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Nearly a thousand are dead in Africa, three times the previous worst death toll; only 1 in 3 survive

The media wasn't exactly an invited guest at Dobbins Air Reserve Base in Marietta, Georgia on Tuesday morning.  On the runway a nondescript gray Gulfstream III jet touched down quietly and safely, transporting a desperately ill American missionary to a top research hospital for a treatment, as the threat of a global pandemic looms on the horizon.
 
I. A Category A Bioweapon -- One of the Deadliest Diseases Known to Man
 
The landing echoes Guillermo del Toro's The Strain.  Inside the plane lurks a deadly pathogen, a disease that could kill millions -- if it were to escape containment.  Much like the primetime horror series, the culprit is a tiny worm -- in this case a nanoscope worm-like "filovirus", the Zaire ebolavirus (ZEBOV).
 
But this is no fiction novel.  This is real life.

Zaire ebolavirus
The Zaire ebolavirus [Image Source; Wikimedia Commons]

Ebola comes on like more mundane, more easily treated viruses like influenza (caused by viruses in the family Orthomyxoviridae), malaria (caused by protozoan species in the genus Plasmodium) or cholera (caused by the the bacterium Vibrio cholerae).  But quickly, the Ebola virus (EBOV) distinguishes itself from common respiratory ailments, showing why it's classified as a potential Category A bioweapon -- the most deadly of three classes of weaponizable infectious agents.
 
Under the standard transmission scenario the virus invades the skin (endothelial cells).  Much like the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) it's believed to sneak into cells via the Niemann Pick, type C (NPC1) transmembrane protein, which typically transports lipids into the cell.  
 
Although it is incredibly simple, only encoding a couple of proteins, the deadly virus makes them count.  The virus uses its Swiss Army knife protein -- the Ebola glycoprotein (GP) -- to latch onto the membrane.  Unaware of the dangers facing them, the cells transfers the virus inside, thinking it’s a nourishing lipid.
 
It can also jump directly into the bloodstream latching onto and infected cells in a similar matter.  Once in the bloodstream, one of its first targets is monocytes (mononuclear phagocytes).  While not a direct enemy of the virus, the attack on the body's vanguard against bacterial infection causes stress on the system.

Ebola pathenogenesis
Ebola attacks phagocytes in the blood stream.  It then attacks vascular edothelial cells to encourage hemorrhaging and builds up in the liver's hepatocyte population, keys to its spreading to new host.
[Image Source: Wikimedia Commons] 

From the bloodstream, the virus launches a fresh attack, using the GP in a second way.  A pair of GP proteins dimerize to form a compound that interferes with neutrophil activation.  Antibodies are relatively ineffective against the long slender filovirus.  The body's best hope would be neutrophil activation.  

Normally the neutrophils would activate and swallow the diseased endothelial cells and phagocytes as they emitted cytokines, destroying them in a torrent of protein-catabolizing proteases.  But jammed by the dimer, the neutrophils are unable to activate and watch helplessly as the bloodstream is engulfed in filamentous viral vectors.
 
Lastly, three GPs trimerize to latch the incognito infect cells onto the wall of blood vessels, where they lurk infecting phagocytes, as well as endothelial cells in the walls of the blood vessel.  The disease also travels to the high vascularized liver where it infects hepatocytes, crippling the body's ability to filter out toxins from the bloodstream.  In time the blood vessels of an Ebola patient are coated with tiny berry-like collections of adhered, infected cells, invisible to the naked eye.  As the infected endothelial cells in the walls of the blood vessels emit an inflammatory (cytokine) response, the already stressed blood vessel begins to leak and rupture.  Thus begins the Ebola hemorrhagic fever (EHF).
 
It is a simple but deadly strategy.
 
II. Epidemic Reaches Unprecedented Death Toll
 
Historically speaking no major Ebola virus outbreak has seen a survival rate higher than 50 percent.  The strain that's been confirmed to be involved in the current outbreak (ZEBEV) was the first of several strains to be discovered, when it raged through Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of Congo) in August 1976.  Medical aid workers and researchers recognized quickly that this was a new disease, given that it killed an astonishing 280 of the 318 people in infected -- an 88 percent mortality rate.
 
Thus the bad news is that -- historically speaking -- the strain of Ebola virus that's believed to be burning up central African nations of Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria, ZEBOV, is the deadliest kind of Ebola virus (EBOV).  The good news is that thus far the mortality rate has been relatively "low" by ZEBOV's standards -- only around 60 percent.
 
