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"No Charge to Charge" will launch alongside the EZ-Charge card on July 1, 2014

Nissan is looking to lure in new LEAF customers by expanding its "No Charge to Charge" promotion and offering new EZ-Charge cards. 
 
According to Nissan News, the new EZ-Charge cards will allow Nissan LEAF owners to access EV charging networks like ChargePoint, Blink Network from Car Charging Group, AeroVironment and NRG eVgo.
 
The card will provide LEAF drivers with two years of public charging with the purchase or lease of a new LEAF. 
 
"No Charge to Charge" will launch alongside the EZ-Charge card on July 1, 2014 in 10 key LEAF markets, including San Francisco; Sacramento; San Diego; Seattle; Portland, Oregon; Nashville; Phoenix; Dallas-Ft. Worth; Houston, and Washington, DC. 
 

 
Buyers in these markets can take advantage of the "No Charge to Charge" and EZ-Charge cards if they purchase their LEAF on or after April 1, 2014.

"'No Charge to Charge' and EZ-Charge are a winning combination, making public charging free and easy for new LEAF buyers," said Fred Diaz, senior vice president, Nissan Sales & Marketing, Aftersales.

Once it rolls out in the first 10 markets, Nissan will expand the promotion to 15 additional markets in the following year. 

This sounds a lot like Tesla Motors' Supercharger network, which offers charging for its Model S EV at no cost to the driver. The Supercharger network just recently expanded from coast to coast, relieving EV drivers of range anxiety. 

Source: NissanNews.com



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By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 1:18:22 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry I buy the Liberal nonsense that EV users are saving the planet, so they should not have to pay taxes, get huge tax breaks for a car purchase, and pay nothing into the roads like the rest of us have to.

You can take that talking point, fold it up, and cram it you know where.

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The total benefits easily outweigh the cost. Studies already show lower lifetime running cost for an EV vs ICE.


No surprise there. Look at all that's handed out to EV owners!

My post had nothing to do with that, however. I judge NO man for making the best personal choice for them and their families. I would defend his right to buy an EV to the death.

My point was for equal taxation and benefits for ALL car owners. The Government should not favor one over the other. It's morally wrong!


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/18/2014 2:30:01 PM , Rating: 2
The interesting thing about morals is that they are personal and relative. For you, this is morally wrong and you have your justifications for that. For others, it is morally correct and they have moral justifications for that. You can rail all you wish against their morals, but it is merely a matter of opinion.

BTW, even without the incentives EV's as commuter vehicles make the best financial sense. But I certainly cannot fault the government for attempting to speed this transition given the societal benefits.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 3:00:56 PM , Rating: 2
What EV's? There's basically two viable EV's on the market, and one is priced so wildly out of reach of the general public, it might as well be off the list.

So the Nissan Left makes the best financial sense for everyone?


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/18/2014 4:26:52 PM , Rating: 2
Nissan Leaf, Chevy Spark EV, Fiat 500e (California only), BMW i3 (oddly reasonably priced for a BMW), Ford Focus EV, and half a dozen more headed to market. Personally the Spark EV is the one that is the no brainer for me financially. The Leaf and Focus would also make financial sense, the Focus EV especially on a lease which runs only $175/month.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 4:31:03 PM , Rating: 1
What if none of those appeal to me or meet my needs? You just aren't getting the point here.

That looks like a big list of loss-leaders foisted on the market due to regulations and manipulation.

And nobody I know would be caught dead in a Spark EV.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/18/2014 5:00:06 PM , Rating: 2
Why do you think its all about you? No one is taking away your car. There are lots of vehicles on the market that I have no interest in either but I do not go into forum threads about those cars and make nonsensical off-topic posts about why they don't serve my needs. If you don't like it, don't buy it. No one here will care.

My point in this thread was to point out that from a financial point of view, for urban and surburban dwellers, these cars have passed the tipping point where they are economic no-brainers.

Whether they are personally great cars for Reclaimer77, or whether your friends would be caught dead in one, or really any of the other odd issues you've chosen to take with my statement, all are irrelevant to my point. My point is only that right now buying a Spark EV, Leaf, or a couple of the others would save me money every month, and the vast majority of other urban and suburban drivers, EVEN if we factor in the cost of having a payment! That's great news. We can now save money thanks to advances in technology.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Mint on 4/18/2014 2:44:36 PM , Rating: 2
States are enacting road tax for EVs to make up for their share of roadwork, and I don't object.

