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Metallica, the largest opponents to online distribution, decided to no longer let the dollars slip away

Veteran band Metallica, one of the first music artists to take offense to the original peer-to-peer file sharing program Napster, has decided to offer their music for sale on the Apple iTunes music download service.  Although the band has had entire albums available via the Internet for years, this is the first time where individual tracks can be downloaded.  Starting on Tuesday, the band put up its entire backlog of 10 albums on iTunes.  Metallica also made several unreleased tracks available  for their first four albums.  Due to Metallica's record company overseas not wanting to "play ball," songs can only be offered on iTunes in the U.S. and Canada.  According to a press release on Metallica's web site: 

Over the last year or so, we have seen an ever-growing number of Metallica fans using online sites like iTunes to get their music. So, in continuing with the tradition of offering our albums for sale online (which we've been doing for a few years through various sites), as well as making our live concerts available for download in their entirety (through the livemetallica.com site), we are now offering fans the opportunity to obtain our songs individually.

Metallica didn't want to offer individual songs on iTunes after the program's launch in 2003, because the band didn't want to "contribute to the demise of the album format."  The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, along with Radiohead are just a few examples of bands that are currently have declined the option of having content on iTunes.

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Metallica can...
By retrospooty on 7/28/2006 8:44:32 PM , Rating: 5
Bite me.

I will never, ever, EVAR spend a sinlge cent on thier money grubbing sell-out asses.




RE: Metallica can...
By retrospooty on 7/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: Metallica can...
By shadowzz on 7/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: Metallica can...
By rklaver on 7/28/2006 8:55:57 PM , Rating: 2
LOL...LOL

Agreed!


RE: Metallica can...
By Nekrik on 7/28/2006 9:26:26 PM , Rating: 2
I think we'll have more agreement here than on any other thread on DT/Anand :)

&uck Em All!


Greedy ass bastards. While they did have great influence with their music, they're fricken jerks.


RE: Metallica can...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2006 3:41:31 PM , Rating: 2
God forbid an artist actually want people to stop stealing their music. The whole band should be roasted over hot coals for their presumption!


RE: Metallica can...
By poohbear on 7/31/2006 5:21:08 AM , Rating: 2
not stealing music, they said they didnt want to contribute to the "demise of albums". meaning, they wanted ppl to buy whole albums and waste money on songs they dont like, instead of buying single songs for much cheaper.


RE: Metallica can...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/31/2006 9:04:32 AM , Rating: 2
The primary reason Metallica is hated (at least by music pirates) is for their copyright-infringement suit against Napster, not for their views on the artistic benefits of the album format.


RE: Metallica can...
By hexsel on 8/1/2006 12:13:50 PM , Rating: 2
The primary reason they are hated is for caring for money more than they care for fans.


RE: Metallica can...
By Hare on 7/31/2006 11:40:04 AM , Rating: 2
You do know that "artists don't make singles they make albums" :P


No Talent
By Flunk on 7/30/2006 10:03:40 AM , Rating: 2
Who cares? Metalica is a horrible band anyway. Every single song is the same!




RE: No Talent
By Hare on 7/30/2006 11:40:57 AM , Rating: 2
Yes. That's exactly why they are considered to be the biggest metal act on earth and a huge influencer to todays metal-music. They also have no talent and they sound horrible etc. Still they have hundreds of millions of fans. Coincidence... If you have nothing intelligent to say maybe skip pressing the submit button?


RE: No Talent
By sapbeast on 7/30/2006 3:16:06 PM , Rating: 2
Because the first amendment only counts when you use it! People may possibly have different opinions about music than you do.


RE: No Talent
By Hare on 7/30/2006 5:14:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Because the first amendment only counts when you use it! People may possibly have different opinions about music than you do.
Arguing over personal taste is just idiotic. Even more idiotic is posting messages like the OP did.


RE: No Talent
By Hare on 7/30/2006 5:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
By the way. That was the only message "Flunk" has posted on DT so thumbs up. No one cares about your personal taste and posting "they suck [...]" messages is just waste of bandwidth.


RE: No Talent
By Flunk on 7/30/2006 7:58:09 PM , Rating: 2
So is posting 5 replys to an obvious joke. But then again this post is prietty much a waste of space too.


RE: No Talent
By sapbeast on 7/30/2006 8:21:21 PM , Rating: 2
translation of Hare post: "People are saying bad things about something I like! Ban them! Prevent them from posting!"