Ebola epidemic
The epidemic continues to grow as the death toll rises.  Most worrisome, Nigeria, Africa's most populous nation is beginning to see cases. [Image Source: Samaritan's Purse]

But the very bad news is that the virus appears to be spreading faster than ever before.
 
Over the weekend the World Health Organization (WHO) announced that 887 people had died through Aug. 1, since the April 2014 onset of the latest epidemic.  In total 1,603 people are known to be infected.
 
Those numbers are very alarming. Previously EBOV outbreaks of various strains had killed over 200 people only three times -- during the original 1976 outbreak of ZEBEV, during another outbreak of ZEBEV in 1995, and during the 2000 outbreak of the Sudan ebolavirus (SEBOV) in 2000.  And until this year, the original infection was the deadliest.
 
Ebola Spread
Nigeria, the Ivory Coast, and Senegal, are among the neighboring countries at risk. [Image Source: CDC]

Something has changed.  After years of small outbreaks, this year's violent epidemic has not only surpassed the previous record-holding death toll of the 1976 outbreak; it's tripled it.  No one is sure if this is simply a mix of bad luck and circumstances, or something more sinister.  But with Nigeria reporting its second death from the disease this week, things are looking grim.
 
If the disease picks up in Nigeria there's no telling when it will be stopped.  Nigeria is Africa's most populous country, and the seventh most populous country in the world.  It also sees a high amount of traffic into the U.S.
 
III. Airborne Ebola?  It's Possible, Although There's no Proof Yet
 
Also alarming is the number of medical workers getting infected with the disease.  Occasionally doctors and nurses treating the disease in the past have come down with the disease.  But the current outbreak has seen several American and European doctors and nurses become infected, despite appearing to follow sound containment protocols.
 
Traditionally the disease was transmitted via body fluids -- typically passed by having sex with an infected person or touching their exposed skin.  A 2012 study published in Nature by researchers with the Canadian government and the University of Manitoba showed the disease could potentially be mutating to be transmissible via airborne droplets, a far more potent vector.

Rhesus macaque
Airborne ebola was shown to be capable of infecting Rhesus macaque monkies in a tightly controlled 2012 study. [Image Source: Mark Snelson]

In the study a group of Landrace piglets (Sus scrofa) infected with ZEBOV passed it over the air to a group of Rhesus macaques (primates) in a separate cage, despite attempts to prevent any inadvertent transfer of materials.  It appeared the disease "went airborne" transmitting without the traditional route of direct skin contact.
 
While there's no sign yet that the current disease sweeping through Africa is airborne, between the large number of medical professionals infected and the unprecedented death toll, fears are growing it might be.
 
At least one American citizen in the region already lost their life to the disease.
 
IV. Pair of American Ebola Victims Arrive Home for Experimental Treatment
 
Under that backdrop Nancy Writebol, 59, arrived in Georgia on Tuesday, after the Gulfstream III jet transporting her made a pit stop in Maine on Monday to refuel.  An American citizen and North Carolina native, Ms. Writebol is headed for an isolated care unit at the Emory University Hospital near Atlanta.

Nancy Writebol
David Writebol and Nancy Writebol (right) were tirelessly committed to helping the ill in Africa.  Now Nancy is fighting for her very life. [Image Source: Samaritan's Purse]

Ms. Writebol was a missionary with Serving in Mission, a nonprofit which looks to provide healthcare and life-saving treatments in impoverished regions.  A married mother with two children, Ms. Writebol was the head of the decontamination team of the ELWA (Eternal Love Winning Africa) hospital that SIM runs in Paynesville City, Monrovia, Liberia.  A press release describes:

She had been working as a hygienist who decontaminated those entering and leaving the isolation ward of the Case Management Center at the hospital.

To transport the missionary safetly to the U.S. without exposing other doctors and physicians, the U.S. Military tapped the "Gray Bird 333", a GulfStream III jet.  Sold by General Dynamics Corp.'s (GD) Gulfstream Aerospace unit to Denmark, it had served for a time as the F-313.  In 2005 it returned to its homeland after it was purchased from the Royal Danish Air Force by Phoenix Air, who proceeded to retrofit the roomy craft for medical evacuations.
 GulfStream III open
One of the GulfStream III medivac craft [Image Source: [Image Source: Phoenix Air/Gentex/CDC]

The plane is equipped with extensive monitoring equipment and is most crucially equipped with a Aeromedical Biological Containment System (ABCS), which keeps an infections patient covered in a negative-pressure tent.

