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Apple has another blowout quarter, but misses with iPad sales

Apple’s earnings have been announced for fiscal Q2 2014, and everything appears to be “business as usual” for the Cupertino, California-based company. The company pulled in revenue of $45.6 billion for the quarter, $10.2 billion in profit, and earnings per share of $11.62. Gross margin for the quarter was an impressive 39.3%.
 
Analysts were expecting earnings per share (EPS) of $10.19, and a gross margin of 37.7%, while revenue was pegged at 43.53 billion.
 
When it comes to hardware, Apple sold 43.7 million iPhones and “just” 16.35 million iPads. Mac sales came in a 4.1 million.


Apple CEO Tim Cook holding an iPad mini [Image Source: Society and Religion]
 
Analysts expected Apple to sell 37.7 million iPhones, 19.7 million iPads, and 4.03 million Macs. In that respect, Apple blew away the analysts on the iPhone numbers, came in just above on the Mac numbers, but deeply disappointed on sagging iPad sales.
 
“We’re very proud of our quarterly results, especially our strong iPhone sales and record revenue from services,” said Apple CEO Tim Cook. “We’re eagerly looking forward to introducing more new products and services that only Apple could bring to market.”

Apple also announced a 7-for-1 stock split as a part of a $90 billion stock buyback program.

AAPL is currently up around $40 in after hours trading to $564.

Sources: Apple [1], [2], Business Insider



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Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 5:11:43 PM , Rating: 5
Say what you want about them (and I do) they have the business end of it down. Assuming they finally get with the times and release that larger screen higher res iPhone it will be even larger profits for them.




RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/23/2014 5:49:29 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Say what you want about them (and I do) they have the business end of it down. Assuming they finally get with the times and release that larger screen higher res iPhone it will be even larger profits for them.
True that. I just wonder if Apple made a big error in burning away basically 2 years worth of cash from its pile.

It had $160B USD going in to Q1 2014 (calendar, not fiscal quarter)... now it will have $70B USD (if my math is right).

In just a year it will (in theory) be back to holding over $100B USD, but still that's a lot of cash for a company with slowing growth to be throwing out.

It'll be a popular move with shareholders, to be sure (note the stock jump), but it's not necessarily the smartest move in terms of long term growth, particularly when Facebook and Google are moving so aggressively to corner the market in new niches like drone servers, smart robotics, mobile messaging, and wearables.

It might seem smarter to give shareholders $90B versus say, spending $19B on a company with 500 million users (now), but only $20M USD in revenue last year.

But at the end of the day the former approach only leaves you with happier shareholders, where as the latter approach gives you 500 million extra customers to a core service.

It's easy to get caught up with pleasing shareholders too much and not investing in new talent (acquisitions). Microsoft is certainly guilty of that too. But if I were in it for the long haul, I think Google/Facebook are being much savvier in how they spend their money.

I agree absolutely that $10B USD in d@mn impressive, but to wipe out just over half of your cash pile to TRY to please shareholders seems short-sighted.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 6:01:28 PM , Rating: 5
I dunno... I would think Apple should be spending alot more on R&D as it seems they fall farther and farther behind the tech curve every year. They sprung way ahead of the curve in 2007 and have been in coast mode ever since. Adding minor things that others developed to their own products since then...

Like you said in your other post "The problem as I see it is still that the UI still is looking a little dated. iOS 7 didn't really fix this, it just basically offered a reskin that many users weren't fans of. It is clean, but is somewhat lacking features-wise vs. Android v4.4 and Windows Phone 8.1. Also Apple's prices for unsubsidized smartphones are wayyyy too high for many markets outside the U.S."

I agree with that only I would word it alot sharper... The UI is a LOT dated and the platform is severely lacking in features compared to the competition. Profits remain high, but that is still a result of past R&D and Apple's total domination from 2007 to 2011. They are enjoying what Windows had in the 90's and early 2000's. Mass profit on little effort... But it doesn't last forever. They will need to come out with something better at some point to simply match the innovation pace of their competitors.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/23/2014 6:19:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I dunno... I would think Apple should be spending alot more on R&D as it seems they fall farther and farther behind the tech curve every year. They sprung way ahead of the curve in 2007 and have been in coast mode ever since. Adding minor things that others developed to their own products since then...

Like you said in your other post "The problem as I see it is still that the UI still is looking a little dated. iOS 7 didn't really fix this, it just basically offered a reskin that many users weren't fans of. It is clean, but is somewhat lacking features-wise vs. Android v4.4 and Windows Phone 8.1. Also Apple's prices for unsubsidized smartphones are wayyyy too high for many markets outside the U.S."

I agree with that only I would word it alot sharper... The UI is a LOT dated and the platform is severely lacking in features compared to the competition. Profits remain high, but that is still a result of past R&D and Apple's total domination from 2007 to 2011. They are enjoying what Windows had in the 90's and early 2000's. Mass profit on little effort... But it doesn't last forever. They will need to come out with something better at some point to simply match the innovation pace of their competitors.
Good points, I mostly agree.

I do feel though that sometimes the problem is a certain internal inertia that is broken least painfully by outside acquisitions.

Look at Google. If it had just spent on internal R&D it might have eventually wandered into the phone market, but would it have achieved the dominance it has currently?

Probably not.

You can't discount what an important role Google's acquisition of Android Inc. -- an attractive software startup -- played.

I think the trap you fall in -- when it comes to the consumer market -- is the "Microsoft syndrome" so to speak. The issue with consumers is that they're always looking for the next big thing.

If you fail to constantly reinvent yourself with outside talent and acquisitions, you stay in a handful of comfortable markets, which you have strong performance in and then take baby steps, slowly advancing your product. That works for a long time as you have/had a great product. But eventually truly fresh solutions will start to capitalize on your weaknesses and gain traction (e.g. Chrome OS, mobile, etc. against Windows). At that point the tendency is to panic and do some sort of radical internal shakeup (e.g. Ballmer, Sinofsky, etc. out) and a wildly different product (e.g. Windows 8).

The results may work out eventually (we'll see with Windows 8), but it's arguably a much more painful way of remaining competitive, versus simply mining the endless well of startups with great ideas.

Note that a lot of what got Apple the iPhone in the first place was a more aggressive acquisition campaign on the UI/firmware front (e.g. Fingerworks, etc.). I think Apple has made some decent moves in terms of acquisitions aimed at hardware optimization (e.g. flash memory and camera performance), but has been rather weak in terms of software acquisition moves.

That echoes Microsoft and makes us wonder how long until Tim Cook & co. panic about slowing growth and release "Windows 8 Apple edition", so to speak, alienating a lot of their users in the process.

Although, to be fair, it's not quite as simple as Google makes it look. RIM/BB for example had a very promising OS with QNX, which they squandered due to a snail slow rollout. Success is driven not only on the talent you obtain, it seems, but how quickly you can integrate and leverage it.


