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German newspaper Bild am Sonntag said that the NSA is currently spying on about 320 politicians and business leaders in Germany

U.S. President Barack Obama stopped the National Security Agency's (NSA) spying on Chancellor Angela Merkel, but a German newspaper claims that the NSA is still keeping a close watch on top German government officials. 
 
According to Reuters, German newspaper Bild am Sonntag said that the NSA is currently spying on about 320 politicians and business leaders in Germany, including Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere, a close confidant of Merkel.
 
Bild am Sonntag said its information came from a high-ranking NSA employee in Germany, who chose to remain anonymous. 
 
"We have had the order not to miss out on any information now that we are no longer able to monitor the chancellor's communication directly," said the NSA employee, according to Bild am Sonntag.


Chancellor Angela Merkel and President Obama [SOURCE: Truth Frequency Radio]

Berlin has been looking to make a "no-spy" deal with Washington, and German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier is due to visit the U.S. on Thursday for that purpose. 

In October 2013, German magazine Der Spiegel reported that the U.S. had tapped Chancellor Merkel phone for years, and spied on 34 other world leaders as well. This led one German politician to call for a complete halt on trade negotiations between the European Union and the U.S.

But Obama attempted to calm the situation in January when he ordered the NSA to stop spying on the leaders of U.S.-allied nations.

Sources: Reuters, The Hill



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By Motoman on 2/24/2014 1:44:38 PM , Rating: 5
Here's an idea: how about we only spy on declared enemies, and/or those for whom there is sufficient evidence to issue an individual warrant for surveillance?

I know, crazy thoughts.




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By Decom on 2/24/2014 2:05:30 PM , Rating: 2
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Here's an idea: how about we only spy on declared enemies, and/or those for whom there is sufficient evidence to issue an individual warrant for surveillance?


Even though the President told them to stop in January, did anybody really believe they were going to just stop.

I'd say they've scaled back for the time being to let things cool off before they go back to normal operation. All the while everyone outside the US gets more sickened by their actions everyday.

Why there isn't larger outrage among the US populace is baffling. Your Spy Agencies are ruining your reputation, well what little you had left, worldwide.


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By PitViper007 on 2/24/2014 3:28:27 PM , Rating: 2
All the while everyone outside the Washington DC ruling class gets more sickened by their actions everyday.

There. Fixed that for ya.


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By Aloonatic on 2/24/2014 3:56:02 PM , Rating: 3
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Even though the President told them to stop in January.
You missed an important part out.

Should have been.
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Even though the President told them to stop *wink* *nods when people are looking* *shakes head when people aren't* *wink* in January.


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By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/2014 5:51:44 PM , Rating: 5
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Even though the President told them to stop in January


Uhhh no. He publicly pretended he knew nothing about it, and pushed all blame on someone else. Standard Obama deflection strategy. "I didn't know, I'm as shocked as you! Those guys suck!"

While privately he tells the NSA to keep up the good work...

This idiotic idea that the President of the United States has NO power over the NSA is absolute BS! Stop watching MSNBC or whatever is shoveling this nonsense to you.

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Why there isn't larger outrage among the US populace is baffling.


LMAO you're joking right? When nearly EVERY news station, newspaper, and media outlet is doing it's best to minimize this controversy, repeat Obama's lies and excuses without question, and are just trying to make this go away.

People can't be outraged when they don't know the truth!


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By Decom on 2/25/2014 1:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
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Uhhh no. He publicly pretended he knew nothing about it, and pushed all blame on someone else. Standard Obama deflection strategy. "I didn't know, I'm as shocked as you! Those guys suck!"

While privately he tells the NSA to keep up the good work...


That's what I suggested, that they were on the down low for a while, once things blow over it will be back to normal operations.

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This idiotic idea that the President of the United States has NO power over the NSA is absolute BS! Stop watching MSNBC or whatever is shoveling this nonsense to you.


The President has power , it's just political grandstanding in telling them to scale back their activities.
He's probably more pissed for them getting caught.
I also don't know why you pull the "stop watching MSNBC" B$ as I'm not American and get my news from a variety of sources.

