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“We’re not telling Google anything that it doesn’t already know" -- Nest Labs co-founder Matt Rogers

Google will soon have access to user data stored on thermostats built by Nest Labs. This move was inevitable following Google’s acquisition of Nest Labs back in January for $3.2 billion.
 
In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Nest Labs co-founder Matt Rogers made it clear that Google will be able to connect its apps with the Nest Learning Thermostat. For example, customers can rely on Google Now’s location-tracking capabilities to automatically adjust their thermostat when returning home after a long day at work (the Honeywell Lyric thermostat offers similar functionality).
 
Users will also be able to speak voice commands into their Android-powered devices to control the temperature of their Nest Learning Thermostats.


Nest founders Matt Rogers (L) and Tony Fadell (R) with Google CEO Larry Page (C)
 
Rogers indicated that the bulk of the data that will be shared with Google pertains to whether a customer is at home or not. Easily identifiable information such as a customer’s name, address, or email address will not be shared.
 
As Rogers bluntly puts it, “We’re not telling Google anything that it doesn’t already know.”
 
Nest Labs CEO Tony Fadell first tried to ease customers’ privacy concerns back in January, stating, “The data that we collect is all about our products and improving them. If there were ever any changes whatsoever, we would be sure to be transparent about it, number one, and number two for you to opt-in to it.”

Source: The Wall Street Journal



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Dropcam? No Thanks!
By peterrushkin on 6/24/2014 11:55:52 AM , Rating: 3
So with nest they are passing data to google?

Oh, you said that you wouldnt do this with dropcam?

Yeah right... of course I believe you. Do no evil right?

/hears google laughing at how gullible some users are...




RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By retrospooty on 6/24/2014 12:30:11 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, now Google will know how warm you keep your house at what time of the day Muhahaha!!!

Seriously though, if you dont want to use smart features dont buy them and dont use them. Problem solved.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Spuke on 6/24/2014 1:10:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Yes, now Google will know how warm you keep your house at what time of the day Muhahaha!!!
LMFAO!!!!!


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By robert5c on 6/24/2014 2:19:20 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, i don't get the worry of people over Nest and DropCam when they may have a device in their pocket from said Evil Empire. A device with a camera on the front and back, a microphone, always connected to internet, able to record your personal conversations, messages, internet use and one that is most likely connected to even your home network.

If they wanted to film you they could probably just program software to turn on features of your phone without any notification to you that's its doing so. Do it over WiFi only and you wouldn't even notice the traffic; while plugged in and you won't notice the battery drain, ect ect ect.

Get a grip people, take off your tin foil hats, and just vote with your pocket, you don't have to buy it, but don't freak out all of a sudden.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By retrospooty on 6/24/2014 2:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly... If anyone is that paranoid, they really need to avoid any and all smartphones and the internet in general.

Smart devices cant be "smart" without access to your stuff. If you don't want it, that is perfectly fine, but if you are going to use it, you need to learn to deal with it either way.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 2:58:02 PM , Rating: 1
Most of these people are just trolls rather than actual concerned potential users imo.

Especially those throwing "evil" around.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By slunkius on 6/25/2014 2:22:28 AM , Rating: 2
so what happened to "google will know how warm you keep your house"? looks like they will know much more than that. how much more will depend only on their wishes.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By retrospooty on 6/25/2014 12:24:45 PM , Rating: 2
The point is they already know much more than that from your phone and internet usage. If you are worried about such things, dont use the internet or any smart devices at all.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Spuke on 6/24/2014 1:12:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
OFC better integration is the goal here, wtf is wrong with you people?
I swear some people here are about as tech savvy as my late grandma. And she has an excuse because she's dead.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By wallijonn on 6/24/2014 2:26:37 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
some people here are about as tech savvy as my late grandma.


NEST ain't so smart. It's a convenience. Being tech savvy just means that you are tech dependent.

Grandma couldn't programme a VCR and you can't program a thermostat. Not much difference, is there? But she had enough sense to immediately take a cold shower on a hot day, and a hot shower on a cold day, when she came home. On a hot day she'd turn on the fan(s) in the house before having to resort to turning on the air conditioner and in the wintertime the thermostat would have been set to prevent pipes from freezing.

With NEST you cellphone call it and tell it to turn on the AC before leaving the office, just so that you can walk into a cool house. A timer does the same thing.

If NEST was so smart it would find the air conditioner's most efficient setting, that one degree difference where the AC doesn't turn on as often, and never go below it; and knowing the temp differential it would turn it off 1 to 3 hours before you woke up to go to the office. But programmable fans may not yet exist, at least fans that can be integrated into NEST programming. NEST will have to create wall switches that will replace a wall switch and which can connect to the NEST.