By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 6:35:08 PM , Rating: 2
Absolutely. Spending on internal R&D or acquiring other companies IP are equal to me, as long as it gets innovative solutions into play it's well spent. RIMM is a perfect example of a great acquisition with poor integration into the company/products. RIMM started with an already good OS in QNX and it took them 3 full years to release a phone running it. And that was 2010 to 2013, when RIMM's engineering should have been operating in crisis mode (as in we need to release product FAST). It took so long that when it finally came out it was 1 year behind everyone else and people just shrugged it off. I dont think any currenet player would have that issue now. The remaining players are well equipped to move fast when needed.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 7:46:32 PM , Rating: 2
LOL... I am so sorry dude. I feel bad for you, but somehow that is hilarious.

Ya, I have an iPad 4 I use at work. I dont have to use it, but it's just a spare iPad for testing/troubleshooting other peoples issues that I keep. Great hardware but the OS is an aged joke. It's like Clint Eastwood on stage trying to be funny at 80+ years old. It just doesn't fit in 2014. I feel like I am using Windows 95.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/23/14, Rating: 0
RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Lord 666 on 4/23/2014 8:06:03 PM , Rating: 1
Did you get pink?

The 5c... you are correct in that it is a dated product. My 5s, I have to admit, is better than my Droid Maxx in all areas except for battery life and screen size. Have just been using the Droid Maxx as a tethering device for the 5s lately.

One handed ambi use is extremely helpful especially when walking the dog and checking email/texting. Have both hands configured for TouchID to make it easier.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/23/14, Rating: 0
RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Solandri on 4/24/2014 3:40:59 AM , Rating: 2
LOL - I saw that case on my uncle's phone a couple weeks ago. It speaks volumes that most owners consider that to be an important enough "feature" that it must not be covered up.


By Cheesew1z69 on 4/24/2014 8:48:58 AM , Rating: 2
I believe most cases have to show it off.

And I ended up buying a used 4 for the GF, I feel....dirty :o


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By atechfan on 4/24/2014 5:20:35 AM , Rating: 1

quote:
Because, you know, apparently you cant just use an iPhone without showing the world you're a fag.


You must be pretty insecure in your sexuality if that little apple threatens it.


By elleehswon on 4/24/2014 10:07:56 AM , Rating: 2
well, I wouldn't spray the LG logo in huge letters on the back of my G2 either. Am i being paid to advertise their product? NO. LOGO=COVERED UP.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By darklight0tr on 4/24/2014 10:16:53 AM , Rating: 2
The point is that everyone needs to know that you're using an Apple device. Image is everything.

I'm gay and am an Android fan - I can't stand Apple. Thanks for the blanket statement that we are all Apple snobs.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By elleehswon on 4/24/2014 10:35:41 AM , Rating: 2
FWIW, the only openly gay dude i know uses an old blackberry.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 10:46:58 AM , Rating: 1
I don't think he meant "fag" as in a gay person. It was more of a general insult (Douchebag, loser, poser, wannabe, fag, etc.). As in, insulting the type of person that would specifically buy an iPhone and a case with a hole in it that serves no purpose other than to show the logo of the phone because they would think it mattered or was a sign if prestige in some narrow minded way.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 11:14:06 AM , Rating: 1
It's ridiculous we're even having to explain this. In the same way saying something "sucks" doesn't imply oral sex, saying "f*g" doesn't always mean homosexuality. It's like saying something is "gay", it has nothing to do with orientation.

Since when were idioms literal? I guess calling someone a douchebag means they're literally a plastic bottle with a nozzle...


By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 11:18:40 AM , Rating: 2
I have no idea. Seriously, most debates going on here any more aren't about "this vs that" and the merits of each... They are about someone completely not understanding what others are talking about and then carrying on a debate about a misunderstood point and/or their own soapbox rant... Everyone has become an amalgam of TesterTakinMitch. WTF?


By darklight0tr on 4/24/2014 12:12:34 PM , Rating: 1
I got it - we just had a typical Internet misunderstanding. No need for torches and pitchforks

No one claims words - I don't take offense to the word fag and I'm not one of those flag bearing, marching in your face guys. They can do what they want but I think they make the community at large look worse, not better.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By BSMonitor on 4/24/14, Rating: -1
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 12:59:43 PM , Rating: 2
Dude, not only are you a 1/2 a man,. but a moronic one at that.

First off, I am here on THIS very site always defending gay rights. I am all for gay marriage and can show you links to prove it. Go for it, enjoy yourself. I stand by everything I said in these threads. http://www.dailytech.com/Mozilla+CEO+Resigns+Follo...

I have even lived as a roommate with a gay man for a few years, no problemn with it at all. As a matter of fact, he is coming down to AZ where I live in 3 weeks to attend my sons graduation from ASU. So much for the homophobia. NEXT!


By Dr of crap on 4/24/2014 12:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
REALLY, you have to defend his statement?
He stated it, leave it alone!


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 11:16:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm gay and am an Android fan - I can't stand Apple. Thanks for the blanket statement that we are all Apple snobs.


You must be joking? I absolutely made no such blanket statement or even implied it.

Go team 'Droid!!


By darklight0tr on 4/24/2014 12:16:17 PM , Rating: 2
I understand now and apologize. I totally get what you mean now.

I use an iPhone 4 for work and have really trouble with it some days. The keyboard keys are so small I'm constantly making typos on it.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Mitch101 on 4/24/2014 11:10:30 AM , Rating: 2
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 11:21:25 AM , Rating: 2
OMG... "It places the lotion in the basket" for sure.


By darklight0tr on 4/24/2014 12:17:01 PM , Rating: 2
I wish I could unsee that.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 4:42:41 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
My 5s, I have to admit, is better than my Droid Maxx in all areas


Yeah that's really fair, compare some old ass mid-grade phone with a Snapdragon S4 to the brand new iPhone flagship...

And better in all areas? No, that's trolling. The display, while dated, still blows away the newest iPhone's. The OS is light years ahead. And it's packed with more features.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/23/2014 8:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
Opinions man. I know you despise WP but I think it is excellent. Android is laggy with lots of rough edges and substandard apps, but I'd be fine with a Nexus 5 if I had no choice. This is why there are choices, it's about which platform has the fewest negatives for you. Very few are absolutely terrible. Blackberry and Samsung have their fans but I'd put them there.

For me it goes WP8 > iOS > Vanilla 4.4 > Sense UI >>>>>>>>>>> TouchWiz

Not everyone agrees, but again, choices.

Why can't you use it right handed? Volume buttons are on the left side with Samsung and icons can be moved anywhere.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/23/2014 8:23:33 PM , Rating: 1
Wait wtf? I do NOT "despise" Windows Phone.

quote:
Why can't you use it right handed?


