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Samsung's latest Android tablets manage to beat Apple's iPads on weight, and thinness

Samsung is bolstering its efforts in the tablet market with two new offerings which JK Shin, CEO of Samsung Electronics’ Mobile Division, says are “setting the industry bar higher for the entire mobile industry.”
 
Like the iPad Air and iPad mini with Retina Display, the 8.4” and 10.5” Galaxy Tab S tablets share the same display resolution and processor/GPU, which means they mainly differ in screen and battery size. That means that both comes equipped with a Exynos 5 Octa processor (1.9 GHz quad-core + 1.3 GHz quad-core) for Wi-Fi models, Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 processor (2.3GHz quad-core) for LTE models, 3GB RAM, 2560x1600 resolution Super AMOLED displays, 16GB or 32GB of internal storage, microSD expansion, 8MP rear camera, 2.1MP front camera, and optional LTE connectivity. Both tablets of course run Android 4.4 KitKat.

 
Besides the differences in screen size, the 8.4” model comes with a 4,900 mAh battery while the 12.5” model has a larger 7,900 mAh battery.
 
Both models are also thinner and lighter than their respectively iPad counterparts. The 10.5” Galaxy Tab S weighs 465g and is 6.6mm thick compared to 469g and 7.5mm for the iPad Air. Likewise, the 8.4” Galaxy Tab S weighs 294g and is 6.6mm thick compared to 331g and 7.5mm for the iPad mini with Retina Display.

 
The 8.4” and 10.5” Galaxy Tab S will be available next month starting at $399 and $499 respectively. Both will be available in Titanium Bronze or Dazzling White.

 

Source: Samsung



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RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 10:17:16 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, 16gb is fine for a cheaper device, but come on. $500 for 16gb, and your "bloatware suite especial"? Not at all worth it Samsung. There are FAR better purchases to be had.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 10:59:49 AM , Rating: 2
Can we stop pretending that tablets are storage devices? Learn 2 Cloud people...

Anyway it has an SD slot, wtf is the problem here? You are NOT being limited to 16 gigs.

I think you're being highly critical just because you're all anti-Samsung now. Jesus, look at these specs!! Do you see a better tablet on the market for ANY price than this?

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There are FAR better purchases to be had.


LMAO, okay name them. I dare you. What is better??


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Spuke on 6/13/2014 12:20:21 PM , Rating: 2
Some people here are just weird. This is probably Samsung's best tablet IMO. FINALLY the specs match the price they charge. And with that Sears deal, this is a no brainer. Too bad I have absolutely zero need for a tablet.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 12:28:39 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get it. Samsung is pretty much the only Android vendor supporting additional storage. Especially in a tablet, and people are going to bi*tch about the internal storage?

So I guess for %499 it needs to have the best screen with QHD, 100GB of storage, an SD slot, the top SoC, AND be lighter and thinner than Apple's tablets....

Gee Retro doesn't ask for much, does he?


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 12:37:24 PM , Rating: 2
I didnt ask for any of that... The same spec as is at 32gb would be fine... For $500, put in another 2 dollars worth of flash FFS.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By karimtemple on 6/13/2014 2:11:13 PM , Rating: 2
You really come up with the strangest things to argue about. I love to argue, but even I don't pick arguments that are stupid.

Of course we like the tablet. It's great. But once again, the "$500 and all you get is 16GB" thing is getting really old. It isn't 2011 anymore.

Again, that's: Love the tablet, hate the 16GB for $500.

We all know the BoM on these things is like $300. They could put 16 more goddamn gigabytes in it. Saying that is not saying "OMFG I HATE SAMSUNG." Stop being weird.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 2:31:50 PM , Rating: 2
Samsung is obviously targeting the iPad with these tablets. And if Apple is getting $100 per memory upgrade, then OFC Samsung is going to do the same. That's just basic business!

But at least with Samsung, you get an SD slot. That's all I'm saying. For the same money as the iPad, there's WAY more value here.

Of course I would love to have a terabyte on every device I own. But that's just not the world we live in right now.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By ritualm on 6/15/2014 2:09:42 PM , Rating: 2
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But at least with Samsung, you get an SD slot.

Thanks to KitKat, that SD slot is useless , so you're still looking at 16GB for $500. Samsung can put another 16GB into that tablet and the BOM goes up by a dollar at most.

