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New version of Windows 8.1 would be free or "very low cost"

Things aren’t going exactly as planned for Microsoft with Windows 8/8.1. The operating system hasn’t kept up the sales pace with its predecessor, Windows 7, and has come under fire for user interface decisions that have infuriated users.
 
Microsoft, however, is countering by appealing to customers’ wallets. Microsoft is reportedly cutting Windows 8.1 license fees by 75 percent (on budget hardware priced $250 and below) in an effort to past cost savings on to the end-user.
 
Now, according to separate reports from The Verge and ZDNet, Microsoft may be taking things a step further.

 
Microsoft is reportedly developing a version of Windows 8.1 that will come bundled with Bing services strewn throughout the operating system. For now, this variant is simply known as “Windows 8.1 with Bing.”
 
According to The Verge, there are two possible avenues for Microsoft to offer this free version of Windows 8.1 to customers. The first would be as an upgrade to customers that are still using Windows 7. The second option would be to allow PC makers to offer Windows 8.1 with Bing on even lower-cost hardware to customers.
 
Either option (or both if Microsoft so chooses) would hopefully allow Microsoft to boost Windows 8.1’s market share.

Sources: The Verge, ZDNet





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RE: You can't even give it away
By Omega215D on 2/28/2014 11:23:52 AM , Rating: 0
Bing is just as good as Google search and sometimes a little better because the results are a bit more relevant. Google has shown to be pretty inaccurate with quite a few of my searches lately. It's also good to have different results for some topics.


RE: You can't even give it away
By otherwise on 2/28/2014 11:26:39 AM , Rating: 2
There is a site that microsoft set up to do blind Bing vs. Google comparison of search results. The site is http://www.bingiton.com/.

I took the challenge a while ago with 10 search terms I use at work, all technical and/or industry specific. Google won 10/10.


RE: You can't even give it away
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/28/2014 11:32:23 AM , Rating: 4
Just did that "test", and I picked Google 4 out of 5 times.


RE: You can't even give it away
By AMDftw on 2/28/2014 11:53:20 AM , Rating: 4
5 out of 5 for me. Google wins.


RE: You can't even give it away
By Mitch101 on 2/28/2014 12:11:37 PM , Rating: 4
Draw for me 3 of 5 on the bing side. I can see the link I would choose within the top 3 of both.

You want to talk about disasters how about the new google maps interface. Way to ruin a good thing. Google if its not broken don't fix it. Its like a horrible copy of Here.com

I also view bing as an application more than just search. Finding cheap airline flights and whether the price is going up or down Bing wins hands down.

Google certainly stole the forever scroll on images from bing except google images messes up a lot when you click on an image it open in an area of the screen where you have to scroll way up to get to it thats if and when it chooses to stay open.

Who doenst like searching for videos on Bing. Hands down the best for finding videos.


RE: You can't even give it away
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 2/28/2014 12:13:48 PM , Rating: 2
Umm, "videos". For research, right? ;-)


RE: You can't even give it away
By Mitch101 on 2/28/2014 12:19:00 PM , Rating: 4
LOL Caught me one handed. ;)


RE: You can't even give it away
By Souka on 2/28/2014 12:39:19 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm....

I did 5 searches using the bingiton website and noticed something odd with the results.

The Google side of the page looked very dull, plain, low contrast fonts and grainy. Whereas the Bing side was neat, bold, and sharp.

I took my same searches, went directly to google.com, and did the searches. The results were formatted and fonts looked better compared to bingit on.

Hmm... go figure... the bingiton makes the google search look like crap.

Google should put out its own version... call it googleiton.com :)


RE: You can't even give it away
By retrospooty on 2/28/2014 12:58:10 PM , Rating: 4
"Google should put out its own version... call it googleiton.com "

That just isn't needed. Bing has an inferior product, next to no market share, and no chance of ever being a threat unless something dramatically changes with Bing's engine. Why even acknowledge them.