You can, it's just poorly designed for it.

The big problem is the lack of a dedicated back button. It's indefensible, yet Apple fans pretend it's all good.

So where does Apple put their in-app "back" icon on nearly every one of their apps? You know, the ones everyone says are superior?

At the top LEFT of the screen. Meaning that every time I use that "back" icon, my right thumb has to cross over, blocking the screen, to use it. And on a screen that tiny, this is no small gripe.

This is just one example of the poor "one hand" usage of the iPhone.

The other is button location. Nearly every Android phone I've used had the power button and volume buttons on the right side of the phone. Making it extremely intuitive for your right thumb to access these keys.

Where the FUK does Apple put them? The goddamn power button is on the top for some asinine reason. And the volume buttons are all the way on the other side. Making it awkward as hell!

And that ringer toggle switch...uhhh why? I use that maybe once a day. I use the power button like 200! The location of these two should be swapped logically and for better ergonomics.

Argh, and I've barely touched on UI design! Which is horrible, just HORRIBLE.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/23/2014 8:53:31 PM , Rating: 2
I've seen you slag and mock WP many many times here.

Back buttons don't bother me, plus you can universally swipe to go back. A dedicated back button seems a waste of space when gestures take care of that action.

The volume button on the GS3, GS4, and many other phones is on the left side. How is this iPhone specific?

No mobile OS is perfect, but I could write a Bible on what Android does worse than WP or iOS. Doesn't make it completely terrible, at least when Samsung doesn't get their mitts on it.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/23/2014 9:10:30 PM , Rating: 2
Oh another thing, speaking of gestures...

Why is it that you have to swipe from the top for notifications, which is cool. Yet you have to swipe from the bottom for the "power menu" thing?

That's STUPID! That doubles the chance of accidentally pulling up the power menu when scrolling. Which happens to me ALL the time, because the screen is so goddamn small.

Stupid nonsensical design.

And I wouldn't mind these retarded defaults so much, if you could change them. But of course Apple doesn't think you should be able to do that.

quote:
but I could write a Bible on what Android does worse than WP or iOS.


Judging by your comments on Android, you would be writing the Old Testament. Cause you're talking about the Android from years ago...


By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 10:05:19 PM , Rating: 2
"Judging by your comments on Android, you would be writing the Old Testament. Cause you're talking about the Android from years ago..."

Lol...nice. "Its funny because its true".


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/23/2014 11:34:40 PM , Rating: 2
Nope, talking Jelly Bean


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 12:25:37 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is you, or whoever you get your info from, doesnt know the difference between carrier/oem bloat and the actual OS. Its you like you're blaming Microsoft Windows for Hewlett Packard adding a bunch of crap on their PCs. But whatever, I am past tired of overexplaining to you. Apparently in you're short exposure to Android, you weren't bright enough to figure out how to use it properly so it's probably not the right platform for you. It does require more knowledge to optimize than IOS.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/24/2014 3:26:56 AM , Rating: 3
And you completely missed where I made a big distinction between Vanilla 4.4, Sense, and TouchWiz. I'm very familiar.

I get it and the problems still stand. Also, any OS that REQUIRES heavy tinkering is a broken tool by definition. I'm not saying the Nexus 5 is that device, I think it is very good, but you using that as a defense is something I don't relate to. These are my tools, the OS should be solid and the software should be great. Tinkering to make it work not as well as something that doesn't need tinkering isn't something I care for.


By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 7:57:22 AM , Rating: 1
"And you completely missed where I made a big distinction between Vanilla 4.4, Sense, and TouchWiz"

I saw that comment and I agree, but the only thing I ever see you actually mention as far as a genuine issue, is the lag, so that is all I commented on.

"any OS that REQUIRES heavy tinkering is a broken tool by definition. "

Again, the OS does not. The OEM/carrier bloat on some models needs removed. I wouldn't call it heavy user tinkering, I would actually call that heavy tampering by thje carrier/OEM's but whatever, agreed it does suck. Suck or not, its more akin to how HP and Dell bloat out Windows with useless crap. They work fine once you spend 2-3 minutes and remove it.

The vanilla Nexus 5 doesn't need that and is at least a good example of Android and how it operates in a vanilla fashion. I am not a fan of the Google launcher on it at all, but that is just an app.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Wazza1234 on 4/24/2014 4:02:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
So where does Apple put their in-app "back" icon on nearly every one of their apps? You know, the ones everyone says are superior?

At the top LEFT of the screen. Meaning that every time I use that "back" icon, my right thumb has to cross over, blocking the screen, to use it. And on a screen that tiny, this is no small gripe.


You're a weird one then. Most right handed people hold their phone with their left hand.


By KoolAidMan1 on 4/24/2014 5:10:36 AM , Rating: 2
And he keeps bringing up menus by scrolling. I never do that. Butterfingers here.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 11:23:56 AM , Rating: 2
Oh really? How did you come to know how "most" people use a phone?

I'm right handed, OFC I use my right hand on the phone designed for "one handed" use.

I'll hold a phone in my left hand if it's large for two handed use. But an iPhone? I absolutely use my right.

Oh here another one for the list, since I'm on a roll, the Email App that comes on the phone, the one Apple made, doesn't support push notifications! And by default, it wont even check for new emails!!! How goddamn retarded is that?

Oh and if you are viewing photos with the default viewer, click the share icon, pick "messages" to text someone the picture? Yeah, it lets you think you can do that, but you can't. You can try it 100 times, NONE will go through. You can only text someone a picture through the messaging app. So why does it pretend like the functionality exists?

But all I hear is that the apps are so awesome. Bullcrap. And these are apps that Apple wrote! Of course I don't know why I'm surprised, because Apple has always sucked balls when it comes to writing software.

And I haven't even gotten into what an utter disaster Safari is...just..LMAO!


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/24/2014 4:46:31 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, all obviously wrong. Push email is there, I use it for three accounts. Using the photo app to share photos or batches of photos via messaging also works.

You sure you know how to work computers? Obvious and basic things seem really difficult for you. It isn't that hard, especially for a phone that as you say is "for women and f*gs".


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 5:49:44 PM , Rating: 2
Push works with EAS, what doesn't work is Exchange 2010's (or higher) built in security features, so no remote mail disable, or remote wipe. Also, IOS 7 STILL has issues with Exchange password resets. Constantly telling people they have to remove the exchange account and re-add it in. Why they ask? Because Apple still hasnt fixed this bug in the 6 years since they supported EAS. Neither of those things are issues on the better platform though :P


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/24/2014 6:58:22 PM , Rating: 2
...and that's never been a problem here or with any of the other push/fetch services I've used. Dunno what to say.

Every other issue he's said is basically wrong. He can't even get photo messaging right. Lots to get wrong for so-called "technical" people.

