quote: If you consider OS X a mainstream desktop OS, then it has better chances to be called "seriously secure from the start" because it's based on Unix, where running everything under root Win9x/NT/XP-style was nonsense FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. While Vista only now STARTS to get away from that bad "everyone is administrator" paradigm.
quote: First, you have to separate out Win9x from NT/XP since Win9x has little/no security
quote: Again, don't bring DOS into it, because NT has nothing to do with DOS
quote: Bottom line is, NT has excellent security if you use it. In many cases, people don't use it.
quote: In most *nix environments during the install process usually some kind of notification comes along and tells the user to create a normal user login and not to use root access for general purpose use. During the XP install process it asks the user to set up user names and passwords then sets them all as admins! And you still think that windows was designed with security in mind? You sir have been brain washed.
quote: Follow ME Apple zealots, I am your leader! I am so much smarter than these people that it gives me wood tearing their arguments apart. In fact, I'm hard right now. I can't see it under my belly but I know it's there!
quote: TomZ, I won't go as far as to say you are brainwashed...
quote: building SENSIBLE and WELL BALANCED security shell for the user.
quote: Everything would be MUCH better if
quote: Just because it doesn't have the same flaws that Windows has doesn't mean it's some super-OS here to save mankind.
quote: Now, how do YOU like THEM apples?
quote: You have reasoned quite enough and well
quote: I feel the "don't run as admin" is just a bandaid designed to hide the real problem. If you can be attacked while running admin level privileges, you have a real problem. Fix the problem...don't hide it by running as a lower-level user.
quote: I think you misunderstand me. I agree that running non-root access for day-to-day activity is a good thing. I disagree though with the implication that encouraging (or even enforcing) this behavior is the sole metric by which you judge system security.
quote: I've been using computers 25 years now, and never gotten a single virus. So the technique is, while useful, certainly not a hard and fast requirement for a desktop user.