 2
Speed Bump in this case means market saturation.




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