Why are you defending him anyway? I see you defending his hate speech now. Let the technically incompetent bigot stand up for himself. Your common unabiding love for Google shouldn't put you on the same page with every other ugly/ignorant thing he says.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 9:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
what are you even talking about? I'm not defending hate speech I'm not defending him, he doesnt need defending, hes a grown man. I said what I said, and what I said was that ios has always had problems with the email client. If you are not sure about it google it, it's all over the place. Having to remove the account when the password changes is extremely common for iOS.

Not a huge issue but just like issues on Android it exists and its minor. just don't act like there arent issues because there are. IOS is far from perfect. It's dated its ui is old and it has bugs just like any OS. and for gods sake it still doesn't have multi user support Wtf? but really I don't want to get into that again. Its a stupid conversation to keep having. I think we both are well aware of each platforms strengths and weaknesses. you are a lot brighter than BS monitor, and more mentally balanced as well.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/24/2014 9:23:21 PM , Rating: 2
There was defense of language elsewhere. I don't agree with it, but I should know better than to leave political (or technical) discussions alone here.

I Googled for EAS bugs, top hits were from 2012 and 2013 with iOS 6.1. I haven't had such issues, nor did I see them when they were issues as I was on Android and then WP at the time. He's claiming usability issues that many people don't agree with and claiming basic technical issues that seem specific to him or that he can't find the settings for.

I don't claim any mobile OS is perfect, just that his technical issues are ones that I haven't had. I have problems with 7.1, specifically with changes in the music app, but I don't slam the entire OS because of that. All of them have their flaws, but whatever. Louis CK was right, "Everything is amazing and nobody is happy."


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 9:34:00 PM , Rating: 2
Lol. Louis CK is right about alot of things.

as for the language all I am saying is that I don't think that is what he meant. It wasn't it as an insult to homosexual people, it was an insult to iPhone users who would buy a case to show the logo as if the logo was important and a status symbol. That is who he was insulting. If he or anyone else is truly homophobic, then they are no friend of mine. I have no time for someone that narrow minded.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 2:12:40 AM , Rating: 2
To insult a group of people he used language used to denigrate and insult homosexuals as a comparison.

Inexcusable.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/25/2014 8:15:07 AM , Rating: 2
Had this been live on the nightly news I would agree, but this is more of a relaxed atmosphere where people dont need to be so uptight and literal...


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 5:05:22 PM , Rating: 2
A relaxed and casual atmosphere where we can throw around hate speech without worry.

Got it, thanks for clearing up.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/25/2014 5:25:43 PM , Rating: 2
Don't be such a ninny. This is the internet, not Sunday at grandma's.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 10:12:15 PM , Rating: 2
- Claims a GS3 is as smooth as an iOS or WP device

- Defends the use of ugly hate speech to demean others "because we don't really mean it"

I look forward to the next ridiculous thing you say. I'm rolling here.


By retrospooty on 4/25/2014 11:09:57 PM , Rating: 2
Putz...


By retrospooty on 4/26/2014 8:18:40 AM , Rating: 2
I love how you ignore post after post of details and somehow sum it up in to 2 completely incorrect sentences. It looks like what happened is your precious platform isn't so shiny when we put it into the light and you have nothing to say, so you are trying to derail the thread... Sorry, here is reality biting.

"- Claims a GS3 is as smooth as an iOS or WP device"

No, I said my LG G2, and my Nexus 7 and Gpad ( all basically stock as is) and even my old GS3 with zero Sambloat (running CM11) has faster smoother transitions and less laggy UI than this new iPad 4 with the latest IOS update 7.1.1 . The iPad also has significantly higher res than the GS3, so there is that. I also said the screen on the iPad was absolutely luscious. I actually love the email client and how it groups conversations. - nice. I said nothing at all about WP. Not one word.

"- Defends the use of ugly hate speech to demean others "because we don't really mean it""

Hate speach? Wow, that is a stretch even for the ninniest among us. Again, there is no "we" because I didn't say anything remotely derogatory about any group of people, reclaimer said it. I simply said I thought he was insulting certain Apple users not gays. Whatever, I don't care. I have a long record, even here at defending gay rights and just peoples rights in general. No-one could ever read these threads in the article linked below and call me a bigot or use the phrase "hate speach" to anything about me. The very notion is ridiculous. I not only defend gay rights, marriage and all that, I am pretty strong willed about it, even going at it with reclaimer in some of these posts. http://www.dailytech.com/Mozilla+CEO+Resigns+Follo...

Nice try though. When in doubt, change the subject I guess huh?


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 7:14:19 PM , Rating: 2
I'm looking at my mail account right now for work, in the IOS settings the only two options are "Fetch" and "Manual". Sooo yeah you're full of it, no Push.

If Push is enabled, this menu design is horrid crap. Android is WAY more intuitive. I can select "Push" for iCloud, so why not for mail? And if mail is set to "push" by default WHY DOESN'T THE UI REFLECT THAT?

quote:
You sure you know how to work computers?


Yes I'm just not used to the way Apple treats you like a retard and gives you Fisher Price menu's and UI's.

quote:
Using the photo app to share photos or batches of photos via messaging also works.


No, it absolutely does not on MY phone. This is too simple for user error to explain it away. You select the picture, select the contact, and press "SEND". Yeah, I think I can handle that.

The picture never gets there, it doesn't even try to send it, so STFU.

OH LOOK!!!

"I updated to iOS7 and am now unable to send photo messages (via text/sms) from the photo album. It opens and lets me choose a photo to send but after I chose to send via message and select a recipient, the phone freezes for a bit, then appears to send the message while actually doing nothing. I can appartently still select photos to send from within the message app and I can still email images from photo album, but the message feature in the photo album does not work at all. Has anyone else encountered this issue? Is there a fix?"

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23703961#237...

My EXACT problem!

But hey Apple "just works" right.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 7:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
Update:

I "fixed" this by rebooting my phone. Yes, REBOOTING. The thing every iTard slams Android for having to do "all the time". IOS needed a reboot to properly text message, brilliant.

I found this after, what, like a week of use? Can't wait to see what comes next!!

I knew all the crap about the superiority of the software, the design, was BS. But for you guys to just blatantly lie and pretend everything is perfect is pretty lame.

I've also seen UI lag and stutters in apps. And this is on a brand new phone with ZERO apps installed that didn't come with the phone. Wtf is up with that?


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 9:25:43 PM , Rating: 1
You know what, sitting here with this iPad 4 retina in hand running iOS 7.1.1 and I am seeing some ui lag too. It's totally vanilla there's nothing installed on it it has the latest OS update and it lags. Lol. the UI lags and scrolling on webpages lags.