ABCS unit
The negative-pressure Aeromedical Biological Containment System (ABCS) keeps the crew safe from their infectious patient. [Image Source: Phoenix Air/Gentex/CDC]

Without the ABCS, the plane's pressurized interior would likely vaporize pathogen droplets and infect the medical staff aboard.  With the ABCS, they were able to safely sojourn back to U.S. soil.

Ebola jet transport
The GulfStream III carrying the second U.S. ebolavirus patient arrived in Georgia this morning.
[Image Source: WLBZ]

The U.S. military's non-combat air service operator, Phoenix Air, manages a pair of the specially outfitted medivac craft.  Last Friday the second, almost identical Gulfstream III flew Dr. Kent Brantly, a U.S. doctor infected with ebola out of Liberia.  Dr. Brantly is currently being treated in isolation at Emory University Hospital as well.

Ebola case Dr. Brantly
Once in charge of a major ebola treatment clinic in Africa, Dr. Brantly is now battling for his life.
[Image Source: Samaritan's Purse]

Dr. Brantly had been serving as medical director at a clinic of SIM's partner Christian missionary organization, Samaritan's Purse.  A married man, the veteran doctor is now adjusting to the role of fighting for his life as a patient.

Dr. Brantly
Dr. Brantly is seen in a June photograph wearing protective gear as he treated patients with the ebolavirus in a special isolation ward. [Image Source: Samaritan's Purse]

Before joining up with Samaritan's Purse, Dr. Brantly had gone through his residency at John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth, Texas.  He also has two children of his own.  His wife and children were living with him in Liberia, but were fortunately sent home as the crisis heated up.  Now his children are praying their father survives the terrible virus.

V. Prepping for Potential Quarantine on U.S. Soil

In Africa, the disease has now swept into three capital cities -- Monorovia, Liberia; Freetown, Sierra Leone; and Conakry, Guinea in the northeast.  The epidemic started in Guinea in April, slowing gaining steam in May in Liberia and Sierra Leone.  Now the same thing is happening in Nigeria.

Samaritan's Purse and SIM have both vowed to stay in the region, although they've evacuated non-essential personnel, such as family members and bookkeepers.

Other organizations are pulling out everyone.  The Peace Corps is ordering all 340 of its volunteers in the three worst-struck nations to go home; two of its volunteers are in quarantine after being potentially exposed to a person who was later diagnosed with the disease.

Doctors without Borders
A Doctors Without Borders staffer hands out supplies to relief workers. [Image Source: MSF]

Other organizations are doubling down.  Doctors Without Borders is calling for a massive deploymenet to stop the spread of the disease before it takes off in Nigeria.  Many in the group expressed faith in the effort despite the danger.  Doctors Without Borders nurse Monia Sayah told The LA Times:

We have very strict measures to avoid infection. We use a set of behaviors. It's very important the way we dress up and the way you dress down. We use a buddy system to make sure you don't make a mistake when you are putting on or taking off the gown.

The group exercises the strictest quarantine procedure, never approaching closer than two yards when assessing sick people during outreach journeys without protective equipment on.  When treating patients the doctors always wear a facemask and protective equipment.  The group claims never to have lost a doctor or nurse in the field to disease.

A recent press release says that the group has 300 staff members, including hundreds of doctors, in the three worst afflicted countries and over 40 tons of medical equipment in hopes of evening the odds with the ZEBOV.

But despite its major commitment the organization finds itself struggling to keep up.  Dr. Bart Janssens, its chief, said last month:

The epidemic is out of control.  With the appearance of new sites in Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia, there is a real risk of it spreading to other areas.

We have reached our limits.  Despite the human resources and equipment deployed by MSF in the three affected countries, we are no longer able to send teams to the new outbreak sites.

But the question remains whether the WHO and The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in the U.S. are truly moving aggressively enough and heeding the call.

The WHO committed 120 doctors and staffers.  The CDC is also sending an additional 50 experts in coming weeks.  Backed by the U.S., the WHO also pledged $100M USD to the region to fight the disease.  But the timeframe for that aid money disbursement is unclear and it's also unclear whether it will be enough to combat the increasingly expensive epidemic, which has no real cure.

