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Honeywell's new Lyric thermostat takes direct aim at Nest

When it comes to programmable thermostats, the Nest Learning Thermostat usually gets top billing. The Nest Learning Thermostat’s round design, intuitive interface, and energy saving features were enough to win over quite a few customers (and the ire of Honeywell which responded with lawsuits citing patent infringement).
 
But instead of lawsuits, this time around Honeywell is responding with its own stylish thermostat that takes direct aim at Nest. Honeywell’s new Lyric thermostat incorporates many of the features that made the Nest so popular (including a rotating bezel to scroll through settings and the ability to learn your heating/cooling habits), but also includes geofencing to further enhance the Home/Away settings found on the Nest.

 
With geofencing, the Lyric can automatically put your thermostat into an energy saver mode when you leave the house. But more importantly, it can sense when you are returning home based on the location of your smartphone and automatically turn on the heat or A/C to your preferred temperature setting. This is a step up from the Nest thermostat which will only adjust the temperature if 1) it’s on a preset schedule, 2) you manually change it with your smartphone app, or 3) you walk past the thermostat to “wake” the system.

 
Besides the geofencing, much of the other functionality is quite similar to the Nest including the ability to alert you when you need to change your filters, and adjust temperature settings in your home based on both indoor and outdoor humidity, temperature, and weather.

 
"Most people don't have a predictable pattern to how they live their lives; why not have a thermostat that adjusts based on your real-time schedule?" says Beth Wozniak, president of Honeywell Environmental and Combustion Controls. "With the Lyric thermostat's geofencing capability, my house returns to my preferred comfort setting when I'm within a few miles from home. Quite simply, the Lyric thermostat offers me the ability to keep my life in tune – delivering comfort when I'm home and savings when I'm gone."

 
Honeywell’s new Lyric thermostat is currently available for HVAC contractors, and will be available to retail customers in August for $279.

Source: Honyewell





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not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By sprockkets on 6/10/2014 10:32:10 AM , Rating: 2
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This is a step up from the Nest thermostat which will only adjust the temperature if 1) it’s on a preset schedule, 2) you manually change it with your smartphone app, or 3) you walk past the thermostat to “wake” the system. - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Honeywell+Responds+to+Nes...


What do you mean by preset schedule? The Nest learns your patterns of leaving and arriving and sets it as such.

Not that I recommend the Nest.

This one is designed by people who know what they are doing so it probably won't suffer the BS problems the nest does, but I'm still skeptical.




RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Flunk on 6/10/14, Rating: 0
RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Nortel on 6/10/2014 10:59:18 AM , Rating: 2
I can straight up guarantee they out sourced the software to another firm. Even the design was likely created "in collaboration" with design house.

End of the day.. it's a thermostat.. I just can't get excited about this gimmicky stuff.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Jeffk464 on 6/10/2014 1:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
With nest being purchased by google google is going full bore into home automation. Pretty soon the thermostat will just be part of you whole home automation system and I find that pretty exciting.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Argon18 on 6/10/2014 2:58:31 PM , Rating: 2
I don't. Google is an advertising company first and foremost. So instead of just tracking your every email and web search, they'll now also track your habits around your home. They'll store all this in a database and compile profiles. They'll sell those profiles to marketers, and when you turn the heat up a few degrees in the winter time, your SmartFridge will bombard you Snuggie informercials.

Funny how people get all riled up at the NSA tracking peoples communications and patterns, but shrug their shoulders when Google/Facebook/etc does the same and more.


By amanojaku on 6/10/2014 3:21:08 PM , Rating: 3
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Funny how people get all riled up at the NSA tracking peoples communications and patterns, but shrug their shoulders when Google/Facebook/etc does the same and more.
Google isn't trying to throw you in prison. It doesn't even have that power.

The NSA, CIA, etc... Have abused their powers under both parties. They don't need any more.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/10/2014 3:41:22 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah funny how people get more upset at the NSA (illegally) assuming we're all terrorists than a company selling advertising.

What a crazy world we live in! God people are stupid...

/s


By superflex on 6/11/2014 3:11:03 PM , Rating: 2
Wait until someone hacks your home automation system.
You'll be less than excited.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By eek2121 on 6/10/2014 11:29:21 PM , Rating: 1
I wouldn't touch that honeywell thermostat with a 10 foot pole. i've dealt with enough vendors (ahem, Bosch?) to know that big companies can't do anything right. Don't be surprised if you find it has a default hard wired password of 12345678 that can't be changed.