I am now convinced, all of these clowns are completely full of crap when it comes to what they say about iOS. previously I set up a lot of iPhones and iPads for other people but now that I am using it myself for a while I can personally confirm Android is faster assuming you have taken care of carrier and OEM bloat on the models that have that . The UI is faster and scrolling is faster everything is faster on my android. Even my old G s3 runs faster. not in Benchmarking games and things like that but that you are fine and scrolling on web pages is definitely smoother on a galaxy s3 with CyanogenMod then this thing is.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 4:06:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The UI is faster and scrolling is faster everything is faster on my android. Even my old G s3 runs faster. not in Benchmarking games and things like that but that you are fine and scrolling on web pages is definitely smoother on a galaxy s3 with CyanogenMod then this thing is.


Meanwhile, in opposite world where a GS3 is smooth and homophobic language isn't REALLY homophobic...


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 4:09:27 AM , Rating: 2
But seriously, scrolling web pages and Facebook app on a GS4 here and it lags and chops so obviously compared to an iPhone 5 and iPad Air. My old Lumia drops fewer frames than the Samsung.


By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 4:11:48 AM , Rating: 2
*5S


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/25/2014 8:22:02 AM , Rating: 2
Like I said, with Samsung, they add alot of bloat. It DOES lag until you remove all that bloat. It's insane the amount of useless crap running on Samsung ROM's, and the S3 mentioned above is running CM11, not Samsung ROm at all.

My point is this almost brand new with zero app s loaded iPad 4 lags more than my old S3 (tweaked) my Nexus 7 or Gpad (both with Snap600) or of G2 of course.

It lags, transitions sometimes stutter and the keyboard is simply horrible. You talk about apps reswizzled for the tablet screen size, Apple hasnt even re-done the UI for it. Thuis screen is large , high res and beautiful. The keyboard doenst even have a 5th row for #'s nor does it have alt mappings for long press. The homescreen too... 2048x1536 of luciousness and its got... 4... icons... by... 5... icons... GIANT freeging icons.

This OS you trump up falls flat in real world use and simple useability. Sorry, its not "just better" its "just awful".


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/2014 9:39:56 AM , Rating: 2
Again, he's comparing a damn GS4 to his brand new iPhone 5S. Wtf?

Forgetting the massive hardware power disparity between the two, his GS4 has thousands of hours of use, third party app installations etc etc to the file system. His iPhone is practically virgin by comparison.

This is like comparing an Core2Duo machine with an old Windows installation to a brand new i7 box...


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/25/2014 11:22:29 AM , Rating: 2
I dunno, the S4 has the same CPU and lower res than the Nexus 7 2013 or the Gpad and its even clocked a bit higher. It's not about CPU, the S4 has plenty of horsepower to fly once the bloat is killed. Like I said above, even the S3 flies when debloated. Samsung uses good guts and fast flash memory... Touchwiz isnt even what slows it, it's just the bloat.

My biggest take from this is that IOS lags and stutters worse than Android once debloated. Totally FOS these guys are.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/25/2014 11:41:45 AM , Rating: 1
I just don't think it's fair to compare a HIGHLY used last generation phone to the next generation iPhone.

iPhone 5S vs. Galaxy S5 is only fair. What he's doing is horribly biased.


By retrospooty on 4/25/2014 12:13:42 PM , Rating: 2
"What he's doing is horribly biased."

I see your point, ignorant, biased, FOS take your pick. It's one of the 3.

I am really enjoying this big beautiful screen with 4 giant icons across the bottom. LOL. It's like using Widows XP in the vision impaired mode for legally blind users, where the icons and font are giant. LOL.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 5:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
Great, so if I told you that a vanilla Nexus 5 also dropped frames and chopped compared to my old Lumia, forget the iPhone 5S, you guys would still be making excuses.

quote:
You talk about apps reswizzled for the tablet screen size, Apple hasnt even re-done the UI for it.


Better apps matter me me a lot more than the launcher. You guys obsess over tweaking the front end and don't really care about apps. My priorities are the opposite. The Android front end is mediocre either way, hardly something to brag about, plus the apps suck in comparison. If the iOS launcher bothers you that much, despite the superior software, then I don't know what else to say. Theming my desktop never mattered to me either. We agree to disagree.


By retrospooty on 4/25/2014 5:38:12 PM , Rating: 2
Excuses? What?

It's a well knowen things that Android lags when bloated out with carrier and OEM software, not at all unlike Windows always has. Of course Samsung is the worst of the worst at that , and is the higherst seller, so it may give hte impression that Android is laggy. It's not an "excuse" to say when you remove the bloat it's fast, it's a fact.

Regardless of that, the point being driven here in this thread is that IOS lags, stutters too and you know it. I can see it on this clean iPad 4 with no apps loaded, running IOS 7.1.1 the latest update. It lags, and transitions arent "smoother" as you all say. My Nexus 7 and gpad with an older Snap600 are both noticeably faster, smoother transitions, smoother scrolling on web pages than the iPad. That is also a fact.

You like your apps? Great. Keep your platform but dont come on here telling us Android is laggy and IOS isnt. You could say Stock Samsung ROM's are laggy, that would be true. Some other OEMS too to a lesser extent, but it isnt hte OS itself.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/24/2014 7:52:10 PM , Rating: 2
Three checkboxes, Push, Fetch, Manual, it's all right there.

Everything all works for me. Apps are better too, crossplatform included, but if you don't use your phone or tablet much or just don't care then it's lost on you and will just be another thing to call overrated or bad. I have them side by side here and the differences are really obvious. If better apps mean less than bigger phones then it doesn't matter.


By KoolAidMan1 on 4/24/2014 8:55:20 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If better apps mean less than bigger phones then it doesn't matter.


By which I mean that Android devices like the Nexus 5 or G2 are clearly for you. I have nothing against any of these, just when bad information about iOS or WP comes out of the usuals here.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 9:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
So about this texting bug I just proved to you existed? I see you're pretending I didn't just totally blow your face apart after calling me technically illiterate.

quote:
Three checkboxes, Push, Fetch, Manual, it's all right there.


Nope, it's really not. I guess that's ANOTHER iOS7 bug I'll have to track down.

Ironically I'm doing more "tinkering" to fix this garbage iPhone than I've done with Android in a long time.


By KoolAidMan1 on 4/25/2014 2:10:17 AM , Rating: 2
Nope, doesn't blow my face apart because it is not a problem here.

Sorry you're having troubles.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 8:31:53 AM , Rating: 2
"Omg I have to stop myself, because I could seriously write a book about how bad this product is. I mean...wtf are people thinking? It's a garbage product!"

I know... It amazes me how bad it is. At least for me, it's not as bad as you because the iPad is a far better tablet than the iPhone is a phone, that and I dont have to use it day to day, just when I feel the need... I cringe when I need to help people get their iPhones working because I know I will have to touch it and use it to fix it.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By really? on 4/24/14, Rating: 0
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 2:52:18 PM , Rating: 2
Dude this is sarcasm right? I mean...how can you rape software?