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LMAO you're joking right? When nearly EVERY news station, newspaper, and media outlet is doing it's best to minimize this controversy, repeat Obama's lies and excuses without question, and are just trying to make this go away.

People can't be outraged when they don't know the truth!


And bang, you've hit the nail on the head right there.

Most of the US populace choose to not be informed or to get their news from reputable sources, I'd say a very large proportion of the country haven't an iota what is going on in Washington, on both sides of the political spectrum. Greed has corrupted your country's governance and the rest of the world is paying a mighty high price for the United States inability to self govern with any semblance of reason or sense.


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By majorpain on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
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By Schrag4 on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
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By Strunf on 2/25/2014 7:31:02 AM , Rating: 2
The thing is no one cares what you do not your government nor any other government on this planet, the point of spying everyone is not to spy on common folks, the point is that when you spy everyone you'll also spy people of some interest.
I realize people in the US haven't really tasted freedom, but here, we have, and for us it's not normal to spy on people without any kind of motive, this is cause we know power corrupts and the moment someone is given the power to spy on everyone he will with no doubt abuse of this power.
I don't think Hollywood is really spot on with their movies but "Enemy of the State" depicts quite well some of the problems we have when some agency becomes too powerful and ultimately completely independent from the state.


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By Schrag4 on 2/25/2014 9:36:24 AM , Rating: 3
I think we're saying the same thing (perhaps you missed what I was saying). Our founding fathers went out of their way to make it clear that the government should not have the ability to search citizens unless there's some reasonable suspicion that the one being searched is doing something wrong. The NSA spying basically searches every single citizen without any suspicion. It's clearly illegal under our own laws. The domestic spying may or may not have been initiated for "innocent" reasons, but it's scary how easy it could be abused (already has been by all accounts). It's simply not worth it, IMO.


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By Reclaimer77 on 2/25/2014 9:39:11 AM , Rating: 2
And where is "here" if you don't mind me asking?


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By Strunf on 2/26/2014 5:18:35 AM , Rating: 2
Switzerland ;)


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By amanojaku on 2/24/2014 2:39:43 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe there's more to this spying than we realize. Is Germany really a threat to anyone? Doesn't look like it. No nukes, a constitution that only allows for defensive military deployments, and a military so small that the US criticized it. Methinks the NSA is just trying to get its hands on the best beer recipes and hardcore porn. What other secrets does Germany have?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b...


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By Aloonatic on 2/24/2014 5:05:09 PM , Rating: 2
Of course Germany is a threat. There are more threats to a nation than simple military threats.

You have to bear in mind that they are, essentially, the de facto leaders of the European Union as France is in a mess, The UK aren't interested in taking part in the EU (and are in bed with the USA with much of this too) and Italy are, well, Italy, but there are quite a lot of people, resources, knowledge and (most importantly) money floating around the EU for the USA to want to keep tabs on, or the people/person leading them along.


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By Strunf on 2/25/2014 7:34:05 AM , Rating: 2
I think you have no real knowledge how the EU operates, Germany is no more the de facto leaders of the EU than the Banks and wall street are the de facto leaders of the US...


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By NellyFromMA on 2/25/2014 12:01:22 PM , Rating: 3
But, the Banks and Wall Street ARE the de facto leaders of the US.... well, also add Corporations for good measure. That's USA in a nutshell. Germany does indeed have LARGE and disproportionate influence over EU policy in virtually all respects. Unless you consider the German economy as it pertains to the EU economic share as a whole. Then it's quite proportionate.


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By Aloonatic on 2/25/2014 2:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
a) I clearly have more of an idea about the EU than you do. I've lived in it all my life, I'm guessing that you haven't.

b) Your counter point is poor. The Banks of Wall Street aren't a political entity, they are an economic one, and as such they are the de facto leaders on the global economy by being the largest, most dominant players. Kinda how as a certain country is the largest, most dominant state in the EU. Now which one is that????


