quote: Oh, and there's this thing called planning for the future. Graphics companies don't have to do that as they just have to put more transistors in a smaller space, and voila, you got a bettter GPU!
quote: Only problem is that ATi and nVidia's product cycles change once every 6 months compared to Intel and AMD's cycle of 1-2 years.
quote: > "companies don't have to do that as they just have to put more transistors in a smaller space, and voila, you got a bettter GPU! "
...And how is that any different than on a CPU? "
quote: most desktop applications will never be able to use dozens of cores at once. So long-term, single-threaded performance sitll needs to improve
quote: Advances in languages, compilers, and tools open the possibility of significantly improving software. For example, Singularity uses type-safe languages and an abstract instruction set to enable what we call Software Isolated Processes (SIPs). SIPs provide the strong isolation guarantees of OS processes (isolated object space, separate GCs, separate runtimes) without the overhead of hardware-enforced protection domains. In the current Singularity prototype SIPs are extremely cheap; they run in ring 0 in the kernel’s address space.
quote: Singularity achieves good performance by reinventing the environment in which code executes. In existing systems, safe code is an exotic newcomer who lives in a huge, luxurious home in an elegant, gated community with its own collection of services. Singularity, in contrast, has architected a single world in which everyone can be safe, with performance comparable to the unsafe world of existing systems.
quote: A key starting point is Singularity processes, which start empty and add features only as required. Modern language runtimes come with huge libraries and expressive, dynamic language features such as reflection. This richness comes at a price. Features such as code access security or reflection incur massive overhead, even when never used.
quote: A Singularity application specifies which libraries it needs, and the Bartok compiler brings together the code and eliminates unneeded functionality through a process called "tree shaking," which deletes unused classes, methods, and even fields. As a result, a simple C# "Hello World" process in Singularity requires less memory than the equivalent C/C++ program running on most UNIX or Windows® systems. Moreover, Bartok translates from Microsoft® intermediate language (MSIL) into highly optimized x86 code. It performs interprocedural optimization to eliminate redundant run-time safety tests, reducing the cost of language safety.
quote: Aggressive interprocedural optimization is possible because Singularity processes are closed—they do not permit code loading after the process starts executing. This is a dramatic change, since dynamic code loading is a popular, but problematic, mechanism for loading plug-ins. Giving plug-ins access to a program's internals presents serious security and reliability problems [snip]... Dynamic loading frustrates program analysis in compilers or defect-detection tools, which can't see all code that might execute. To be safe, the analysis must be conservative, which precludes many optimizations and dulls the accuracy of defect detection.
quote: As for Mitosis, remember that its still very far down the horizon, as it requires hardware support that isn't in existence yet
quote: Furthermore, the amount of parallelism that can be extracted via Mitosis is rather limited. Diminishing returns sets in hard on anything over four cores
quote: From the same way one knows about the performance of any processor before it's built-- software simulation
quote: at 8 cores, the results are less impressive---about a 3.5X speedup
quote: And guess what, fanboys make up less than 0.01% of the computer buying market. For the vast majority of people, what is the best ratio of speed, power consuption, and price.
quote: enthusiasts make up 1% of the computer market
quote: by DallasTexas on July 22, 2006 at 9:27 AM
AMD got their butt kicked. Get over it and quit whining. The better product always wins and nobody cares about your "gee, pls love AMD anyway, BS". Your an embarrassment.
Netburst? It was the probably the most successful products EVER. Selling 500 million of these over 5 years is pretty good to me. Sure, three years later it ran it's course and Intel decided to ride that design for two more years. Guess what, it what clowns like you wanted - more megahertz.
quote: If it wasn;t for Intel, you'd be speaking Chinese right now.
quote: If it wasn;t for Intel, you'd be speaking Chinese right now.
quote: The Pentium IV was a flop from start, Intel's new processor only corrects that. Where's Hypertransport??? where's the on-die memory controller and so forth??? I see a HUGE cache, now, let's move to applications that don't use cache very well.</qoute>
You can't be serious or you're just a n00b. While the IPC was low on the P4 when it cam out , it had the high clock speed to more than make up for it and dominate anything in its time. Not to mention the later release of Hyper threading, which made better use of existing silicon and brought a smooth desktop performance to the masses which was previously reserve for the rich. Granted the AMD64 came out hitting hard but the fact it ever since the original Athlon came out, both Intel and AMD have been playing leap frog with each other in terms of performance. FYI even without an integrated memory controller and no point to point interconnecting bus, Conroe seems to be performing quite well. If you asked me, since AMD has to use these 2 feature to perform as well as it does, it just might suggest that AMD64 wasn't that good of a design in the first place. And as for the cache, you obviously have done very little programming (if any).
quote: AMD must be really feeling the pressure from Intel. Good luck in keeping up the spirit of competition!
quote: Do you really think AMD just came up with this shit because of Conroe? You think someone spent a weekend at work after the Conroe launch and pulled K8L out of their ass on Monday morning?
quote: AMD's 'demonstration' this year is being prompted by Intel moving up its quad core release to Q406
quote: Actually I think AMD has always had the designs, but they have been keeping them away from the customers until Intel finally caught up with them. Now that Intel has they are going to pull the designs out like some sort of new invention that is supposed to revolutionize the industry. They will also start producting around the time that Vista will come to the market making K8L along with the latest ATI videocard and chipset the best solutions to buy for Vista.
quote: Earlier AMD roadmaps have revealed that quad-core production CPUs would not utilize a native quad-core design until late 2007 or 2008
quote: Intel has already demonstrated working quad core server and DT parts, glued together or not, it has bit because there were real...
quote: AMD really needs to do something to stay in the game here. I mean conroe is kicking there asses. I thought once conroe came out AMD would have something to offer to the market that would be better but now i am seeing differntly.