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No surprise there. Look at all that's handed out to EV owners!
That's without any subsidy.

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My point was for equal taxation and benefits for ALL car owners.
Taxation should not be equal if there are unequal external costs.

Cost of transportation is a factor going into the cost of living used to determine SS/welfare payments, as well as general standard of living for everyone else. Why should gas cars put into the used car market not bear any responsibility for those costs?

Most people don't like that we have to buy oil from the middle east. How much less tax should an American pay for each dollar that he prevents from going there?

How about the unemployment caused by those countries buying only a fraction of US goods in return? They used to buy/fund our astronomically growing private debt (enabling everything we bought with it), but those days are over.

Each gasoline car sold today hooks the US economy to an average of ~200k future miles of gasoline usage and all its external costs. If there was a way to force new car buyers to pay up front for that, then EVs sales would be through the roof. But there isn't, so they don't. They only consider the first few years of cost.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 2:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, you're a Leftist loony for sure. Please go move to Europe, where people are appropriately punished for using petroleum sufficiently.

The slope you're advocating is so slippery, it might as well be a cliff. If you people get your way, we'll be taxed for the "unequal costs" of our food and energy use as well, and who knows what else.

This absurd Butterfly Effect logic has no place in this country. Hey I breathed extra hard today at work, which caused the CO2 and humidity to increase, which caused the air conditioners to work 0.000001% harder for my office. Which eventually leads to a farmer in Africa losing his crop. Tax me more please!!!!


By Reclaimer77 on 4/18/2014 3:09:21 PM , Rating: 2
In fact thank you for proving what we already knew. The reason you Liberals advocate EV's and green crap so much, you don't care about the technology or the benefits, you just want to punish people and make everyone live the way YOU think they should.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/18/2014 4:28:38 PM , Rating: 2
So basically you want everyone to subsidize your choices...


By atechfan on 4/18/2014 8:42:00 PM , Rating: 2
How make arguing against tax breaks for EVs reclaimer want people to subsidize his choice? Sounds more like he is arguing against subsidizing your choice. If an EV makes financial sense for you, then it still will without the government encouraging that choice.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/18/2014 8:53:50 PM , Rating: 2
If his choice did not have any subsidies then he would have a point. But his choice actually has a huge number of subsidies, ranging from direct subsidies of automakers and oil companies to subsidies of infrastructure requirements, tax breaks at both the federal and state levels for pipelines and refineries, economic costs for trade deficits created with oil producing nations, security costs for protecting that supply and environmental costs that we all pay to sustain his choice.

He is essentially telling us that the feds should not subsidize other people's transportation choices while ignoring the subsidies inherent in his transportation choice. If he were instead calling for internalization of all costs related to transportation, that every type of vehicle purchase should include all costs in the purchase price, fuel price and maintinence price, that would be an argument I would agree with. But he is not, he just wants to end the subsidies for EV's but apparently continue to recieve the subsidies for his car.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/19/2014 8:21:11 AM , Rating: 2
You're lying. My choice in vehicles are NOT "subsidized" in any way. My State and the Federal Government profit greatly from my choices.

You need a serious education if you somehow ignore the billions of dollars in tax revenue gas generates. Without the fuel taxes, this nation would be bankrupt from the State level on up.

Liberals have somehow convinced themselves that "oil" represents a net-loss in economic activity. Nothing could be further from the truth. It's insanity what you believe.

Trade deficits with oil producing nations? Hey idiot, we're a net oil EXPORTER!

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But he is not, he just wants to end the subsidies for EV's but apparently continue to recieve the subsidies for his car.


What subsidy!? What subsidy am I getting because my car burns gasoline? None! And don't give me the Butterfly Effect answer. Name me a DIRECT subsidy the Government is handing me because of the car I drive. In fact I don't even get a tax break, nor do I believe I should.