"WAY more value"? Yeah right. This thing is overpriced by a full one hundred bucks.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 12:35:55 PM , Rating: 2
Man, you are really up it with Samsung aren't you? Whats the deal with that? You speak out against rabid fanboyism, but as soon as anyone doesn't like a Samsung move, you are all over it. Balance my friend. It's a product, not your momma I insulted. ;)

"Can we stop pretending that tablets are storage devices? Learn 2 Cloud people..."

If you want a $500 tablet with 16gb, then YOU buy it. I personally think its a ripoff. The only other company that sells ram at prices like that is Apple.

"Anyway it has an SD slot, wtf is the problem here? You are NOT being limited to 16 gigs."

Check your tech. Kit Kat makes it next to impossible to install apps on SD. SD is great for storage and backups, but Apps cant go there anymore. Blame Google, fine, but 16gb isnt enough for a high end tablet, phone or anything anymore.

Gpad for $299
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...

Fire HDX - Same res, same CPU,m 32gb for $389 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BHJRYYS/ref=fs_ta

even the tab pro is less at $399 and it's almost exactly the same spec.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-10-1-Tablet-B...

or if you like Windows. http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-M80TA-B1-BK-8-0-Inch-Ta...


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 1:18:20 PM , Rating: 1
I have NEVER owned a mobile device where I actually had even close to 16gigs worth of apps installed. That is just...stupid.

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Man, you are really up it with Samsung aren't you? Whats the deal with that? You speak out against rabid fanboyism, but as soon as anyone doesn't like a Samsung move


Because I think this is a pretty impressive tablet? Wow umm ok...

As predicted, you posted a bunch of tablets that are *close*, but are lacking in one area or the other. Oh and good call with the cheap ass crappy Windows PC tablet with an 800p screen. I'm sure that's totally on par with these...just come on!

These are the MOST complete Android tablets we've ever seen. Period. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but we've never had an Android tablet before so close to being the complete package.

And all you can do is nitpick it on ONE thing.

Sorry but I really feel I'm the one being more balanced here. As soon as a Samsung article is posted, you go right in with the "Sambloat" and the negativity. It's pretty clear YOU are biased.

And you know what, if EVERYONE else was throwing huge storage sizes on mobile devices, and Samsung wasn't, you would have a point. Unfortunately the fact that this is the norm, not the exception, renders your complaints moot.

At least Samsung gives us SD options, and you can't even take that into consideration.

Face it, you're a "hater". Still love ya, but yeah, you're just coming off like a hater.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 1:41:26 PM , Rating: 2
"I have NEVER owned a mobile device where I actually had even close to 16gigs worth of apps installed. That is just...stupid."

A normal spread of apps + 2-3 large games will do it easily. It's just not enough anymore.

"These are the MOST complete Android tablets we've ever seen. Period. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but we've never had an Android tablet before so close to being the complete package. And all you can do is nitpick it on ONE thing."

Consider that a compliment. But technically 2 things... the RAM (at that price) and Sambloat. =)

"you go right in with the "Sambloat" and the negativity."

Well, until it goes away, the bloat is an issue and that is a big negative. We thought (you and I even discussed it here) that the Galaxy S5 and new devices would be better, and we have all seen the videos where the lowly Moto E dual core 1.2ghz CPU runs everything faster than the mighty Snap801 quad core at 2.5 ghz on the S5. Samsung hasnt got the message.

Also, Sambloat :P

"Face it, you're a "hater". Still love ya, but yeah, you're just coming off like a hater."

I really hate being called a hater. http://imgur.com/L9jdlzL


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 1:48:01 PM , Rating: 2
Well I can see you aren't interested in a serious discussion or even a fair one.

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and we have all seen the videos where the lowly Moto E dual core 1.2ghz CPU runs everything faster than the mighty Snap801 quad core at 2.5 ghz on the S5.


I would like to see those videos then, with a COMPLETE breakdown of the methodology and using scientific testing conditions.

Because that sounds literally impossible. That's just BS or there's some explanation for why that would be the case. Even "bloat" wouldn't allow such a vastly more powerful device to be outclassed by a budget phone.

No offense but you sound like Android hating Appletards with that kind of hyperbole of an argument.