VI. Health Ministry Targeted by Angry Family Member of Ebola Victim

In Liberia, the situation is growing increasingly grim.  President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf has order all government employees to return home, and has ordered schools to cancel classes.  The national economy has ground to a halt, and yet the disease continues to spread.

Liberia President
Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf is facing growing security risks and unrest as the epidemic continues to grow in her nation. [Image Source: Facebook]

She beseeched her citizens to practice more careful hygiene in a recent speech, remarking:

My fellow Liberians, Ebola is real, Ebola is contagious and Ebola kills.  Denying that the disease exists is not doing your part, so keep yourselves and your loved ones safe.

The disease likely arrived via the local practice of hunting for bushmeat, which the impoverished locals regularly engage in, to gather enough to eat.

Many of the local fruit bat populations harbor traces of the disease.  Indeed, doctors today believe that the bats were original reservoir species.  The nocturnal flying mammals are eating across much of the region.  So too are primates.  While monkeys are less frequent carriers of the diseases (and it tends to kill them, as it does humans), their consumptionalso raises the local risks.

Fruit bat
Fruit bats, nocturnal herbivores, are consider a bushmeat delicacy in Western Africa.  Unfortunately, many of the flying mammals carry the ebolavirus, leading to regular outbreaks. [Image Source: Getty Images]

But there's growing rumors and suspicion in the region among locals.  They believe that the U.S. may have pruposefully released the disease as some sort of weapons test.  One local man who lost his teenage brother to the disease set fire to the Healthy Ministry building in the capital city of Monorovia.

Also many are resisting travel bans.  Liberia promised to beef up security after a ebolavirus victim successfully circumvented airport security and boarded a plane to Nigeria.  President Sirleaf said the security situation would be rectified.

The growing civil unrest and anger is stalling already beleaguered aid efforts from Doctors Without Borders and international government groups.

VII. Quarantine Centers are Readying Themselves in Case Disease Reaches U.S.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) appears to be moving cautiously when it comes to slowing the infection in Africa.  It's sending 50 doctors and other medical experts to Western Africa in coming weeks to assess the situation and try to improve it.  But it hasn't been cautious to commit to larger deployments of staff or supplies as the situation in the region continues to grow more dangerous.  

The CDC's primary focus seems to be more on keeping the disease out of the U.S.  Back home it's issued its highest level of travel warning -- Level 3 -- urging Americans to avoid travel to the region.

It believes these precautions will keep ZEBOV out of the U.S.  But just in case, it's already prepping twenty quarantine camps in major cities around the country.
 
Dr. Hector Ocaranza, the health authority for the El Paso, Texas City/County Health Department said the preparations are just a precaution and not cause for panic.  El Paso is home to one of the quarantine camps that might be called upon, should the disease pop up in the U.S.  Speaking to ABC News, he commented:

It's a scary virus ... Definitely terribly deadly. It's one of those viral hemorragic fevers. They haven't found where it's coming from, if it's coming from an animal to the human or what. But we know there is human tissue transmission.

I don't think we should be concerned, even if we're on the list of quarantine stations.  I don't think we should be concerned with these kinds of viruses. It is still contained within Africa, unfortunately it has been one of the largest outbreaks of this virus and it has a high mortality.

The CDC is also coordinating closely with the Mexican Department of Health, the Public Health Agency of Canada, and Canadian Institutes of Health Research to prepare a unified response if the disease appears at a border region.


CDC Quarantine Station

Both patients are believed to be in serious, but stable condition.  They are expected to receive an experimental drug designed to boost their immune system.  While not a true vaccine, doctors are hoping the antibody formulation will help the patients' battered bodies to naturally fight off the disease by jump-starting neutrophil antibody production.

Sources: AP News, AP on Fox News, CDC [Quarantine Station List], Samaritan's Purse [press release]



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Irony
By Acupuncture on 8/5/2014 3:31:51 PM , Rating: -1
Two doctor's go down to voluntarily treat Ebola in Africa. They get Ebola, and instantly fly to a safer spot to get better treatment.




RE: Irony
By mdogs444 on 8/5/2014 3:36:11 PM , Rating: 1
They go to Africa to help try to contain the disease so it doesn't spread.......then they come here with the disease, which may spread, in order to save themselves.