Until then, it ain't so smart, it's just a smart device.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By bsd228 on 6/24/2014 4:08:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
With NEST you cellphone call it and tell it to turn on the AC before leaving the office, just so that you can walk into a cool house. A timer does the same thing.


only if your life is so predictable. I come home anywhere between 5:30 and 11. My timer is set for 6:30 as a poor compromise.

The honeywell is taking it a step further - as soon as your cell phone is within local proximity (unsure how flexible), it knows you're heading back and gets things going.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 4:41:59 PM , Rating: 2
My problem with Honeywell's approach is that it can take up to an hour or more for your AC/heater to get the temp where you want it, but it only gets things going when you break a 7 (I think?) mile proximity. That doesn't leave the unit much time to catch up.

It's a nice touch, but flawed in a few ways imo.

The nice thing about Honeywell is that they're mega-experienced in this field. I've heard about some issues with Nest thermostats people have had that you just wouldn't with a Honeywell. Personally I'm waiting for them to sort it all out before I purchase one, if I purchase one.

I REALLY want a slick, modern, and affordable cloud-based smarthome solution though. So I hope Google gets Nest on the right track with that. Not as much interested in a smart thermostat as I am the whole package, whatever that package will be we'll have to wait and see.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Spuke on 6/24/2014 4:50:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Not as much interested in a smart thermostat as I am the whole package, whatever that package will be we'll have to wait and see.
Yep and I've been waiting for the better part of 10 years now for this.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Spuke on 6/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Ammohunt on 6/24/2014 1:46:30 PM , Rating: 2
if you have nothing to hide then why worry? i.e. Its not ok for the NSA to share/collect personal data but Google? no problem! Hypocrisy at its finest.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By ritualm on 6/24/2014 2:40:34 PM , Rating: 2
Technically Google doesn't need any thermostat data from its users - but it wants the stuff anyway because ad dollars.

Next time a Nest user dials up the heating during winter, Google would "ask" them to visit a home insulation service...


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By ritualm on 6/24/2014 3:22:29 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
you are not going to be spammed adds by Google because you turned on your heater

Knowing Google - and especially seeing what they've done with the official Gmail app - I'm calling BS on this claim right now.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 3:25:26 PM , Rating: 1
Again, if you feel that way fine, just don't buy a NEST and problem solved.

There's several competing 'smart thermostats' out there to choose from.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By ritualm on 6/24/2014 3:34:14 PM , Rating: 4
It's funny - in a pathetic, sad way - watching you go all out defensive in support of Google, as soon as anyone starts merely pointing fingers at your favorite company (besides Samsung).

Your reading comprehension is fundamentally lacking, even compared to Nortel, and that's pretty bad.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/14, Rating: -1
RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Spuke on 6/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/25/2014 9:36:16 AM , Rating: 2
Spuke taking bullets for the old 'Claimer, much respect :)

We'll catch 'em in the crossfire bud lol.


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By sadsteve on 6/24/2014 6:11:23 PM , Rating: 3
Google doesn't need it for that. All you need is a browser on your phone/tablet/pc and a home automation server (home built) at your home. Simple login and monitor/control via web access. Google didn't need to know anything about how I set up my system.

It was fun to design and build but I removed the system after about 6 months. I never used it once I finished it (except for initial play time).


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Reclaimer77 on 6/25/2014 9:40:11 AM , Rating: 2
How many people are seriously technically competent enough to build their own servers and set up PC's?? Not very many.

So what are you saying? Google should get out of home automation because maybe 0.5% of the population can do a DIY setup?


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By mushkins on 6/24/2014 2:38:09 PM , Rating: 2
How is passing data after explicit user consent "evil"? Evil is killing animals and raping children, I'm not seeing anything evil in "I want to opt in to Google making my thermostat more efficient." Privacy concerns? Sure, but no "evil."


RE: Dropcam? No Thanks!
By Spuke on 6/24/2014 4:55:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Privacy concerns? Sure, but no "evil."
Dude, you're talking to people with the intelligence of a 4 year old. Hell, they probably didn't even read your whole post. With their reading comprehension problems and all.


My only concern
By Labotomizer on 6/24/2014 11:59:48 AM , Rating: 3
Is that data is never 100% protected, no matter who has it. This is assuming it's connected to a public network such as the internet. Once your Nest account is merged into Google+ authentication, which will happen, suddenly you're not just tracking your location from your phone and all your personal info together. You'll also have access to the Nest data that shows your habits, when you're home and when you're not in particular. That is a bit scary for someone else to have access to.




RE: My only concern
By Spuke on 6/24/2014 1:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
How do they know when you're not at home?


RE: My only concern
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 1:19:08 PM , Rating: 2
Google already knows when you aren't at home because of your smartphone location data.

I don't see how Nest changes anything. Or why people think Google cares about how cold or hot your house is, or how that's data ANYONE cares about.

Google is sharing Nest data in order to improve the quality of service for the buyer. Yeah...how evil lol.