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Samsung hasnt got the message.


Yeah if only Samsung listened to you, then they could finally sell more phones than HTC or Motorola...

Just..LMAO ok.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 2:20:25 PM , Rating: 2
From Anandtech:

"I finally no longer feel like TouchWiz is a negative to Galaxy phones. Samsung got it almost perfect with the GS5."

And this is from a pro-Apple site! So yeah I think Samsung has gotten the message, and the "bloat" and Touchwiz is vastly improved this round.

And I'm sorry but I read the entire review, and no mention of ANY issue that would even remotely allow a Moto E to be "faster" than the S5.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 4:19:30 PM , Rating: 2
And yet there it is... Slower than the Moto G, that video is not the only test out there and it was done by an Android site, no agenda, just showing the lag that exists.

BTW, it isnt "Touchwiz" , Touchwiz is fine, its just a skin, it's the bloatware. It is there, it is real. Sorry if that bothers you, I am just speaking the truth here.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 4:22:36 PM , Rating: 2
Anandtech scientifically tests everything in a controlled environment using EXACTING standards to ensure a fair and impartial result.

But yeah, you found a video posted by some random person with no mention of specifics or methodology. That's totally more reliable.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 4:28:45 PM , Rating: 2
"Anandtech scientifically tests everything in a controlled environment using EXACTING standards to ensure a fair and impartial result"

Dood, Anandtech has been my home page for literally 16 years now. I seee it I use it I enjoy it, but they are not infallible. The lag exists, i KNOW it exists I have seen it myself on many devices as has everyone else who has done testing on Samsung units . Do you think I made up the term "Sambloat"? FFS, I dont need to prove it to you, everyone already knows it.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 4:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I think I see the problem here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-...

Go to NAND performance. The S5 is lagging behind big time on random read and writes. Which we all know from SSD's, impact visible performance far more than sequential. No question, that needs to be fixed.

So we're not seeing "Sambloat", we're see poor I/O causing the UI to appear laggy and stuttery in some use-cases.

So I dunno, sorry that a few minutes of research invalidates your entire theory.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 4:38:46 PM , Rating: 2
Argh of course, I just remembered that Motorola uses that Flash Friendly File System.

Yeah sorry, "Sambloat" nothing. This is strictly an I/O issue.

Which is ironic because Samsung created it but doesn't use it in their own phones lol.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 6:09:03 PM , Rating: 2
"So we're not seeing "Sambloat", we're see poor I/O causing the UI to appear laggy and stuttery in some use-cases."

Now that I think about it this does make sense... It goes away when you remove the bloat, but flash's issue on the old file system especially is always random read/write i/o. That would make sense why it is slow and why it goes away when you remove the bloat... It also explains why its not always bad, but often...

Still, no matter how you look at that it's a piss poor design and leads to a laggy product. There is no way to say it other than poor choices made by Samsungs s/w teams either way.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/13/2014 7:48:53 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. I don't understand why Samsung went with sequential > random this time. Especially how their previous models have always ranked near the top in I/O.

UNLESS the phone is not working as intended, in that case we'll just see if they are going to fix this later.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 5:02:46 PM , Rating: 2
No, it doesnt... It's not a benchmark issue, it needs a more tactile test. This is how to test.

1. Get a Samsung phone and a few others, like a Moto E, X, or an LG G2, One M8, anything non-Samsung.

2. Launch app - chrome is a good one - launches faster on all non-Samsung phones.
3. Load a web page and scroll up and down. Note the chop.
4. Transitions, just going from homepage to homepage can chop out on a Samsung phone.
5. Now root your Samsung phone, and disable the Samsung bloat. BOOM, fast as hell now.

I have done this myself on many friends and family phones. I kid you not. Whatever the issue is, it goes away when you disable the Samsung and carrier apps, and then your Samsung phone shines. The point is you shouldnt have to root it to get it operating at a a normal speed.

Look, the S5 is better than previous (the S4 and Note 3 were the "bloatpeak", but its still there to a lesser extent. There is nothing you can say or link that changes that.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By ritualm on 6/14/2014 8:57:23 PM , Rating: 2
I am amazed at Reclaimer77's insistence that Sambloat is a godsend to Android. I've seen Sambloat in action, and using it is like playing multiplayer FPS with a satellite internet connection - it's doable, but it's not enjoyable, because the lag really sucks.