If I drove a GM or Chrysler, MAYBE you could make this argument, but you can't even do that.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/20/2014 12:07:52 AM , Rating: 2
So basically you write off all evidence of your subsidies as a 'butterfly effect' in order to avoid taking responsibility for your choices. There is no point in linking you to the dozens and dozens of studies on this topic, you will simply hand wave them away as a 'butterfly effect'. Oil is not a net positive, and it gets even worse once you factor in the environment impact and energy dependence.

You are welcome to your opinion, but it really is not backed by any evidence. And people like me will not feel guilty by availing ourselves of subsidies for EV's and pushing for more until people like you are willing to take some personal responsibility for your choices. I won't hold my breath though.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/20/2014 8:49:15 AM , Rating: 2
Wow, so I'm some horribly evil guy for driving an ICE car? I'm a bad guy!?

See this is what I'm talking about. You Liberals are truly sick in the head.

Take responsibility for my choices? Excuse me! Do you use electricity and water? Do you drive a vehicle? Do you live in a house or dwelling? How dare you judge me when you're a hypocrite!

Unless you're living in the woods and hunting for your own food, you have NO right to accuse my "lifestyle" of being some horrible evil thing I need to take "responsibility" for.

Who do you think made it possible for you to sit on the Internet and spew your nonsense in the comfort of your home or office? Liberal environmentalists or industrious people who worked hard to build the tools that provides us a high standard of living? And until you're willing to accept a lower standard of living, which you're clearly not, you have NO right to point fingers at others and judge their lives. How dare you!

Time for you to face some pragmatic realities of life and come back from LaLa Land. And if you can't do that, as always, go fu*k yourself.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/20/2014 2:56:38 PM , Rating: 2
As usual, you think its all about you and lose track of the thread topic. The topic is that EV's make financial sense. You whined like a baby that EV's get tax breaks and incentives. The counter point was that so do ICE vehicles, because they do. Then you went on some tirade about how that's a 'butterfly effect' to count those things.

Its real simple: Either we internalize all the costs of ICE ownership into the price of the vehicle and fuel to power it, or we incentivize alternative options in order to level the playing field. I'm fine with either route. You are the one trying to make excuses to get rid of one side of the equation while continuing to publicly fund your choices.

And as usual, you cannot engage in a discussion without calling others sick, twisted and to go F themselves.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/20/2014 6:48:01 PM , Rating: 1
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The counter point was that so do ICE vehicles, because they do.


We do? Where is my $7,500 tax break? Where do I get to NOT pay road taxes?

You still can't name a single direct subsidy we receive. Because we don't, nor do I believe we should.

I don't know why I'm bothering to discuss this with someone thick enough to believe oil is a net-loss economically. Petroleum is the backbone of our entire economy you lunkhead! And the taxes derived from this product powers our Government far more than EV's ever will.

Oh and I forgot, have a happy Easter, you dumb sh*t.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/21/2014 12:27:39 PM , Rating: 2
An indirect subsidy is still a subsidy. Also, the oil industry receives direct subsidies as well. You only try to make a distinction because it narrows the argument to the one you feel is most favorable, like the idiots who try to distinguish between 'micro' and 'macro' evolution.

And no, our government is mostly funded by income taxes, not petroleum taxes.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/21/2014 3:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
Actually income taxes only make up about a third of the Government's annual revenue. OOOPS!

Meanwhile it's impossible to calculate how much economic activity petroleum is responsible for. I mean seriously, think about it.

We can live in a world without electric vehicles, sorry. Good luck living without semi-trucks, trains, planes and cargo ships.

And good luck having roads to drive on without fuel-tax revenues.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/21/2014 5:45:37 PM , Rating: 2
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/backg...

Individual and corporate income taxes account for 51% of federal revenue. Payroll taxes are an additional 40%. I'm not sure where you came from with the statement that they are only about a third, but it is not based on fact. Petroleum taxation in its various forms would fit into the "Other" category and be substantially less than 6% of federal income sources.

And in an integrated system, you can point at a lot of things as 'necessary'. For instance, virtually everything you can think of also relies upon clean water supplies. Virtually everything in our supply chain requires base electrical power as well. You can point to many things and say "everything depends on this".

That said, what's most interesting is how everything you pointed at could actually be replaced by alternatives. None of them are essential. Semi-trucks can be replaced by trains, trains can be powered by electricity, planes can be powered by biofuels and cargo ships can be powered by electricity (the US Navy has many nuclear powered ships).