Other people have different opinion than you. The rules you agree to when you sign up.

* Harassing other users or employees
* Excessive use of derogatory language
* Excessive “neffing” or posting pointless, offtopic comments
* Spamming

Your posting could be classified under this.


RE: No Talent
By Hare on 7/31/2006 2:36:40 AM , Rating: 2
Bad translation. I kinda agree actually (at least when it comes to their new album). I just don't see any point filling the board with pointless messages about personal taste (and horrible generalizations). Let's just quit the subject? I don't think any of us really care enough to write >6 messages about this?


RE: No Talent
By rushfan2006 on 7/31/2006 11:30:32 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Who cares? Metalica is a horrible band anyway. Every single song is the same!


The irony to the above quote, in today's music scene...is so thick you can practically choke on it.

Yep yep....rap music, hip hop, dance...yeah they NEVER sound alike and yep yep..the talent rap artists have is far and beyond Metallica and really any band that plays intstruments....even bands that suck generally sound better than that stuff... ;)



I created an account
By dluther on 7/28/2006 9:23:05 PM , Rating: 4
Just so I could post this "who gives a flying f*#k".

To me, Metallica has always represented the epitome of self-indulgent, whining puppets. They could have, at any time started their own digital content division and offered their "songs" for download, offering a 32Kbps "trial" for free, then stepping up to 128/192Kbps format and charged whatever the market would bear, just like the greedy capitalists they are.

And everybody would have been happy.

I hope these guys rot in hell. Okay, they're already going to rot in hell, but I hope they go broke doing it.




RE: I created an account
By shadowzz on 7/28/2006 9:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
Amen


RE: I created an account
By retrospooty on 7/28/2006 9:33:23 PM , Rating: 3
LOL, I am sure kharmic justice has already hit them.

They were SOOOOOOO concered about thier money, and a few sorry saps that were downloading it for free. Now they are way past thier prime, and no-one buys their stuff, their last CD was devoid of anything worthwhile and not many people bought it. Now they are hurting for cash and willing to make a little bit of it from itunes. LOL.


RE: I created an account
By nutxo on 7/29/2006 2:33:56 AM , Rating: 2
I seriously doubt they are hurting for cash. More like hurting for public approval again.


RE: I created an account
By uksupramk3 on 7/28/06, Rating: 0
RE: I created an account
By Darth Farter on 7/30/2006 2:59:07 AM , Rating: 2
*seconded*


RE: I created an account
By Jkm3141 on 8/1/2006 11:43:23 AM , Rating: 2
you say that like capitalists are bad? should we all be communist? capitalism made this country great.


Hey look
By Griswold on 7/29/2006 3:41:45 AM , Rating: 2
Look at the peanut gallery here posting. They hear "Metallica" and the next thoughts in their mind is "Napster" and "Lawsuit" - most of the kids here dont even know what exactly went down between the two or what Napster used to be in the first place.

The article title is also horribly misleading.

And no, I'm not a metallica fan.




RE: Hey look
By Hare on 7/29/2006 6:09:45 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly. Most of the people bashing metallica are brainless mtv-puppets listening and adoring anything that is decided to be cool for them. These same people don't even know what the whole lawsuits were about as you said. But hey. The empty kettle rattles the most. That's why 85% of all messages on public forums are just brainless yada yada.

Metallica is (was) a phenomenom and continues to interest their huge fanbase. The fact that iTunes now has Metallica is a big thing.

As a sidenote. The people who say metallica has no talent etc. Ha, they pioneered their genre and most of the older songs are technically amazing. I really don't care about those songs but I can definately respect their talent as a guitarist.


RE: Hey look
By retrospooty on 7/29/2006 9:33:49 AM , Rating: 2
I beg to differ. I am 35 years old, I hate MTV and all it stands for, and most people posting anything about Metallica are old as well. The MTV crowd you speak of is 15 years old now, and doesn't even know who or what Metallica is.

I was a huge Metallica fan back in the days up to load, and re-load, and I stopped caring about them entirely after the Napster crap they pulled, and listening to Lars sit there in his own words sounding like a greedy corp. stooge.


RE: Hey look
By Hare on 7/29/2006 11:59:36 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree. After the Black album it has been downhill. Load and Re-Load are ok, but the newest album is just. Garbage. The songs are bad and the sound itself is awful. The drums sound like crap...