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By Strunf on 2/26/2014 5:09:14 AM , Rating: 2
a)The thing is I live in Europe... otherwise I wouldn't care about what you say of Europe.

b)Germany is not a political entity either... the point is that it's no more difficult to Americans to change their laws as it is for anyone else in Europe, with the advantage that there's not really a single person in Europe that can change the laws for every state. Also you may think that Germany is somehow pulling the strings however that's not really the case, they have to associate themselves with France just so they can have more votes when passing some actions, so it's still a democracy even at the EU level.


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By Aloonatic on 2/27/2014 5:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
I think the subtleties of what I am saying are clearly lost on you and you are one of those binary people who can only think of issues and what people say in and all or nothing way, or at best (to be generous) English isn't your first language, which I think is probably the case, after reading your second paragraph a few times, which still makes no sense.

I'll guess at what you mean though. It seems that you are denying that Germany is the most powerful and influential country in the EU? You also seem to think that I have said that they rule over the EU can make all the rules and that it's not a democracy of some kind? I didn't, I said that they are the de facto leaders. Maybe to you, it that is the same thing, but to me it's not. I am from a country where a leader still has to get others to agree with them to get things done. No "string pulling" etc, but they are influential, and would be worth spying on, compared to others.

As an aside. The funny thing is, when you see Chancellor Merkel and hear from other Germans, it seems that (since the financial crisis, which is when they've been thrust into this position) they really aren't comfortable with their position.


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By Reclaimer77 on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
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By BZDTemp on 2/24/2014 2:49:24 PM , Rating: 2
Not crazy. Keeping up the current modus operandi is crazy. Simply put friends don't spy on friends so either the spying needs to stop or the list of friends of the US is gonna become a really short one rather quickly.

It's a F****** disgrace!


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By Ammohunt on 2/24/2014 2:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
Countries like Israel spy on the US yet we are not enemies. China is our "friend" so we shouldn't spy on them? you make no sense.


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By lagomorpha on 2/24/2014 3:17:07 PM , Rating: 3
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Countries like Israel spy on the US yet we are not enemies.


If Israel is a friend they're like the friend that always asks for money, ruins our relationships with our other friends, starts fights and drags us into them, acts condescending to us, manipulates us, and is ready to stab us in the back the second it benefits them.

So Israel might not be an enemy but they certainly act like an abusive psycho girlfriend.


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By atechfan on 2/24/14, Rating: 0
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By Jeffk464 on 2/24/2014 5:04:47 PM , Rating: 1
Yup, more like the trophy wife that marries the rich older man for his money. :)
Yup we are Israel's friend I'm just not sure they are ours. The only benefit I see is that they share intelligence with us.


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By MechanicalTechie on 2/24/2014 6:59:29 PM , Rating: 3
Dear Mr NSA Apologist,

You sir are a muppet and your government loving arse is one day going to wake up from the utopian propaganda bollocks that your masters have pumped into your head... possibility via your backdoor.

Your sincerely

Rest of the World.


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By NellyFromMA on 2/25/2014 12:02:56 PM , Rating: 2
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Rest of the World.


The UK is not the rest of the world. Also, the UK is at least as abusive in this regard as the US. Just saying.


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By Ammohunt on 2/25/2014 1:47:10 PM , Rating: 2
Dear delusional paranoid freak, the bogey man is coming go hide in the hills while you still can!


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By Solandri on 2/26/2014 5:27:23 AM , Rating: 2
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Here's an idea: how about we only spy on declared enemies, and/or those for whom there is sufficient evidence to issue an individual warrant for surveillance?

I know, crazy thoughts.

Here's an idea: how about politicians always tell friendly allies the truth. Then there will be no need to spy on friends because one of them will never backstab you by telling you one thing, then doing another.

No? Well now you know why friends spy on friends.


"A politician stumbles over himself... Then they pick it out. They edit it. He runs the clip, and then he makes a funny face, and the whole audience has a Pavlovian response." -- Joe Scarborough on John Stewart over Jim Cramer














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