RE: Irony
By stm1185 on 8/5/2014 4:07:46 PM , Rating: 1
67% mortality rate, no treatment.

Disease like that cannot be allowed to spread because of sentiment. Tranquilize the infected, then incinerate them.


RE: Irony
By room200 on 8/5/14, Rating: -1
RE: Irony
By superflex on 8/5/2014 4:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
Wow,
Two of the dumbest comments ever on DT in one thread.
Somebody is all wrapped up in the red team v. blue team debate and cant see they both work for the same masters.
Congrats


RE: Irony
By room200 on 8/5/14, Rating: -1
RE: Irony
By teldar on 8/5/2014 4:41:56 PM , Rating: 2
Wow. This is just so far off of what dude just said it's amazing. Do you have reading comprehension? Is there critical thought involved in what you wrote about?

He's talking about mass liquidation of humanity. I fail to see how this is a view which would deny abortion. It is more likely to support late term abortion because it's just easier to kill people than deal with them...


RE: Irony
By room200 on 8/5/14, Rating: -1
RE: Irony
By KCjoker on 8/5/14, Rating: 0
RE: Irony
By room200 on 8/5/14, Rating: -1
RE: Irony
By Ammohunt on 8/5/2014 6:53:01 PM , Rating: 2
7 Billion > 900 do the math; hopefully there is someone with balls left that can make the decision.


RE: Irony
By room200 on 8/5/2014 11:04:48 PM , Rating: 1
I thought you were pro-life?


RE: Irony
By FITCamaro on 8/6/2014 11:36:25 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah because lots of believers believe in killing people who are sick but still alive. Someone who believes in abortion is far more likely to have the attitude that he or she expressed.


RE: Irony
By FITCamaro on 8/6/2014 11:39:30 AM , Rating: 2
Just because someone has a disease that is deadly, doesn't mean you just put them to sleep and then set them on fire.

I guess we should have done that to AIDS patients then huh?

While I want lots of precautions to be taken around this disease, we shouldn't start acting like the Nazis in order to save ourselves.


RE: Irony
By TheJian on 8/7/2014 9:47:28 AM , Rating: 2
Nazis killed jews for no other reason than hate. It had nothing to do with being afraid of getting sick from them.

This is a completely different story, where you may end up with a situation where you have to decide do you let the whole world get infected or kill the small # who are the problem before that happens?

You couldn't look at the jews and say, well if we have more than a million of them, we're all going to die so exterminate them all. You're comparing absolutely stupid logic (we hate jews, must kill all) to fairly sound reasoning (no cure for the disease, so what's the easiest way to stop it?). When you have gangrene they don't wait for the rest of you to die, they chop off the dead part right?

Here, that may actually be the case at some point. As the other poster said 7B >900, or even 1mil. I guarantee you, at some point everyone would agree "someone should have made the hard choice miles back". In your effort to save a few lives, you're ignoring the saving of thousands or millions etc of other lives.

More have died in a few days in war and again, that's usually just over some hate. In this situation even the doctors and experts in the field can't seem to keep from getting sick and possibly dying. That's a problem right? If you let it get too far out of control how do you stop it? How do you quarantine a few million people?

When a single soldier dives on a grenade it's usually to save 5-10 nearby buddies. He is heralded as a hero correct? For doing what HAD to be done, or risk much worse loss of life correct? I'm not saying which way I'd go here on the disease, or if there's even a point I'd be in favor of that, but just making the point you seem to be missing here. I'm sure even I'd cave at some point. What would you be saying if 15mil were infected and it was in multiple countries with no end in sight? How about 100mil infected?? Would you actually happily go until there are 1Billion? OR heck, all of us? Your pissing and moaning because the OP's limit is lower than yours? I'm sure you'd cave at some point too.

I'm definitely against bringing them HERE in USA when there is no cure. What is the point in risking USA too? Quarantine is just that. To keep you where you're at to keep the problem from spreading. Someone needs to get fired for bringing it here. You don't move quarantined people around risking everywhere else they go. That's just dumb. You go to them, and solve it there if desired, you don't bring it into your house.

If disease X is seriously painful, putting them down may just be the most humane thing to do, even when it's NOT about saving yourself. Have you seen a cancer patient in their last days with tumors and cancer spread everywhere inside? My aunt had so much morphine she didn't even know who I was, and it still wasn't enough to dull her pain. I listened to her moaning for days and it lasted for a few more weeks past the time I had with her near the end. I went to say my goodbyes, and never really got the chance, since she didn't know who I was the whole week. It was almost unbearable to listen to her, and I can't even begin to imagine living through it.