RE: Hey look
By ssvegeta1010 on 7/29/06, Rating: 0
RE: Hey look
By Snuffalufagus on 7/29/2006 1:54:49 PM , Rating: 2
You're way off base with your comment, some of us just saw how much they suck and how greedy they are. The movie was a pitiful attempt to sucker their fans out of another dollar. Even after they were a huge influence on the music we litened to growing up their obvious agenda is just sad and pitifull, they're full of themselves and it'd be nice to never hear from them again.


'tallica
By Crysalis99 on 7/28/2006 9:51:22 PM , Rating: 2
So call me a fan boy, which i am. But i hate to break it to ya but theyre not against filesharing per se. Back in 2000 or 2001 Lars did an in interview with MTV about thier suit against napster. He said that they didnt care if people shared thier songs, they just got a little pissed that people were doing it BEFORE the music was released...

Just a thought




RE: 'tallica
By BioRebel on 7/28/2006 10:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
OH no! Heaven forbid we know the cd sucked before we bought it.


RE: 'tallica
By Crysalis99 on 7/28/2006 10:32:06 PM , Rating: 3
haah ok, ive established im a total fanboy....while i can understand from thier perspective, i understand yours/ours...ill be up front and tell ya im a huge pirate, but most of what i got throughout the years either makes or breaks the buy (IE your statement)...so while i agree with your statement, i also can see where theyre coming from


RE: 'tallica
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2006 4:39:23 PM , Rating: 1
Heaven forbid you have to pay for music you want to listen to.


they havent been metallica for a long time
By rika13 on 7/31/2006 6:23:56 AM , Rating: 2
the REAL metallica died in a tour bus accident when their bassist cliff burton was killed, cliff was the prime force of their technical acheivement (big music theory guy); im pretty sure that if cliff were still here, metallica would have been the first group to endorse napster, have a significant internet prescence, and tragidies like the black album and the load/reload "double album as two albums" (so they can make more money) would never have happened




RE: they havent been metallica for a long time
By Hare on 7/31/2006 7:57:18 AM , Rating: 2
I can understand people complaining about St. Anger and even load/reload but the black album ? :|


By EODetroit on 7/31/2006 10:54:55 AM , Rating: 2
I'm a Metallica fan, I even like Load and Re-Load, I went and paid for the CDs waiting in line at midnight at the local shop on the day of release... unlike some fans and haters I can be realistic though. Starting with the fact that I don't ever expect a band to keep releasing the same stuff over and over... bands evolve. I would be disappointed if every Metallica album was another Ride the Lightning clone... the band members can't stay 22 years old forever.

When the black album came out, people complained that it sucked. I heard that people said the same thing when Justice came out, but I don't know, I was only like 13 then and didn't know about Metallica yet. As far back as I can remember, people have been saying that the current Metallica sucks, and only the previous stuff was any good. I figure in 20 years people will think St. Anger is good and the latest 3 albums (or do I mean downloads... the album format by then will be dead lol) suck.

Someone always has to throw a Cliff comment in there too. He's been dead for 20 years or so... time to move on people. He's like the metal version of Lennon I guess. Some things aren't meant to be, get over it.

As for the lyrics:

quote:
Now I lay Lars down to sleep
I pray his copyrights to keep
If he gets poor before he wakes
He'll have to sell fries and shakes.

Hush little Larie, don't say a word
And never mind that noise you heard
It's just the fans making bootleg tapes
I hope you choke on your sour grapes


That's just brilliant, is that really a Weird Al song?


By RMTimeKill on 7/31/2006 11:16:29 AM , Rating: 2
No kidding, I think Master of Puppets and self titled (the "Black" album never actually "had" a title, everyone just dubbed it as such) where the largest cause of their MASSIVE explosion of popularity. I give Metallica full credit for their dues, because;
- unlike rap, where its all about thugs (definition of a thug: someone who is to weak to stand alone and succeed in the world and must rely on supportive organisations, aka gangs, to raise his self esteem about being a loser )
- unlike mtv genre where its all about sex,
- unlike country, where when you sing every song backwards, he sobers up, gets his dog, woman and truck back and is in a good mood...
Metallica has a LOT of real life reference, struggle, personal suffrage and original truth behind it. Anyone who says that their songs all sound the same obviously has not sat down and listened to them. Metallica is an American Icon, to disrespect that fact, like them or not, is open disrespect for American Music History. Actually that’s an understatement, they are a World Icon. While all the other "rock" bands of the day where wearing spandex, singing in girly voices, and trying to look g@y as possible, Metallica was laying the way for modern metal, punk, and alternative, etc. Simply because the sound of St. Anger was more so mediocre does not make it any less impressive if, like in all their previous albums, you listen to the message its just as (if not more) powerful as before…

Personally I am kind of glad they put the lawsuit against Napster, and contributed to its closing down (even if only temporary) because it was becoming flooded with way too much low quality garbage. Half the stuff downloaded was semi in-audible.