My S4 must be rooted on Day 1 just so I can get rid of Sambloat and its world-famous lag issues. I shouldn't have to do that to get a good user experience out of my phone, for crying out loud. If I'm less technically inclined, I'd think all Samsung Android-powered devices are horrible because of Sambloat, and seek other alternatives.

It's really that bad.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/15/2014 8:44:44 AM , Rating: 2
"I am amazed at Reclaimer77's insistence that Sambloat is a godsend to Android."

I don't think he was saying that it was a godsend, he seems to think it isn't that much of an issue - Which I wholly disagree. It is. It is bad and it gives the whole Android platform a bad impression. I havent sen an S5 in person other than thse videos where a lowly Moto E outpaces it in the UI and scrolling, but I have seen several Note 3's one of which I used extensively, and even it lags like crazy -much worse than the S5 in the videos. Even just launching a single app like chrome there is an extremely noticeable delay.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/17/2014 6:08:18 PM , Rating: 2
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I am amazed at Reclaimer77's insistence that Sambloat is a godsend to Android.


Yeah that's totally what I'm saying...

Meh I'm not even playing this game with you. Illiteracy is so sad to see.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 2:25:03 PM , Rating: 2
"Well I can see you aren't interested in a serious discussion or even a fair one."

Not at all true... Let's go then.

"I would like to see those videos then, with a COMPLETE breakdown of the methodology and using scientific testing conditions"

The link is below, but you can Google it for other tests as well. They don't get into the methodology, just a fresh boot and running side by side... Not much to it, I am sure its not faster running a GPU benchmark, it's just timing the UI, scrolling and transitions (the areas where ALL Samsung phones lag).

I can tell you from first hand experience with S3, S4, Note2, Note3. They are all bloated as hell and can really run slow at times. Comparing the stock LGG2 to the stock Note 3 (Same exact CPU, res, and RAM) is like night and day with speed. EVERYTHING launches faster, scrolls faster, every single transition is smoother. Even the old S3 when debloated runs everything faster than stock Note3. I know you don't want to admit it, but I am telling you, it's a huge difference. Android itself doesn't need much speed, and that is why the Moto E runs so well. It's ALL about the bloat .

What do you have now? I know you had an S2 years ago. Have you used a recent Samsung device for any extended amount of time?

http://phandroid.com/2014/05/19/samsung-galaxy-s5-...


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/13/2014 2:54:06 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I have NEVER owned a mobile device where I actually had even close to 16gigs worth of apps installed. That is just...stupid.


Apps on Android are terrible so I understand why you wouldn't need much storage.

The whole argument doesn't matter though. SD cards are only good for media. They're way too slow for apps and Google doesn't really support them anyway. The policy changes in KitKat are just the beginning.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 3:53:33 PM , Rating: 2
"Apps on Android are terrible so I understand why you wouldn't need much storage."

/rollseyes

Clueless.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/13/2014 7:37:48 PM , Rating: 3
That denial tho.

Stockholm Syndrome, tell me what it's like.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/13/2014 7:58:38 PM , Rating: 2
Do you have anything other than apps? You bring it in to every conversation. We are talking about memory and if 16gb is enough, and you come out of left field with a rediculous comment about apps. It just looks trollish. Surely you can admit that right?


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By KoolAidMan1 on 6/15/2014 3:48:29 AM , Rating: 2
Stability, security, support, performance, those are all things too. You really want to get into another discussion about where else Android is lagging?

And obviously apps matter in a discussion about memory. 16GB is obviously not enough for any device. It should be 32GB minimum internal storage by now, but if you don't really use apps, and most Android users don't, then it doesn't really matter. Expansion doesn't solve this since it's only good for media and Google is depreciating support as we speak.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By retrospooty on 6/15/2014 8:38:17 AM , Rating: 2
"16GB is obviously not enough for any device. It should be 32GB minimum internal storage by now"

That is exactly what I was saying this whole time, and that is what this thread was about. You just came out of left field with "Android apps suck" which is A) off topic and B) Your personal (and incorrect) soapbox rant.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By ritualm on 6/14/2014 8:46:08 PM , Rating: 2
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Learn 2 Cloud people...