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2014 10:09:43 AM , Rating: 2
We have 2 million Americans walking around with HIV currently. 1 in 5 that don't even know it yet, who show NO symptoms, and are spreading it to others.

And you're worried about bringing TWO people with Ebola here under the most insanely secure conditions?

You people are idiots.


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/7/2014 10:19:20 AM , Rating: 2
In fact the more I think about, HIV is a far bigger threat than Ebola. It has a 100% mortality rate. You WILL die because of it, period.

Time to move out of the country!!! RUN!! FLEE FOR YOUR LIVESSSSSSSS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04xOsNW7zTA


RE: Irony
By michael67 on 8/7/2014 11:07:27 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
In fact the more I think about, HIV is a far bigger threat than Ebola. It has a 100% mortality rate. You WILL die because of it, period.

Actually many people can be just a carrier, and some people are even immune against the virus (10%), especially Northern Europe (15%).

Ware Norway has the highest immune rate in the world, and according to my wife (works for the national institute), is that most likely because of the 1918 Spanish Flu, that really decimated Norway.
If that theory still holds up, i dont know, i have to ask when she gets home.

northfieldpatriot.blogspot.no/2010/06/10-of- europeans-have-immunity-to-hiv-14.html


RE: Irony
By michael67 on 8/7/2014 10:13:18 AM , Rating: 1
Your argument is really excellent, its just a shame you know jack shit about how the disease spreads.

And that the way the virus spreads makes your argument totally invalid, and instead you just let only fear be your guide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 4:26:21 PM , Rating: 1
Ebola isn't like some killer flu epidemic, it's not particularly contagious. Those people got it because they were incredibly ignorant and didn't take even the most basic precautions.

There's virtually zero chance of an Ebola outbreak happening in the US from treating these people. Do you hear about Ebola outbreaks happening in developed nations? No, there is a reason for that.

Stop listening to the goddmaned fear-mongering media on this and do some homework.


RE: Irony
By teldar on 8/5/14, Rating: -1
RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 4:45:29 PM , Rating: 5
That's patently absurd. There is ZERO medical evidence for such speculation, and just fuels the already stupid fear-mongering happening.

There is ZERO evidence or signs that Ebola has mutated to become airborne. Daily Tech is NOT where you go for medical information you nitwit!

Yes Ebola "could" mutate, so could the common cold. That has no bearing on these two American's lives however, who clearly contracted the disease from blood or fluid exchange. Like EVERYONE else who contracted Ebola!


RE: Irony
By teldar on 8/5/14, Rating: -1
RE: Irony
By ClownPuncher on 8/5/2014 5:49:57 PM , Rating: 4
Logic was used in place of hypothetical first hand knowledge.

You're being a hysterical poobutt.


RE: Irony
By tayb on 8/5/2014 4:56:22 PM , Rating: 4
It's a matter of policy. There is basically zero concern of an outbreak in the continental United States. The concern is that a policy of bringing infected people back to the United States could one day lead to a disaster. We don't need to bring these people back to treat them and one day this idiotic policy might actually result in spreading disease.


RE: Irony
By Ammohunt on 8/5/2014 6:50:56 PM , Rating: 3
If there is no concern of an outbreak why do we need 20 CDC isolation camps?

Feds: "NOTHING TO SEE HERE! MOVE ALONG!"
Rational being: /sarcasm "Yeah i trust the feds.."


RE: Irony
By ClownPuncher on 8/5/2014 7:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
They did the same thing with SARS and countless other types of animal named flu.

Stop eating undercooked bush bats and splashing bodily fluids on yourself and you'll be fine.


RE: Irony
By Silver2k7 on 8/6/2014 7:27:14 AM , Rating: 2
lol doubt undercooked had anything to do with it.. probably handling it before cooking it is much more likly.


RE: Irony
By illonexxx on 8/5/2014 10:31:28 PM , Rating: 2
Or, quite possibly you missed his point. As in the reason developed nations have no probability of having an outbreak is because the CDC of those nations PUT UP 20 CAMPS as soon as there is a hint of an a problem.

CDC, forget this dude, do your thang!!