By rushfan2006 on 7/31/2006 11:20:39 AM , Rating: 2
Well after reading most of the threads on this, with a few exceptions from some level headed folks, I wonder what kind of age most of the posters are -- I'm thinking most are teens - 20somethings....what I call the "ME Generation". Its all about "ME" -- how it affects ME, how much it costs ME....

So let me get this straight Metallica has a successful career -- they get pissed back whenever...about folks downloading music and not paying for it -- and they are ass holes because of this? hmmmmm.....interesting logic.

Then the comments saying "all metallica had to do was embrace the internet..yadda yadda".....ok so scenario -- I'm a solo-artist...have a great career..but I refuse (for my own reasons) to NEVER sell any of my albums online or though a digital medium. So I'd be labelled an "ass" for this? I'd be a "jerk"?

Again interesting.... Let's see its Metallica's work -- they can chose whatever method of selling it they wish. It's on them if they don't embrace new technology or the "times" as they'd say....but I certainly wouldn't call them hateful names or anything for that. I might think "man those guys are stupid -- they could sell so much easier online".

Replace "Metallica" with ANY artist's name and I'd still feel the same -- it is the RIGHT and DECISION of the artist, not the public.

And you guys can try and fool people with your trying to make excuses we all know the real reason most people "hate" on folks who don't publish/embrace their works being shared online --- it means people can't steal the works...heaven forbid they have to actually get a job, earn money and pay for things they want. EEEGATS BATMAN!!! ;)

And finally the comment about Metallica going to hell....hmm...I don't know what God you believe in, but the one I do has more folks to worry about like murderers, rapists, theives -- oh wait...that's what you guys are aren't you? Stealing the music for free....hmmm...interesting. ;)

What ever happened to right and wrong, being fair, working hard?





By Hare on 7/31/2006 12:01:07 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention that when Metallica "chose not to embrace the Internet..." there were no real online musicstores like todays iTunes. I have to agree with you that nowadays (thanks to easy p2p networks) people have started to think that 1$ per song is expensive and the artist should give their music for free or they are deemed greedy assholes.

I doubt most of the "greedy bastards" posters are over 20y...


By RMTimeKill on 7/31/2006 12:03:00 PM , Rating: 2
Off topic, but your name reminded me, <3 Rush's drummer, him and Joey from SlipKnot are probaly my two favorite drummers atm


By Eris23007 on 8/1/2006 3:15:38 PM , Rating: 2
Neil Peart. Also wrote most of Rush's lyrics.


.... and an objectivist, of sorts (if you listen to his lyrics, anyway, which are really quite good, particularly on Moving Pictures)

/Still on my Rand kick. :-D


They can keep their music...
By knightoftears on 7/29/2006 5:10:19 PM , Rating: 1
All the whining and complaining they did, and now it's suddenly OK? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight! No respect for them at all.




RE: They can keep their music...
By Hare on 7/29/2006 6:30:49 PM , Rating: 3
Like masher2 said earlier. They objected people pirating their songs. I believe they are entitled to hold on the their rights for songs and albums they have created as their living? Now they are selling them to genuine buyers.

Can't you separate piratism and selling music online?


RE: They can keep their music...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2006 7:18:01 PM , Rating: 1
> "Can't you separate piratism and selling music online? "

Quite obviously, many people here cannot.


By rushfan2006 on 7/31/2006 11:32:40 AM , Rating: 2
Like my other post says....realize most of the folks ranting about their hate -- probably teenagers - young 20 somethings.....therefore I'm not all that surprised...



Bill 'em All
By Cunthor01 on 7/29/2006 2:11:24 AM , Rating: 2
"Turns out, we can make money out of this 'interweb' business... Ah well!"