By Reclaimer77 on 6/11/2014 9:46:37 AM , Rating: 2
12345678? Amazing! I have the same combination on my luggage!


By kattanna on 6/10/2014 10:50:14 AM , Rating: 2
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so it probably won't suffer the BS problems the nest does


i would be interested in hearing what issues you have had

me.. I had issues with the AC compressor turning off.. or the fan and compressor turning off, while the thermostat was still calling for cooling, ie it was blue.

the issue was the old four wire control cable, which worked fine when it was installed in 1969 and was connected to an old toggle thermostat.

the nest though needs additional power and I had to run another power cable to the common C input. I did that using a 24VAC convertor, $20 on amazon, connected the wires to the C & Rh terminals, and its good to go now.

though.. I could fault nest for not alerting me to the issue ahead of time, that it was having power issues.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/10/2014 10:56:45 AM , Rating: 5
Having a Nest, you can set it to adjust the temperature based on your parameters. ALSO, after about a week or two or monitoring your behavior, the Nest will fine-tune those temperature parameters based on your comings and goings.

However, the Nest is still adjusting temperature based on a preset schedule -- either one set by you, or one set by the Nest.

With the Lyric, it takes things a step further by actually changing the temperature based on your location.

Let's take this example

Nest: My Nest has learned my routine and knows that I will be home by 5PM, so it turns the A/C on automatically at around 4:45 to make sure that it's at my set temperature at 5PM and maintains it.

If I decided to come home at 6:00 instead, the Nest would still come on at 4:45 and maintain my temperature... wasting over an hour of runtime.

Lyric: It has a 7-mile geofence radius. So if I start making my way back home and cross the 7-mile barrier, the system will kick on to pre-cool instead of turning on based on a predetermined time schedule.


By Monkey's Uncle on 6/10/2014 11:50:26 AM , Rating: 2
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Lyric: It has a 7-mile geofence radius. So if I start making my way back home and cross the 7-mile barrier, the system will kick on to pre-cool instead of turning on based on a predetermined time schedule.


Not all that helpful if you live within 5 miles of your home or you forget/leave your phone at home.

I hope this feature can be disabled.


By Brandon Hill (blog) on 6/10/2014 12:06:23 PM , Rating: 5
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Not all that helpful if you live within 5 miles of your home or you forget/leave your phone at home.

I surely hope that you live within 5 miles of your home ;)


By kattanna on 6/10/2014 2:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
I LOL'd

thanks


By Monkey's Uncle on 6/10/2014 4:32:03 PM , Rating: 2
LOL ya.

But I think you get the meaning here if you work just a few miles away from your home, this location feature would be pretty useless. :D


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Reclaimer77 on 6/10/14, Rating: 0
By bah12 on 6/10/2014 5:10:48 PM , Rating: 2
Yep a Glass sensor will detect a flush in skin cells, and determine I'd like it cooler than usual... I for one welcome our thermostat overlords.


By Monkey's Uncle on 6/11/2014 9:49:47 AM , Rating: 2
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Brother, it's gonna know if you're even thinking about cooling or heating! :P It'll know if you're even thinking about going home lol.


Just waiting for the NSA to backdoor Lyric...

http://images.lazygamer.net/2013/07/wpid-tin-foil-...


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Jeffk464 on 6/10/2014 1:13:54 PM , Rating: 2
Apple complains about knock off designs, holly poop you can't get more of a knock of than this.


RE: not that I like the nest but this is wrong
By Argon18 on 6/10/14, Rating: -1
By bigboxes on 6/10/2014 9:20:10 PM , Rating: 3
Big Box? Hmmmm...


By atechfan on 6/10/2014 7:46:12 PM , Rating: 2
Thermostats were available in models that were round with a dial on the outside long before Nest was conceived. Smart thermostats were also around long before Nest. Nest doesn't have a leg to stand on if they try to claim Honeywell is copying them.


By BillyBatson on 6/10/2014 2:47:40 PM , Rating: 2
"the problems that nest does"
what problems might those be!? I have owned the original Nest for 4 years now and my family and I have not once had a problem with it. Really easy setup, it learned our habits over time, and has never once done anything weird or failed to perform. It does exactly what it advertised. So what is the problem? I would definitely recommend Nest to anyone wanting a useful thermostat or a smart thermostat.
Maybe a thermostat isn't the sexiest sort of tech to be featured online and not something our younger readers would be into. However If you are a home owner, own property in colder or hotter climates, would like to save money on heating/air, or simply want a stylish term that you don't need to really set up, Nest is a great bet and quite exciting!


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