Replace local storage with one that requires an active, bandwidth-limited connection to be any useful? You make me laugh.
quote:
Anyway it has an SD slot, wtf is the problem here? You are NOT being limited to 16 gigs.

Google is steadily chipping away at external SD card support since 4.4+. Those Tabs can have microSDXC slots and they're pretty much useless after Android system updates.
quote:
I think you're being highly critical just because you're all anti-Samsung now. Jesus, look at these specs!! Do you see a better tablet on the market for ANY price than this?

In the same way that DT doesn't need any more Apple fanboys, it doesn't need any more Samsung fanboys - like you, Reclaimer77.

Since you are unwilling to use your pea-sized brain for anything analytically useful, you should as well stop breathing.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/15/2014 8:19:33 AM , Rating: 2
Google also tried to eliminate the menu button on Android, Samsung decided it was staying for a while.

See, it doesn't matter what Google wants to do with SD card support. Samsung is free to take Android and extend that support for as long as they see fit, and there's nothing Google or anyone else can do about it.

quote:
Replace local storage with one that requires an active, bandwidth-limited connection to be any useful? You make me laugh.


That's how tablets have worked since day one, hello? Ever heard of YouTube or Netflix?? Or do you sit there and try watching everything from media files? Knowing you, probably the latter.

Now I'm not saying more storage wouldn't be great, sure I would love as much storage as I can get. But in a typical use-case for the majority of people it just doesn't matter for a tablet.

And you can call me an Samsung fanboi all you want. That doesn't change the fact that these are the best Android tablets currently available on the market. That doesn't mean I think they are PERFECT. But it's just a fact, sorry you don't like it.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By ritualm on 6/15/2014 2:01:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's how tablets have worked since day one, hello? Ever heard of YouTube or Netflix?? Or do you sit there and try watching everything from media files? Knowing you, probably the latter.

And exactly why is that such a bad thing? Oh right, your eyeballs are too glued to Google to notice that the cloud is no substitute to local storage.
quote:
Now I'm not saying more storage wouldn't be great, sure I would love as much storage as I can get. But in a typical use-case for the majority of people it just doesn't matter for a tablet.

The typical use case of tablets for the majority of people revolves around games. 16GB is too little. On a tablet where Sambloat eats more than a gigabyte of the 14.3GB total available internal storage space, that's a lot.
quote:
And you can call me an Samsung fanboi all you want. That doesn't change the fact that these are the best Android tablets currently available on the market. That doesn't mean I think they are PERFECT.

Way to contradict yourself in the same paragraph, and that third sentence does nothing to hide your unquestioned worship of Samsung.

You have a problem with tonyswash and Nortel drowning themselves in Apple Kool-Aid. Yet you start circling wagons and call others "retards" when they point out how you're being a hypocrite with your overzealous promotion of everything Samsung/Google. You treat every dissenting comment as a personal attack, and you have less grace than Tim Cook when it comes to knowing when to legitimately tell someone to pound sand.


RE: Happy with my Samsung...
By nikon133 on 6/15/2014 5:58:38 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't that really very relative to one's needs?

Personally... for around $450, I'd go for Lenovo ThinkPad Tablet 8.

It is "only" 8" 1080p display, but it has decent CPU, plenty of storage, USB port... and I'm finding my current Windows tablet so much more useful than my current Android tablet, so there's that. Works flawlessly in my home network, access to printers, scanner, file shares... cloud is fine, but price of internet access in many hotels (and lack of quality) is a turn-down for me when away from home. And at home, lan is so much more convenient than cloud - if you have capacity.

For $450, you can get this SKU on Amazon:

Intel Z3770 Quad Core 1.46GHz(2MB Cache, boost up to 2.39GHz)
Windows 8.1 32-bit
Office Home and Student 2013 Full Version
Intel HD graphics (Bay Trail)
2GB PC3 DDR3 onboard memory
64 GB eMMC storage
Up to 8 hours of battery
802.11 a/b/g/n wifi - Bluetooth 4.0
1 x Mini USB 3.0 - Micro HDMI 1.4a - MicroSD Slot

Alternatively, Lenovo Miix 2 is listed at $499 on Lenovo US site, with 10" 1080p display, 64GB storage, microSD, USB port. And all the same benefits as above mentioned TPTablet 8.


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