RE: Bill 'em All
By Howard on 7/29/2006 3:41:42 AM , Rating: 2
Are the tubes cleared to go?


RE: Bill 'em All
By abhaxus on 7/29/2006 4:31:22 AM , Rating: 2
i had to send a few horses through before i could make my purchases but everything was cool.


Who cares..
By Ch377 on 7/29/2006 4:11:56 PM , Rating: 2
I'm a huuuge, HUGE fan of their early works, right until Black album. The reason I don't care for them anymore has notting to do with their lawsuit(s), the music just stinks.
They're a greedy bunch of SOB's, Lars especially. I've met him in person as I'm a friend of one of his relatives. This was back in the days when they were kicking ass and before any lawsuit.
Oh, anyone saying they're pure crap doesnt know shit, in fact they are very skilled, but thats what you'd expect from the freakin MTV-generation. Tards..




RE: Who cares..
By masher2 (blog) on 7/29/2006 4:38:20 PM , Rating: 2
> "The reason I don't care for them anymore has notting to do with their lawsuit(s)...They're a greedy bunch of SOB's"

Your remarks are somewhat contradictory.


RE: Who cares..
By Ch377 on 7/29/2006 4:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
No, I dont care for them anymore because those new albums suck. (new paragraph)
They're a bunch..

Get it now?


RE: Who cares..
By Soviet Robot on 7/29/06, Rating: 0
asdf
By ZombieRitual on 7/28/2006 9:55:42 PM , Rating: 2
"the band put up its entire backlog of 10 songs on iTunes."

I believe it's 10 ALBUMS, not songs.




RE: asdf
By mjh on 7/28/2006 10:02:54 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks - fixed.


LOL
By BioRebel on 7/28/2006 9:48:17 PM , Rating: 2
I remember when they said it was napsters fault that they lost money on their newest album. Yet in a fucking press release a few weeks earlier they admitted the thing sucked.




MOOP
By SirPsyko on 7/29/2006 12:55:48 PM , Rating: 2
This reminds me of the South Park episode when MOOP went on strike... they say that Lars had to wait a couple months to put in a new pool...

I wonder if there's a tie-in with Kirk Hammett putting his house on the market? ;)




This reminds me of...
By Sunbird on 7/30/2006 10:27:51 AM , Rating: 2
Internet Sandman - Weird Al Yankovic (done to Metallicas Enter Sandman tune)


Make a list
Little Lars
Never seen a scar
Put his fans behind bars
Can't you see
MP3
Man you're stealin from me
You shoulda bought a CD

I keep my keyword open
I'm stealing your songs right now

We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land

Go to court
Close the site
Napster's down tonight
Now the judge says "alright"
Bunch of thieves
Bunch of liars
Steal our songs through the wire
You know we'll put up a fight

I keep my phone line open
I'm ripping your songs right now

We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land

Now I lay Lars down to sleep
I pray his copyrights to keep
If he gets poor before he wakes
He'll have to sell fries and shakes.

Hush little Larie, don't say a word
And never mind that noise you heard
It's just the fans making bootleg tapes
I hope you choke on your sour grapes

We're in debt
From the internet
Screw the fans
We're in debt
From the internet
Sue our fans
Off to Napster Napster Land




I like Britney Spears ...
By SaintSinner1 on 7/31/2006 3:31:05 PM , Rating: 2
shez cool ... shez as brilian as Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Lez Zeppelin ... Britney Britney !!!




Why no love for Dre?
By BenSkywalker on 7/29/06, Rating: -1
Does anyone....
By uksupramk3 on 7/28/06, Rating: -1
RE: Does anyone....
By ktlewis02 on 7/28/2006 9:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
Haha no talent? I'd love to see you play some (or any) of their classics

Their newest shit on the other hand is... well shit.


RE: Does anyone....
By beemercer on 7/28/2006 9:31:49 PM , Rating: 3
I agree, listen to the "...And Justice For All" album, fucking technical masterpeice.


RE: Does anyone....
By uksupramk3 on 7/28/06, Rating: -1
RE: Does anyone....
By bob661 on 7/29/2006 1:12:00 AM , Rating: 2
Their music is fantastic but their attitudes are shit. I wonder why they decided to put their music on itunes? Going broke?


RE: Does anyone....
By crazydrummer4562 on 7/29/2006 7:27:17 PM , Rating: 2
lars' drumming has always been mediocre. i can play all of their stuff


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