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Samsung's latest Android tablets manage to beat Apple's iPads on weight, and thinness

Samsung is bolstering its efforts in the tablet market with two new offerings which JK Shin, CEO of Samsung Electronics’ Mobile Division, says are “setting the industry bar higher for the entire mobile industry.”
 
Like the iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina Display, the 8.4” and 10.5” Galaxy Tab S tablets share the same display resolution and processor/GPU, which means they mainly differ in screen and battery size. That means that both comes equipped with a Exynos 5 Octa processor (1.9 GHz quad-core + 1.3 GHz quad-core) for Wi-Fi models, Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor (2.3GHz quad-core) for LTE models, 3GB RAM, 2560x1600 resolution Super AMOLED displays, 16GB or 32GB of internal storage, microSD expansion, 8MP rear camera, 2.1MP front camera, and optional LTE connectivity. Both tablets of course run Android 4.4 KitKat.

 
Besides the differences in screen size, the 8.4” model comes with a 4,900 mAh battery while the 12.5” model has a larger 7,900 mAh battery.
 
Both models are also thinner and lighter than their respectively iPad counterparts. The 10.5” Galaxy Tab S weighs 465g and is 6.6mm thick compared to 469g and 7.5mm for the iPad Air. Likewise, the 8.4” Galaxy Tab S weighs 294g and is 6.6mm thick compared to 331g and 7.5mm for the iPad mini with Retina Display.

 
The 8.4” and 10.5” Galaxy Tab S will be available next month starting at $399 and $499 respectively. Both will be available in Titanium Bronze or Dazzling White.

 

Source: Samsung



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RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 1:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
"I have NEVER owned a mobile device where I actually had even close to 16gigs worth of apps installed. That is just...stupid."

A normal spread of apps + 2-3 large games will do it easily. It's just not enough anymore.

"These are the MOST complete Android tablets we've ever seen. Period. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but we've never had an Android tablet before so close to being the complete package. And all you can do is nitpick it on ONE thing."

Consider that a compliment. But technically 2 things... the RAM (at that price) and Sambloat. =)

"you go right in with the "Sambloat" and the negativity."

Well, until it goes away, the bloat is an issue and that is a big negative. We thought (you and I even discussed it here) that the Galaxy S5 and new devices would be better, and we have all seen the videos where the lowly Moto E dual core 1.2ghz CPU runs everything faster than the mighty Snap801 quad core at 2.5 ghz on the S5. Samsung hasnt got the message.

Also, Sambloat :P

"Face it, you're a "hater". Still love ya, but yeah, you're just coming off like a hater."

I really hate being called a hater. http://imgur.com/L9jdlzL


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 1:48:01 PM , Rating: 2
Well I can see you aren't interested in a serious discussion or even a fair one.

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and we have all seen the videos where the lowly Moto E dual core 1.2ghz CPU runs everything faster than the mighty Snap801 quad core at 2.5 ghz on the S5.


I would like to see those videos then, with a COMPLETE breakdown of the methodology and using scientific testing conditions.

Because that sounds literally impossible. That's just BS or there's some explanation for why that would be the case. Even "bloat" wouldn't allow such a vastly more powerful device to be outclassed by a budget phone.

No offense but you sound like Android hating Appletards with that kind of hyperbole of an argument.

quote:
Samsung hasnt got the message.


Yeah if only Samsung listened to you, then they could finally sell more phones than HTC or Motorola...

Just..LMAO ok.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 2:20:25 PM , Rating: 2
From Anandtech:

"I finally no longer feel like TouchWiz is a negative to Galaxy phones. Samsung got it almost perfect with the GS5."

And this is from a pro-Apple site! So yeah I think Samsung has gotten the message, and the "bloat" and Touchwiz is vastly improved this round.

And I'm sorry but I read the entire review, and no mention of ANY issue that would even remotely allow a Moto E to be "faster" than the S5.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 4:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
And yet there it is... Slower than the Moto G, that video is not the only test out there and it was done by an Android site, no agenda, just showing the lag that exists.

BTW, it isnt "Touchwiz" , Touchwiz is fine, its just a skin, it's the bloatware. It is there, it is real. Sorry if that bothers you, I am just speaking the truth here.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 4:22:36 PM , Rating: 2
Anandtech scientifically tests everything in a controlled environment using EXACTING standards to ensure a fair and impartial result.

But yeah, you found a video posted by some random person with no mention of specifics or methodology. That's totally more reliable.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 4:28:45 PM , Rating: 2
"Anandtech scientifically tests everything in a controlled environment using EXACTING standards to ensure a fair and impartial result"

Dood, Anandtech has been my home page for literally 16 years now. I seee it I use it I enjoy it, but they are not infallible. The lag exists, i KNOW it exists I have seen it myself on many devices as has everyone else who has done testing on Samsung units . Do you think I made up the term "Sambloat"? FFS, I dont need to prove it to you, everyone already knows it.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 4:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I think I see the problem here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-...