Petroleum is a short-sighted way to support our economy. It is a limited resource, incredibly dirty at all stages of use, and much of it is controlled by competing political interests. Repeatedly the US has had hard lessons in being reliant on a source largely produced out of the country, and the EU is learning the dangers of such dependence now with the actions of Russia in Georgia and the Ukraine. And that is before we address the pollution problems.

Alternatives exist, many are dirt cheap (nuclear) and others are becoming cheaper. Part of making them cheaper is increasing demand, something EV's are a leader in.

No one is stopping you from driving whatever you want. It will be decades before ICE vehicles go away. But they will at some point, either for economic, environmental or simply demand reasons, or more likely a combination of those things. As someone who likes to live on the cutting edge of tech, I'll likely leave them behind sooner than you will, and that's fine.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Reflex on 4/21/2014 6:06:26 PM , Rating: 2
Not to pile on or anything, but the petroleum industry has received an estimated $369 billion in direct subsidies since 1950, and that does not factor in the indirect subsidies for environmental damage and health impact, nor land use. Data here:
http://www.misi-net.com/publications/NEI-1011.pdf

Meanwhile those who buy a EV can have a maximum credit of up to $7500 applied to their tax bill depending on circumstances. Based on actual EV sales there is impossible their subsidies come even close to federal subsidies for the petroleum industry.

And none of this gets into all the tax breaks given businesses large and small for continuing to buy vehicles they needed to buy anyways.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/21/2014 7:32:52 PM , Rating: 2
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Not to pile on or anything, but the petroleum industry has received an estimated $369 billion in direct subsidies since 1950


I love how you think that's some huge argument-winning sum. Since 1950? Oil taxes alone eclipse that EVERY YEAR!


By Reflex on 4/22/2014 12:45:10 PM , Rating: 1
1) Citation needed
2) You claimed no direct subsidies. There are direct, and indirect subsidies. You are wrong. You were also wrong about income taxes. You are wrong about a lot of things. It is too bad you cannot be honest enough to admit your mistakes and adjust your arguments, or even rethink your opinions. Instead I'm certain the next EV thread will contain you as usual spewing the same discredited bullshit.

Or maybe not. Maybe you will surprise me.


RE: Its getting tough to justify not buying an EV..
By Mint on 4/19/2014 2:00:07 AM , Rating: 2
Who is being punished? EV buyers are simply are being taxed less in return for spending in a way that helps his country in multiple ways, and everyone is free to take advantage of that incentive until it runs out.

You have a problem with this slippery slope? Welcome to the real world of competition, where protectionism is everywhere (truly free trade is an illusion). If you try to be too "fair", you lose the game. Letting consumers/businesses pay zero consequences for externalities just because you're too lazy to consider them is a recipe for even worse of an outsourcing issue than we already have.

We've always had implicit "buy American" strategies and subsidies for things that lower lifetime costs, because they help the economy.


By Reclaimer77 on 4/19/2014 8:28:33 AM , Rating: 2
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EV buyers are simply are being taxed less in return for spending in a way that helps his country in multiple ways


You wanna help the country? Carpool or take the bus. Your EV is NOT "helping the country" in any way, shape, or form.

This fantasy you've concocted about EV's ushering in a Utopian state is part of a mental illness.

Also it's extremely disturbing that you favor taxation based on someone's activities being "helpful" or "harmful". Do you really want the IRS and Congress deciding which is which?


By Fritzr on 4/19/2014 11:46:39 PM , Rating: 2
I have the option of bus and carpooling to work and have tried both ... that is why I do neither.

You claim that taking YOUR choice away (false assumption, but it is your claim) is bad and to remedy your (non)problem requires that everyone else choose only what you want.

What I am seeing today in your comments is pure troll...


By Fritzr on 4/19/2014 11:39:56 PM , Rating: 2
Today it is gas taxes paying for the road network.

In the future, the payments will be shifted to the car registration or similar fuel independent tax. That shift has already started with special taxes paid by owners of EVs that other car owners are exempt from.

You do not need to worry, the discount in taxes will drive adoption, the increase in EV usage will drive alternative taxation. The politicians see value in handing out road construction contracts and they will make sure the money comes in to fund those handouts.


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