RE: You can't even give it away
By Reclaimer77 on 3/1/2014 9:59:28 AM , Rating: 2
What a shock, Google wins for everyone here BUT Mitch. How convenient!

quote:
You want to talk about disasters how about the new google maps interface.


Way to stay on topic bud!

quote:
Google certainly stole the forever scroll on images from bing


Are you running against Apple'tards for most annoying and obnoxious fanbois ever? Accusing everyone of "stealing" from you is a staple of theirs. Microsoft hardly invented this concept, come on.

quote:
Who doenst like searching for videos on Bing. Hands down the best for finding videos.


Most every video of any consequence is going to be on YouTube anyway. I use YouTube to search for videos. Why would I fire up Bing to find videos?


By inighthawki on 3/1/2014 4:09:19 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Most every video of any consequence is going to be on YouTube anyway. I use YouTube to search for videos. Why would I fire up Bing to find videos?

Bing videos is famous for searching for porn ;)


RE: You can't even give it away
By Samus on 3/1/2014 2:11:36 AM , Rating: 2
I also just did it, 4/5 wins for Google.


RE: You can't even give it away
By SpartanJet on 2/28/2014 12:01:44 PM , Rating: 1
4 out of 5 Bing for me.


RE: You can't even give it away
By Wererat on 2/28/2014 4:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
For me, it's split; but you can make any side 'win' at will because the search result formatting is very distinctly different between Bing/Google. If you can't tell which result belongs to which engine, you're not trying. It's not a blind test.

My impressions:

For most purposes, including scientific/technical info, they both win. Almost invariably, the thing I wanted is at or near the top.
For product capability searches (e.g., "does phone X support AptX?") Bing usually deprioritizes some of the vendor chaff, so I prefer that.
If I'm actually looking for vendors that sell product X, Google triumphs.

Really, the slight variances in result prioritization are minute, and people pick the engine that they're used to (which, of course, is why Bing can't 'overtake' Google).


RE: You can't even give it away
By Mint on 3/1/2014 11:08:16 AM , Rating: 2
I like everything about Bing (esp homepage/videos/images) except their technical results, and unfortunately for MS, that means you, I, and many other have no choice but to stick with Google.

It'll take a while for MS to catch up with results for less mainstream topics.


By Shadowmaster625 on 3/3/2014 9:01:28 AM , Rating: 2
3 googles and 2 draws for me. Bing got 0. At least they are honest....


RE: You can't even give it away
By ranran on 2/28/2014 11:35:59 AM , Rating: 2
sorry, I'll have to disagree. Whenever I search in Bing, it's just......awful. When setting up new systems, I sometimes forget to change IE's default search to Google. I notice it right away when I search for something from the titlebar and all these sites not particularly relevant come up - "oops, forget to change default search" is my immediate thought....


RE: You can't even give it away
By retrospooty on 2/28/14, Rating: 0
RE: You can't even give it away
By kmmatney on 3/1/2014 10:57:57 AM , Rating: 2
Great post. Completely and 100% agree, and the same thing happens to me. Most of the time, in this situation I'm searching for a driver or a specific program, and the Bing results are utter crap. Switch to Google - suddenly I find everything I need.


RE: You can't even give it away
By JediJeb on 3/2/14, Rating: 0
RE: You can't even give it away
By CaedenV on 2/28/2014 5:07:46 PM , Rating: 2
I find that Bing does a much better job when I am looking for a local business, or something in current events. Google still seems to have a large edge when I am trying to more of a topical search... the more technical, the more Bing seems to get lost and confused.

Still, I have been using Bing as my default at work lately and I am pretty happy with it... especially now that it has earned me a few years of sky/onedrive.


RE: You can't even give it away
By kmmatney on 3/1/2014 10:40:25 AM , Rating: 2
I guess I'm so used to Google, that I know exactly what to type in, and can filter my searches quickly. With Bing, I always get a bunch of crap on my searches. I've tried to use Bing, as recently as a few days ago, but I can never find what I need. Most of my searches deal with science or programming - Google is much better.


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