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/5/2014 11:16:55 PM , Rating: 2
Teldar = idiot #1
Tayb = idiot #2
You (Ammohunt) = idiot #3

Who's next?

The reason for the CDC camps is so there IS no outbreak. We're bringing two people back under EXTREME lockdown full quarantine conditions. It's not like they're going to be walking around bleeding on people. Duh!!

What part of this do you idiots not understand?

I distrust the feds as much as anyone. But what possible motivation would the Federal Government have for causing an Ebola outbreak in America? Wtf!


RE: Irony
By Ammohunt on 8/6/2014 6:26:17 PM , Rating: 1
Reclaimer77 = King Fuckwit

Who said the government would purposefully cause an outbreak? It was implied that if Ebola is not as contagious as they say why would they need 20 isolation camps instead of 6? Perhaps they suspect its become more contagious. Hard to contain an deadly infectious disease when dangerous mass hysteria is taking place.


RE: Irony
By FITCamaro on 8/6/2014 11:41:18 AM , Rating: 2
They were probably already doing that considering all the illegals coming here with lots of infectious diseases.


RE: Irony
By bah12 on 8/6/2014 12:49:10 PM , Rating: 3
100% agree. This article disgusts me, and even though I hold a very low opinion of Jason's integrity, this one is a the nail in coffin. Talk about a total fear based click generator.

Disgusting Jason, just wow. Truly a new low.


RE: Irony
By michael67 on 8/6/2014 4:30:50 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
Those people got it because they were incredibly ignorant and didn't take even the most basic precautions.

Even do i agree with the point your making, if you are calling those people ignorant, you also have no idea what your talking about and i would label you the ignorant here.

I work in the offshore, ware safety is Nr 1, 2 and 3 before anything ells.

As a supervisor i also have too do safety Analise's before the job, and also a as some one that has worked in the region (Nigeria) i know how things work there.

And i would divide the main risk in two main groups.

- The Nr1 risk is human failure that counts for about 85% of the risk i would say, as the locals are badly trained.
- And 15% equipment failure, as the have second rate equipment at best, and you have to make do with what you got.

And they most likely got infected due to the error of a local coworker.

To give example:
I was working on a oil plant in Nigeria as a foreman then, and we had too work on top of vent stack, i taken a local with me to the job to do some measurements.
Standing at he base of the structure, i told him not to climb up strait behind me when i was going up the cage ladder (general rule), as i could drop tools during the clime.
When i was at the top i wanted to signal the guy that it was save to follow me now, only to find out, he was already at the top, as he had climbed structure like monkey over the braces at the other side.

It was not that he was not willing to listen to what i said, he just did not understand the meaning behind it, and just did the best he could to follow my instructions, in his own way.

Cage ladder: http://staticassets-hrd.appspot.com/hobbh70mpe042h...

Most likely something similair happened to these doctors, you just cant always control what others do, especial if they are less trained locals.


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2014 8:23:53 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Even do i agree with the point your making, if you are calling those people ignorant, you also have no idea what your talking about and i would label you the ignorant here.


Excuse me but since when were Christian "missionaries" experts at infectious diseases?

These people made mistakes, and got infected. There is NO other explanation.


RE: Irony
By michael67 on 8/6/2014 10:22:22 AM , Rating: 2
The first patient was a doctor, so he properly knew what he was doing.

As a atheist i have not a lot up whit Christian missionaries, and i think all Christians are fooling them self believing in a made up God.

That dose not mean they are incompetent in what they are doing, and sure it also dose not mean they are not.

But just calling them ignorant without knowing the facts, personally i find that not speaking for you.


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2014 12:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The first patient was a doctor, so he properly knew what he was doing.


"Doctor" is an extremely broad and generic title. To automatically assume any "doctor" is an expert in infectious pathogens like Ebola is just wrong.

There is only ONE way to contract Ebola: direct exchange of blood or fluids though broken skin or mucus membranes. So no, one can quite clearly see that proper protocols were obviously NOT followed, and someone screwed up.

I'm not saying these are incompetent people, or they had no business being there. But it only takes a split second of inattention, distraction, or just plain mental lapse. And I don't see how I'm out of line for what I said.


RE: Irony
By michael67 on 8/6/2014 4:03:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Doctor" is an extremely broad and generic title. To automatically assume any "doctor" is an expert in infectious pathogens like Ebola is just wrong.