By Donkey2008 on 4/24/2014 2:22:39 AM , Rating: 3
Because there are a lot of people who do "work" and do not need to customize their phone and play with wow fun features all day. They just want to check their email/calendar and have their contacts handy.

Android might be a wiz-bang toy for nerds but there are people who just want a straight forward OS that is easy to use. Some of us are too busy working to screw around with our phone all day (which is probably why most of the IT techs I have worked with use Android and most of the people who actually architect, build and run our network use iPhones...priorities and work ethic I guess).


By twhittet on 4/24/2014 11:46:25 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
Reclaimer was issued an iPhone 5c for work.


Unbelievable. That you have a job, since you spend all your time trolling on here.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Wazza1234 on 4/24/2014 4:01:14 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
I dunno... I would think Apple should be spending alot more on R&D as it seems they fall farther and farther behind the tech curve every year


Ah right, you mean like Samsung who just released a phone which is slower than the 7 month old iPhone, with the styling of their phones from 3-4 years ago, in a much larger enclosure with a tiny increase in screen size?


By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 7:40:08 AM , Rating: 2
Nope, not like that. Samsung is not something I hold up as a shinning example of what should be. Google would be a better example. Apple is just standing still these days.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By Reclaimer77 on 4/24/2014 11:29:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:

Ah right, you mean like Samsung who just released a phone which is slower than the 7 month old iPhone


It's funny you Appletards actually believe the iPhone is twice as fast as everything on the market.

Hint: Browser score tests only prove the phone has a faster software browser renderer. NOT that the hardware is overall twice as "fast".

The Galaxy S5, no matter how flawed you think it is, ,destroys the iPhone utterly and completely.


By BSMonitor on 4/24/2014 11:55:05 AM , Rating: 1
Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By ppi on 4/23/2014 7:03:33 PM , Rating: 2
It's highly debatable, whether going for completely new or very loosely linked businesses (e.g. the smart robotics) adds more value to the shareholders, in comparison with paying out them the profits and letting the shareholders decide, where they want to invest further.

Looking at wearables on the market, it's entirerly possible they did not yet find a way to make The Product.

Comparing it to WhatsApp acquisition, seriously, are there any customers who could potentially want to be Apple customers, and they are not yet (provided they can afford it)? Actually thinking of it, their best investment in that regard would be to make Windows iTunes actually usable.


By Da W on 4/24/2014 8:57:15 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It might seem smarter to give shareholders $90B versus say, spending $19B on a company with 500 million users (now), but only $20M USD in revenue last year.


Share buyback is neutral (in theory).
If the company has 100$ a share in its coffer, you should be willing to pay an extra 100$ a share since that cash is yours, as a shareholder.
If they use that cash to buyback stock, there will be less stock, individual share price will be higher by proportionnaly the same amount.

That is, if the market was truly smart and priced things right, which is not the case (12 times profits for Apple and 554 times profits for Amazon?????)


By Dr of crap on 4/24/2014 12:30:53 PM , Rating: 2
ALL companies are short sight now. Its all about pleasing the shareholders and none of them seem to have a plan over a few years if that!

In reality companies should be fine with slow growth, but in todays world, that just wont cut it. Make money for me now with your stock, you your done!


By euler007 on 4/24/2014 9:29:47 AM , Rating: 2
It's not the band I hate, it's their fans...


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By BSMonitor on 4/24/2014 11:52:32 AM , Rating: 1
LMAO, retro and Reclaimer on fire spewing the same BS no one cares about but those in their little circle jerk.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 11:56:36 AM , Rating: 3
Seriously BS? Just shut up. You lost all credibility as a man and a human being in general in this comment right here. http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=34548...

You have shown that you aren't even someone worth debating as you are nothing but a whiney child with no clue about anything. Stay safe in your home and let the grown ups talk now.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By BSMonitor on 4/24/2014 12:11:41 PM , Rating: 2
LMAO I am not the one ranting my own messed up bias at every turn. Then turning to other sheep who agree with me to bully people who disagree.

How does pointing out the utter ridiculous bias in your arguments cause me the loss of credibility??

I must be the shiniest mirror you have ever stood in front of. Lmao, I totally missed your pathetic attempt to mock me on that post.

Me, live in fear?? ROFLMFAO


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 12:23:34 PM , Rating: 3
"LMAO I am not the one ranting my own messed up bias at every turn"

OK, he says in a comment where I simly stated that Apple makes a TON of profit. Yes, how insanely biased am I. /s

"How does pointing out the utter ridiculous bias in your arguments cause me the loss of credibility??"

That didnt, this did.

How many Boston's can we endure and still feel safe enough to live our normal lives without the constant fear of mass death.

"Me, live in fear?? ROFLMFAO"

I repeat, the quote above is an exact quote from you.

How many Boston's can we endure and still feel safe enough to live our normal lives without the constant fear of mass death.

Giant loser. That's all I see now when you post now. A full sized 1/2 man. Oh, "how many Bostons can we endure!"

Weenie.


By BSMonitor on 4/24/2014 12:31:01 PM , Rating: 1
LMAO.

As you continually ignore the fact that your stance isn't my issue with you. Its that you patronize the divergent viewpoint to make yourself appear credible.

As you have just proven with this point... You are so transparent its laughable....

quote:
I know... It amazes me how bad it is.


RE: Damn, Apple makes alot of money.
By BSMonitor on 4/24/2014 12:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Giant loser. That's all I see now when you post now. A full sized 1/2 man. Oh, "how many Bostons can we endure!"


ROFLMAO

Says the child afraid of a hidden government plot to run our every day lives based on reading every text message we have ever sent?? In light of real people dying.. People who showed up to run a race.

Wow. And I am the child.. That mirror is awfully shiny...

Talk about exposing oneself.


By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 1:03:29 PM , Rating: 2
"Says the child afraid of a hidden government plot to run our every day lives based on reading every text message we have ever sent"

Uh... Except that isnt true and I never said it.

You did say this and I quote again.

"How many Boston's can we endure and still feel safe enough to live our normal lives without the constant fear of mass death ."

Seriously. Game over. You lose. Go home. You will never live that comment down. It shows who you are at the core. A cowering child. Buh bye.


Not Really That Surprising
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/23/2014 5:29:43 PM , Rating: 2
Some may disagree, but I feel most iPhone and iPad owners are clinging to their devices due to a fondness of the familiar style and core apps, plus a sort investment in the paid apps of the platform.

That's not to say that Apple offers a bad product. In fact, I feel it offers superb designs in terms of the chassis of the phone itself (although I understand if you don't like metal designs, you might not like Apple's designs).

The problem as I see it is still that the UI still is looking a little dated. iOS 7 didn't really fix this, it just basically offered a reskin that many users weren't fans of. It is clean, but is somewhat lacking features-wise vs. Android v4.4 and Windows Phone 8.1. Also Apple's prices for unsubsidized smartphones are wayyyy too high for many markets outside the U.S.

