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This time, Hyundai gets called out in home market of South Korea

Hyundai/Kia last caught flak in late 2012 with regards to inflated fuel economy claims in over 1 million vehicles. After being audited by the EPA, the company admitted that “errors” were made in its fuel economy calculations.
 
“Given the importance of fuel efficiency to all of us, we’re extremely sorry about these errors,” said John Krafcik, president and CEO of Hyundai Motor America, back in November 2012. 


2015 Hyundai Sonata
 
It appears that Hyundai didn’t learn its lesson the first time around (which cost is nearly $400 million), and has admitted to another “error” in calculating the fuel economy for its redesigned, home-market Sonata. Hyundai had initially stated that the revised sedan saw its fuel economy improve by 6 percent compared to the previous model. However, government testing showed that the improvement was only 2 percent.


 
The 6 percent improvement also seemed incredibly optimistic given that the revised Sonata is actually heavier than the model it replaces.
 
Hyundai has since apologized for the irregularity, stating that it is “very sorry for causing confusion.”

Sources: Reuters, Autoblog Green, Detroit News



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RE: "Error" my ass.
By NimbleYork on 3/18/2014 3:13:40 PM , Rating: 1
Except there really was no error. Hyundai never even should have apologized the first time because actual owners of Hyundais never had issues with fuel economy. They were all puzzled because they weren’t able to reproduce these "low-mileage claims". Even all my acquaintances who own Hyundais said they get advertised or even better fuel economy.

It was a third party organization acting on their own that used only a few anomalous cases to spearhead a smear-campaign.

And this current case is Hyundai, on their own before any car has been sold, correcting an error……an error that’s less than 1kpg.

The real intentional errors are like Ford mis-stating mileage numbers by more than 5-7mpg.


RE: "Error" my ass.
By niva on 3/18/2014 4:30:01 PM , Rating: 2
You still can't prove if it was intentional or not. The problem I have with EPA numbers is that they are not standard. These tests absolutely should be standardized IMO. They should create standard test courses that all cars must go through in as close to similar conditions as possible.

A closed cirucit loop can be used to amazing effects to calculate cruising MPG @ 75 mph for 1 hour and get very good numbers. A road course would be great for simulating race conditions for performance cars.

Anyways, good for the customers that they're happy. Hyundai is one of the most improved companies in the world over the last decade. I love the design of their new cars.


RE: "Error" my ass.
By docinct on 3/18/2014 5:41:29 PM , Rating: 2
" They should create standard test courses that all cars must go through in as close to similar conditions as possible."

I believe that is called a Consumer Reports road test.


RE: "Error" my ass.
By Alexvrb on 3/19/2014 12:34:36 AM , Rating: 2
Actually the EPA tests ARE standardized, and they were revised to be stricter and more real-world in 2008. Hence why a lot of models "lost" MPGs in 2008 - although you can use fueleconomy.gov to compare pre-2008 models using the new estimates (they also show old sticker estimates). These revised tests generally provide pretty decent estimates of real-world results the average driver might see, especially compared to other testing methods deployed in other places.

The problem is that the EPA doesn't actually perform all of the testing themselves. They test a portion of models (engine/trans combinations) to make sure their results aren't way out of line. But the majority of the testing and reporting is done by the manufacturers themselves - in this case, Hyundai. The problem is when they don't follow the EPA testing procedures properly, or otherwise fudge the numbers.

So it's not the testing methods, it's the testers. I think the EPA should stop chasing the CO2 bogeyman and test all possible model/engine/trans combinations sold in the US. This should be in addition to manufacturers testing using the same methodology, to make sure the manufacturers aren't way off.


RE: "Error" my ass.
By Alexvrb on 3/19/2014 12:25:39 AM , Rating: 2
No error? That's a good one! You don't seem to actually know what happened with the Hyundai and Kia models affected in the US. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't factor in what models and what years were affected, either. I'm not defending Ford, Ford really screwed up bad (intentionally) with the C-Max numbers, by using an EPA loophole that let them use a Fusion Hybrid test with the same drivetrain. The revised C-Max numbers dropped it from 47 to 43 combined and 40 Highway. 4-7 MPG is drastic, although it is not "more than 5-7 mpg" as you state. Regardless, that's pretty bad, but it is a single model.

Meanwhile, Hyundai/Kia intentionally overstated MPG across a number of models! Some of them only saw their MPG ratings adjusted slightly (1-2 MPG). Others were off by 3-4 MPG highway, and still others... well a number of Kia Soul models saw their highway mileage plummet by 5-6 MPG highway. They fudged numbers by just a little bit across the board, and they got too greedy with certain models. Then they marketed the heck out of them, flaunting their MPG numbers over Honda and Toyota on advertisements for a couple of years before they had to cut their numbers.

But you know what? Don't listen to me. See what Hyundai has to say about it:

https://hyundaimpginfo.com/overview/affected-model...

https://kiampginfo.com/overview/affected-models

That's a lot of models affected.


RE: "Error" my ass.
By lawrance on 3/21/2014 2:11:27 PM , Rating: 1
Between Samsung and Hyundai, some of you are some South Korean loving mother fuckers!


RE: "Error" my ass.
By danwat12345 on 3/25/2014 10:30:58 PM , Rating: 2
It is an error if it is a problem with the coast down test. That was the problem with the first MPG fiasco.


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