Not being a expert dose that mean you cant or should not help, if you surrounded by suffering?

quote:
So no, one can quite clearly see that proper protocols were obviously NOT followed, and someone screwed up.

You never bin to Africa have you, some one always screws up there, specially in these types of situations.

You just cant compare most of Africa with the US or EU, medicine over there is a mix of modern and early 1900 medicine, specially equipment wise it all old school, and i don't mean that in a good way.

quote:
I'm not saying these are incompetent people, or they had no business being there. But it only takes a split second of inattention, distraction, or just plain mental lapse. And I don't see how I'm out of line for what I said.

yes you ware saying they ware incompetent, is ignorant not more or less a other word for that?


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2014 5:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not being a expert dose that mean you cant or should not help, if you surrounded by suffering?


That's completely out of left field. What? I said nor implied nothing of the sort!

quote:
You never bin to Africa have you, some one always screws up there, specially in these types of situations.


So wait, you can say someone screwed up but I can't?


RE: Irony
By michael67 on 8/6/2014 8:25:24 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
That's completely out of left field. What? I said nor implied nothing of the sort!

Read your post again, because you sorta did.

quote:
So wait, you can say someone screwed up but I can't?

If that was what you said i would not be commenting here, as that is clear to all.

But hat was not what you said!
quote:
Those people got it because they were incredibly ignorant and didn't take even the most basic precautions

I think if you have seen Ebola patients dieing up close, you must have the IQ lower then that of donkey, not to be scared.

And if your scared, you sure wane do more then the most basic precautions, to protect your self.

And these are quarantine zones, under the jurisdiction of the WHO, do you think they are willing to let just any willing ignorant working in those zones?


RE: Irony
By rdhood on 8/6/2014 5:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Those people got it because they were incredibly ignorant and didn't take even the most basic precautions.


Dumbass. "Those people" that they brought back to the U.S. were a doctor and a nurse. They KNEW how to avoid it, took precautions as per protocol, and still contracted the disease. The CDC is still trying to determine how that happened. The two patients insist that they did not come into contact with body fluids of an infected patient.

quote:
Ebola isn't like some killer flu epidemic, it's not particularly contagious.


Dumbass. Ebola is VERY contagious (which is why they contracted the disease, and it is why they are in isolation) , but not particularly oommunicable (which is why they can't figure out how it was contracted if protocols were followed).


RE: Irony
By Reclaimer77 on 8/6/2014 5:53:56 PM , Rating: 2
It's not airborne, so no, it's not even CLOSE to being as contagious as a flu epidemic. You don't know sh*t. You HAVE to come into direct contact with infected blood or saliva to contract Ebola, fact.

And the CDC wasn't there, so how in the hell would they know how they contracted it? Something as careless as rubbing your eye after treating someone would be all it takes to get infected.

Yeah they were a doctor and a nurse, so what? As if that means they're experts in Ebola or never make mistakes??

Maybe this will help you...

http://mashable.com/2014/08/04/ebola-virus-dont-pa...


RE: Irony
By michael67 on 8/5/2014 5:49:03 PM , Rating: 5
You are really just a piece of crap!

Those doctors are going to Africa, knowing full well what the risks are, and still they go.

Just like a soldier, are they not allowed to have backup, if they are a casualty in the war of defeating Ebola?

I have even way more respect for these doctors, then i have for the secret service, that defend the president.

As they have a way lower chance of dieing on the job, and they sleep every night in a comfortable hotel.

These doctors are real hero's, and you just piss on them, its easy to wright something from behind your desk, is it not?

But i doubted you even once risk your life a little for some one else in your hole life, you piece of crap!


RE: Irony
By FITCamaro on 8/6/2014 11:43:41 AM , Rating: 2
At least we can agree on that. That those who go to poor countries to try and care for the poor and sick there in less than ideal conditions are far more brave than those who have duties which are necessary but generally risk free and involve living the high life.


RE: Irony
By bupkus on 8/5/2014 10:55:30 PM , Rating: 5
This was arguably the best response to the disease. Rather than wait until it enters the U.S. and the predictable panic ensues, the CDC marshals their considerable resources to treat and study living patients infected with the specific ebola.

It may sound heartless but it was the most direct way to transport a living, active specimen of ebola to perhaps the most capable disease research facility in the world. Right now those patients are transport containers as much as they are patients, and they probably know it.


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