Go to NAND performance. The S5 is lagging behind big time on random read and writes. Which we all know from SSD's, impact visible performance far more than sequential. No question, that needs to be fixed.

So we're not seeing "Sambloat", we're see poor I/O causing the UI to appear laggy and stuttery in some use-cases.

So I dunno, sorry that a few minutes of research invalidates your entire theory.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 4:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
Argh of course, I just remembered that Motorola uses that Flash Friendly File System.

Yeah sorry, "Sambloat" nothing. This is strictly an I/O issue.

Which is ironic because Samsung created it but doesn't use it in their own phones lol.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 6:09:03 PM , Rating: 2
"So we're not seeing "Sambloat", we're see poor I/O causing the UI to appear laggy and stuttery in some use-cases."

Now that I think about it this does make sense... It goes away when you remove the bloat, but flash's issue on the old file system especially is always random read/write i/o. That would make sense why it is slow and why it goes away when you remove the bloat... It also explains why its not always bad, but often...

Still, no matter how you look at that it's a piss poor design and leads to a laggy product. There is no way to say it other than poor choices made by Samsungs s/w teams either way.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 7:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I don't understand why Samsung went with sequential > random this time. Especially how their previous models have always ranked near the top in I/O.

UNLESS the phone is not working as intended, in that case we'll just see if they are going to fix this later.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 5:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
No, it doesnt... It's not a benchmark issue, it needs a more tactile test. This is how to test.

1. Get a Samsung phone and a few others, like a Moto E, X, or an LG G2, One M8, anything non-Samsung.

2. Launch app - chrome is a good one - launches faster on all non-Samsung phones.
3. Load a web page and scroll up and down. Note the chop.
4. Transitions, just going from homepage to homepage can chop out on a Samsung phone.
5. Now root your Samsung phone, and disable the Samsung bloat. BOOM, fast as hell now.

I have done this myself on many friends and family phones. I kid you not. Whatever the issue is, it goes away when you disable the Samsung and carrier apps, and then your Samsung phone shines. The point is you shouldnt have to root it to get it operating at a a normal speed.

Look, the S5 is better than previous (the S4 and Note 3 were the "bloatpeak", but its still there to a lesser extent. There is nothing you can say or link that changes that.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By ritualm on 6/14/2014 8:57:23 PM , Rating: 2
I am amazed at Reclaimer77's insistence that Sambloat is a godsend to Android. I've seen Sambloat in action, and using it is like playing multiplayer FPS with a satellite internet connection - it's doable, but it's not enjoyable, because the lag really sucks.

My S4 must be rooted on Day 1 just so I can get rid of Sambloat and its world-famous lag issues. I shouldn't have to do that to get a good user experience out of my phone, for crying out loud. If I'm less technically inclined, I'd think all Samsung Android-powered devices are horrible because of Sambloat, and seek other alternatives.

It's really that bad.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/15/2014 8:44:44 AM , Rating: 2
"I am amazed at Reclaimer77's insistence that Sambloat is a godsend to Android."

I don't think he was saying that it was a godsend, he seems to think it isn't that much of an issue - Which I wholly disagree. It is. It is bad and it gives the whole Android platform a bad impression. I havent sen an S5 in person other than thse videos where a lowly Moto E outpaces it in the UI and scrolling, but I have seen several Note 3's one of which I used extensively, and even it lags like crazy -much worse than the S5 in the videos. Even just launching a single app like chrome there is an extremely noticeable delay.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/17/2014 6:08:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I am amazed at Reclaimer77's insistence that Sambloat is a godsend to Android.


Yeah that's totally what I'm saying...

Meh I'm not even playing this game with you. Illiteracy is so sad to see.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 2:25:03 PM , Rating: 2
"Well I can see you aren't interested in a serious discussion or even a fair one."

Not at all true... Let's go then.

"I would like to see those videos then, with a COMPLETE breakdown of the methodology and using scientific testing conditions"

The link is below, but you can Google it for other tests as well. They don't get into the methodology, just a fresh boot and running side by side... Not much to it, I am sure its not faster running a GPU benchmark, it's just timing the UI, scrolling and transitions (the areas where ALL Samsung phones lag).

I can tell you from first hand experience with S3, S4, Note2, Note3. They are all bloated as hell and can really run slow at times. Comparing the stock LGG2 to the stock Note 3 (Same exact CPU, res, and RAM) is like night and day with speed. EVERYTHING launches faster, scrolls faster, every single transition is smoother. Even the old S3 when debloated runs everything faster than stock Note3. I know you don't want to admit it, but I am telling you, it's a huge difference. Android itself doesn't need much speed, and that is why the Moto E runs so well. It's ALL about the bloat .

What do you have now? I know you had an S2 years ago. Have you used a recent Samsung device for any extended amount of time?

http://phandroid.com/2014/05/19/samsung-galaxy-s5-...


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