Apple is playing it safe -- it's hard to debate that point.

It may be wise to avoid any giant moves in terms of committing to new products, but it's also increasingly looking destined to a plateau in sales growth and then perhaps a slow decline in relevance and profits.

.....................................

The evolution of sales in each segment makes sense, if you consider it carefully.

If you look @ these markets, Macs sell like the niche product they are. That's not to say they're bad computers, but it's unrealistic to expect wild growth or wild declines....

In smartphones Apple is the clearest alternative to Android. The iPhone 5S is getting a little long in the tooth, but in terms of design (if you like metal, I should say) and in terms of the app market, it still arguably has a slight lead over many Android offerings.

Tablets are probably the weakest link in the Apple chain. Some people are looking to use their tablet for "real work"... those people will probably get a Windows tablet. And the majority of buyers -- who use their tablet primarily for social uses and fun/games -- will likely buy Androids given their price and hardware edge.

.....................................

Eventually you could see similar erosion in the phone market, but only if Windows Phone can convince buyers it'll allow them to do things that Android and iPhone can't.

Apple isn't moving very aggressively into new niches like wearables or TV, so don't expect any sort of Jobsian jumps in the stock. But it is still a very popular global brand, with popular core services and a generally popular "look" of its mobile and PC products.

Given its squeeze on the supply chain, Apple will keep stockpiling cash. Where things will get interesting is when sales start to slide (a la the 1990s). Given its massive cash pile (even with shareholder payouts) it will likely eye aggressive acquisitions at that point -- possibly hostile acquisitions of other large tech firms.

That will be the real test -- whether Apple can buy its way back to long-term relevance.

.....................................

Disclaimer:

I currently own a HTC One M8, which I'm liking so far, but I'm open to jumping to any platform in Oct. 2014 -- whichever offers the most attractive device.

I don't own a tablet, as I would only use it for a laptop, which I already own. I own a Retina MacBook Pro with dual boot Win8/OS X and a MSI gaming laptop with Windows 7, the latter of which I find myself primarily using, still, with the former relegated primarily for when I need something more portable with actual battery life.




RE: Not Really That Surprising
By corduroygt on 4/23/14, Rating: -1
RE: Not Really That Surprising
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/23/2014 5:56:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Your definition of "real work" must be very limited if it means Office, or software development. Doctors, Musicians, Airplane Pilots, Automobile manufacturers, all do real work and use iPads because the professional applications.
I know plenty of people working in the auto industry and the only ones using iPads have one floating around to test in-vehicle syncing.

Can you give any concrete examples of how iPads are revolutionizing auto design?

Pilots or doctors, sure, a tablet offers a decent replacement to a paper chart.

But in terms of real data management -- programming software, handling HR databases, handling patient databases (to borrow your PC example), an iPad isn't cutting it. You need a real PC (or a Mac if you prefer that).
quote:
Musicians....do real work and use iPads because the professional applications.
Jokes about the music industry aside, can you give any examples of a musician who uses their iPad to drive most of their music-making?

Just because Skrillex has 1/10th of his effects on some canned storage bin on his iPad and has an app to trigger them doesn't mean he needs that tablet for his work. He could easily replace it with an Android with the exact same app, assuming it gets ported.


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 6:03:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yup... Alot of pros do use iPads at work and when travelling but when the time comes to get the real work done they put the iPad down and go to their main PC's. Tablets are being used "in addition" to PC's in the office, not "in place of".


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By JasonMick (blog) on 4/23/2014 6:04:33 PM , Rating: 1
To add one final thought, I guess I agree with you to some extent that "real work" might be a bit of an oversimplification...

What I mean is that the majority of computer work tasks are at present easier to do on a PC than a tablet. Even with Office 365 Mobile on iPads/Android the mobile versions still are pretty limited feature wise.

As you point out some work tasks CAN be done on a tablet. But I would argue that many of those work tasks would be equally well suited for a large smartphone, which would allow you to cut your device count.

Tablets are good at sketching, having flexible GUIs to do some sort of effects (e.g. for DJs), or to take notes. But I think that at least 50 percent of that work can be done as easily or almost as easily on a smartphone, without the burden of an extra device.

E.g. Why couldn't a pilot or doctor take their notes/logs on the Galaxy Note 3 versus the iPad?

Do you have any compelling reason why, other than Apple's lingering exclusivity of some apps?

And if most of what the iPad CAN do can be replaced with a large smartphone, what good is it?


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By KoolAidMan1 on 4/23/2014 6:37:56 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
E.g. Why couldn't a pilot or doctor take their notes/logs on the Galaxy Note 3 versus the iPad?


The same reason Linux doesn't dominate the desktop over Windows: The software isn't there.

Phones are take it or leave it to me, all platforms are fine depending on which negatives bother you the least. On tablets it is different. Android's missing software and capabilities are magnified there because tablets are used for large screen apps. The world is filled with low end Android phones owned by people who don't spend a dime on apps and don't even have a gmail account. It's really replacing the dumb phone for many. This is fine since a phone that lets you text and do social media is plenty for most.

The problem as it trickles down to tablets is that this doesn't really make developers money. They can't generate even half the revenue they can on iOS despite it being on only 15% of global marketshare. It's a chicken and the egg problem, but this explains why iPads have over 90% deployment in enterprise.

I could just as easily go with a Nexus 5 or Lumia right now. The software situation makes the iPad the only tablet option for me, at least until Android or WinRT catches up in software selection and quality.


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By tonyswash on 4/23/2014 6:46:55 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What I mean is that the majority of computer work tasks are at present easier to do on a PC than a tablet. Even with Office 365 Mobile on iPads/Android the mobile versions still are pretty limited feature wise.

As you point out some work tasks CAN be done on a tablet. But I would argue that many of those work tasks would be equally well suited for a large smartphone, which would allow you to cut your device count.


I think that the often used notion of what work is may be a bit simplistic and may draw on paradigms from the PC age. Mobile devices seem to be less about replacing PCs (which they can do for some things but not others) and perhaps more about entirely new sorts of activities which simply never happened when people only had a choice of a desktop or laptop PC. What's happening is that the computer is spreading out and seeping into the fabric of life in all sorts of interesting and surprising ways. The spread of smart phones and tablets are only the start of that process.

Ben Thomson at the excellent Stratechery site had an interesting article about this recently, it's here:

http://stratechery.com/2014/specialist-mac-general...

A couple of other thoughts.

We are still so close to the start of the mass tablet market that it's still not clear what the replacement cycle of tablets is going to be. It looks to me that it might be a lot longer than for phones and quite a bit longer than PCs (or rather longer than what the traditional replacement cycle for PCs was, that too is lengthening). A lot of people with older tablets may be very happy to continue to use them for a long time before they seek a replacement. I have an iPad 2 and although the iPad Air looked a lot better in lots of ways in the end I couldn't justify the cost of an upgrade given what I actually use the iPad for, which is as a fairly constantly used data accessing device for the 80% of the day that I am not sitting in front of my PC.