RE: My only concern
By Spuke on 6/24/2014 1:46:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Or why people think Google cares about how cold or hot your house is, or how that's data ANYONE cares about.
I wasn't planning on getting a Nest thermostat but maybe I will now. I'll at least see where Google takes it.


RE: My only concern
By M'n'M on 6/24/2014 2:21:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
or how that's data ANYONE cares about.

Give it some time and I wouldn't be surprised to see CA pass a law limiting how cool you can keep your house in the summer as part of some carbon reduction act. NY will follow and restrict how hot you can have it in the winter. MA, afraid of being left out of the lunacy, will pass by-the-hour temperature regulations, with of course the proper forms to fill out if you need special allowance.


RE: My only concern
By Spuke on 6/24/2014 5:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Give it some time and I wouldn't be surprised to see CA pass a law limiting how cool you can keep your house in the summer as part of some carbon reduction act.
One, how is the CA gov going to get access to GOOGLE's data without a warrant? Two, some CA power companies are ALREADY turning down and turning off your A/C. Much like Google services, it's opt in for now.

https://www.sce.com/wps/portal/home/residential/re...


RE: My only concern
By sadsteve on 6/25/2014 9:34:55 AM , Rating: 2
But you sign up for that, it's not imposed upon the customer (I am an SCE customer). They'll basically give you a little discount if you give them access to do that.


RE: My only concern
By kingmotley on 6/24/2014 2:25:11 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Google already knows when you aren't at home because of your smartphone location data.


Apple doesn't provide google with my smartphone data.


RE: My only concern
By wookie1 on 6/24/2014 3:49:52 PM , Rating: 2
Are you sure? Apple isn't the owner of that data, doesn't the cell phone network have it?


We believe you
By wookie1 on 6/24/2014 11:44:55 AM , Rating: 2
We believe you. I mean, there's no way for us to know what data you're passing along but Google's slogan is "don't be evil" so it must all be good.




RE: We believe you
By BRB29 on 6/24/2014 11:48:28 AM , Rating: 3
welcome to the internet where there's no privacy. Don't buy overpriced Nest devices and you're fine.


RE: We believe you
By hughlle on 6/24/2014 12:27:24 PM , Rating: 2
Certainly, we don't know what data is being shared. But did you go and give your nest device your SSN and birth certificate? It's not like Nest has your innermost secrets contained within it's storage chips, it's a thermostat.. I'd not be too concerned about google learning of my heating habits.

And it's one of these things. Who cares? It was a given that by using nest google would get data from it, people are probably taking that into account when buying. Just as they do when signing up for gmail. Or turning on location services. These are not "how could they even dare" issues, these are facts we accept when we use their services.


RE: We believe you
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 12:57:05 PM , Rating: 2
Yes because the fact that you use heating and cooling is a MAJOR intrusion on your privacy and valuable data that Google didn't have before?

Uhhh hello?

Nest HAS to share it's data in order for features to work. Otherwise there's no point in buying a "smart" thermostat when it can't do SMART things.


RE: We believe you
By wookie1 on 6/24/2014 3:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
I actually don't care that much since I know Google owns Nest, that they're a data mining company, and I can choose whether or not to participate. I do consider my heating and cooling settings to be private information for the same reasons that others have pointed out. People may be demonized in the future if they don't use the "correct and approved" settings prescribed by those proclaiming to save us from whatever crisis is coming (energy shortage, global warming/cooling/climate disruption, etc). Isn't the main purpose of the smart grid as envisioned by the gov't to enable more remote control of your energy usage? Sure, there are benefits to the user in seeing energy usage nearly real-time, but the main benefit is central control over your usage.


RE: We believe you
By Reclaimer77 on 6/24/2014 4:05:21 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe if you people protested this Government half as much as you do Google, we wouldn't EVER have to live in a future like that lol.


Programmable thermostat
By chmilz on 6/24/2014 7:10:53 PM , Rating: 2
I set it a couple times a year to account for daylight savings and major seasonal changes. If I upgraded to a Nest or other "smarter" thermostat, I honestly doubt it would save me more than 1-2% over my current setup. That's about $20 per year.

I'm willing to forego that to not have my HVAC system spy on me and try to sell me new air filters and duct cleaning.




RE: Programmable thermostat
By TheSlamma on 6/25/2014 8:37:13 AM , Rating: 2
Just a regular honeywell programmable is fine, our Elec + gas bill even in the middle of winter never exceeds $140 and that is in a 2400 sq ft 90 year old house with only 5 inches of rockwool in the attic and our summer bills never get past $75.

These companies try and press the "smart" BS way too hard, by the time it's done you will never get back your initial investment and your model will need an upgrade by the time you do, my T-stat is 7 years old and ready for another 7 just fine. So spying aside I think it's a gimmick anyway and you people are tossing your money in the fire.


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