The other thing that seems to be happening is that the split between phone and tablet is becoming very blurred indeed and actually there is now a continuum of mobile touch based devices with different screen sizes all of which do more less the same thing. I think Apple will almost certainly fill more of that size continuum with new device form factors in the near future.

As to whether Apple has something entirely new in the pipeline what I notice is the relentless round of very top level recruits that Apple has been hiring in the field of medical sensors. The most recent was Divya Nag, a rising star in the medical device community, but many others top people in a wide range of medical technologies have been hired in the last year or two so something seems to be brewing.


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 7:53:54 PM , Rating: 2
"Mobile devices seem to be less about replacing PCs (which they can do for some things but not others) and perhaps more about entirely new sorts of activities which simply never happened when people only had a choice of a desktop or laptop PC. What's happening is that the computer is spreading out and seeping into the fabric of life in all sorts of interesting and surprising ways. The spread of smart phones and tablets are only the start of that process"

What is happening here? 2 days in a row I agree with Tony, reclaimer has an iPhone 5c, I have an iPad4 (at work), whats next Blackberry makes a profit? OK, that last one is impossible...

Agreed about mobile though, and I am someone that thought tablets wouldn't take off. I have now purchased 6 on my own for myself and my family (3 + another 3 in a round of upgrades). They are just fun to use. Ironically, I hate them for gaming though.


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By tonyswash on 4/24/14, Rating: 0
RE: Not Really That Surprising
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 11:38:45 AM , Rating: 2
Yup, I am mostly only into FPS as well, and no tablet by any maker works for that type of game. That and the FPS's on tablets suck, even if not for the touchscreen.


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By Dorkyman on 4/24/2014 11:29:30 AM , Rating: 2
Gotta say as an occasional contributor here that I also find this a bit creepy, like the Seinfeld "Bizarro Jerry" episode. (shivers)


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 11:40:08 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... We really aren't all that different. A bunch of nerds arguing the merits of their platform of choice. That is pretty much why Al Gore invented the internet no?


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By Any14Tee on 4/25/2014 7:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, I think you guys are being a little unkind about the iPad. At work I most definitely use it on a professional level, in our meeting rooms the iPad makes a great door stopper, yes wedge it under the door to let the air in, I really must speak to the janitor about the air conditioning..........


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By Any14Tee on 4/25/2014 7:50:59 PM , Rating: 2
It's true, some idiot was using it to play Frisbee in the office, 'Catch' was a word my Polish colleague didn't understand, anyway makes a great door stopper.


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By mondo1234 on 4/23/2014 7:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
You need very few Data Management computers for alot of data input devices. Real data management isn't what a tablet is about.

In perspective, what you are saying is that UPS can do business without semis, trains and planes. In reality they still need smaller delivery vehicles to finish delivery, get signatures and close the loop, because that is what the customer paid for.

Data management and data input are two different things. Data management is all handled on the server side. You are right that the input can be easily handled by a tablet computer. There are companies using server configurations with tablets for input at a ratio of upwards of 100-1, no problem. You are also correct that the input is where the work is getting done, the server end is where the billing and quality assurance is getting done. There are a lot of companies that build the front end on tablets, as it reduces their training overhead.

The "real work" is where the money is or isnt made, the server side completes the loop.


RE: Not Really That Surprising
By BSMonitor on 4/24/2014 12:27:50 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Some may disagree, but I feel most iPhone and iPad owners are clinging to their devices due to a fondness of the familiar style and core apps, plus a sort investment in the paid apps of the platform.


iTunes/Software/Services - $4B
Accessories - $1.4B

It's this simple.

Microsoft proved that software locks people into hardware. And Apple had the head start on the software/app development side of this fight.

There are millions more people loyal to their app and music $$ than reclaimer and retro are to their endless hours of customizing their phone UI.


7 for 1 split??
By Boze on 4/23/2014 5:42:26 PM , Rating: 2
Jesus, we'll never heard of the end of this from TonySwash...




RE: 7 for 1 split??
By retrospooty on 4/23/2014 5:51:24 PM , Rating: 2
A split doesnt really change anything but the math. 700 shares at $100 each is the same as 100 shares at $700 each. It's all about market cap - which hasn't changed. Google just split last month. Not a big deal.

A much bigger big deal is Apple's consistent profits.


RE: 7 for 1 split??
By ilt24 on 4/23/2014 6:34:32 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
A split doesnt really change anything but the math.


I wonder if after all these years of having a high stock price, the reason for the split is they want to join the DJIA; which they couldn't do with a $500 stock price.


RE: 7 for 1 split??
By Donkey2008 on 4/24/2014 2:10:40 AM , Rating: 2
The stock price has been very stagnant for the past year and 1/2. At a lower buy-in price it will attract average Joe to invest in them, which will raise the price...hopefully.


RE: 7 for 1 split??
By Dorkyman on 4/24/2014 11:22:59 AM , Rating: 2
We were taught in B-school that there were several good reasons for a stock split.

The first one, as mentioned, is that many casual investors can't afford to buy a couple of shares @ $500, but at $70 it's doable. And no one wants to tell his friends he bought a single share.

The second and equally valid reason is that by definition a stock split implies the price is gradually rising, and that's a good thing. It's why splits are announced on the evening business news.


By BSMonitor on 4/24/2014 12:54:48 PM , Rating: 1
What a day. Just to get another rant going.

Reclaimer and Retro just outed themselves as racists and bigots..

Hahahahah!!haha!!Haha

Oh yeah, and one trivializes deaths of Americans at public events to prove points about people's manhoods...

What a day.. Go Apple, I am buying your products forever for kicking ass this quarter and exposing these two clowns.




By retrospooty on 4/24/2014 1:12:52 PM , Rating: 3
Opps... Sorry. Wrong. Take your foot and put it back into your mouth.

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=34784...

Give a person a chance to defend themselves before calling them a bigot. I am the farthest thing from it.

You lose, your pathetic attempt to backtrack out of your stupid comments just makes you look worse.


Apple has 150 billion in bank
By ptmmac on 4/24/2014 9:33:57 AM , Rating: 2
Some one missed the 80 billion in long tern securities apple has. They still have more cash than most countries.

Reclaimers problems with the iPhone are really nothing more than trying to teach an old dog new tricks. The real reason network effects are so powerful with software is we are not even aware of how dependent we are on context until we try to change software.

Getting Angry just makes that harder. I feel the same way in windows 7, until I remind myself to think about which computer I am on. Even using the login feels wrong some how. Why do I have to hit control alt delete before I can start to log on?




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