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"Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers"

Sony's PlayStation 3 has been in the news a lot in the past year. First there were issues with its Blu-ray support and then there were the reports on the console’s delay and finally the fallout from the $499/$599 pricing structure. Well, it appears that that high price of entry is not only turning away potential buyers, but also developers.

Sony has received overwhelming support in the past two generations for its PlayStation consoles from 3rd-party developers, but that support may now be in question. From GameDaily BIZ:

In the PS3's native Japan, the reaction has been less than pleasant, with more than 90 percent of developers in a recent survey stating that the price of the console is just too high. And indeed it seems that this high price is affecting whether or not certain developers decide to develop for the PS3. Sony's PlayStation business has always been backed by incredibly strong third-party support, but now for the first time that could be in jeopardy.

Sony's loss comes to the benefit of its two chief rivals. BusinessWeek reports that developers are taking their business to the Wii and even Xbox 360 (which hasn't been an overwhelming success in Japan in its current or previous form).  Gaming giant Electronic Arts has also been showing favoritism to the less expensive Wii when showcasing upcoming games. BusinessWeek goes on to say:

EA announced six Nintendo Wii launch titles and showed long working demos for two of those. But it offered only a short clip of a car-racing game for PS3. EA says it's still testing the potential of the PS3. "Many developers think the console's initial high price will lead to slow sales and are holding off on creating games for Sony," Hamamura says.

Sony has a lot of work to do this generation to keep its #1 crown. It may have been easy to bowl over the competition with the PlayStation and PlayStation 2, but it looks like the tides are changing. When you have a $200 higher price of entry than your next closest competitor that turns away customers, high licensing costs to offset the cost of development and Blu-ray drive technology that drives up the cost of the console without a 100% guarantee of wide-spread adoption, you know that you’re in for a bumpy ride.

DailyTech previously reported that according to IBM, yields on the Cell processors were extremely poor, and that most Cell processors would ship without all eight cores working. According to IBM, some PlayStation 3 units will have 7-core Cell processors and some with 8-core Cell processors.


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Good
By retrospooty on 7/21/2006 5:03:04 PM , Rating: 5
Sony deserves to get bit.




RE: Good
By mendocinosummit on 7/21/2006 5:18:16 PM , Rating: 5
Yep, with other alternatives Sony can't push techs on us that we don't need and just for their benefit.


RE: Good
By IMPoor on 7/21/2006 7:02:45 PM , Rating: 2
exactly my feelings as well. I like sony but I really think Sony was overestimating themselves when they decided to introduce Blu-ray and the PS3 at the same time. In theory this is cool but financial and technology issues make it non-realistic. I hope they pull it off but I think they will now hold equal shares with microsoft in the console world. The guys at microsoft had their share of problems also but they must be loving all the setbacks for sony as they are alread collecting the rewards of the 360. Good luck Sony. you'll need it.


RE: Good
By ZeeStorm on 7/21/2006 10:26:49 PM , Rating: 1
Why do they continue to post $200 above x360? It's $499, get it right. The $600 one is for larger HD, etc. The $499 is still over-compared to x360. Leave it be. -.-


RE: Good
By dmoore764 on 7/21/2006 10:37:29 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't there a $299 x360? Either way you could say $200 dollar difference. You could also say $100, but then again you could say $300 difference as well.


RE: Good
By TejTrescent on 7/21/2006 10:40:09 PM , Rating: 2
Because really, there is NO point to paying for the 500$ PS3.

You lack HDMI with it--sure, they're supposedly not going to turn on the restriction, but I doubt it.


RE: Good
By JonM on 7/22/2006 1:35:10 AM , Rating: 2
"Because really, there is NO point to paying for the 500$ PS3. "

As there is no point in buying the 300$ 360. Its all relative.


RE: Good
By killerroach on 7/22/2006 8:41:20 AM , Rating: 2
You say there's no point in buying a $500 PS3 because it lacks HDMI, but no 360 at all has HDMI (which could be important with the rumored HD-DVD addon), to say nothing of the studios agreeing not to use ICT until at least 2010.


RE: Good
By PurdueRy on 7/22/2006 5:24:17 PM , Rating: 5
Looks like we need some help with our math today. Let me spell it out for you...

Base XBOX 360 = $299
Premium XBOX 360 = $399

Base PS3 = $499
Premium PS3 = $599

$499 - $299 = $200
$599 - $399 = $200

What part of this is unclear to you?

Secondly, I do believe Microsoft has talked about the ability the 360 has to be able to have a HDMI connection made for it. And you can bet they will once the HD-DVD drive is released.


RE: Good
By MrSmurf on 7/22/06, Rating: 0
RE: Good
By Lord Evermore on 7/22/2006 10:44:22 PM , Rating: 2
As the news post says, it's a 200 dollar difference in "price of entry", the very least amount you can spend on the most basic version of each, regardless of the actual feature comparison.


RE: Good
By MrSmurf on 7/22/2006 9:08:17 PM , Rating: 2
I predict this will have no affect on Sony. By the time the hype dies down and the same people willing to spend $1000 on a $300 360 dies down, the price of Blu-Ray will fall.


RE: Good
By anass on 8/7/06, Rating: 0
high price?
By lwright84 on 7/21/2006 10:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
the PS3 is priced very reasonably.. the RSX by itself costs more than $500. the Blu-Ray capabilities by themselves cost more than $500. the Cell processor by itself costs much more than $500.

the PS3 is a steal at either pricepoint, stop crying.




RE: high price?
By MrDiSante on 7/21/2006 10:58:25 PM , Rating: 2
Buddy, I don't give a damn how much Sony wants to charge for their Blu-ray player. I don't give a damn how much the processor costs, what I DO give a damn about is how much it's gonna cost me to buy the console. I don't have an HDMI compliant TV so I'm not interested in the damn Blu-ray player, I want a relatively cheap console and I don't care how many Blu-ray drives or Cell processors they stuff in there. I wanna see good graphics, good games and a low price. I'm gonna wait until the Wii comes out and then decide whether to buy the 360 or the Wii (also depending on how my wife feels about it - so far by the reaction to the price I'm thinking the Wii).


RE: high price?
By lwright84 on 7/23/2006 11:02:53 AM , Rating: 2
welcome to the minority mrdisante.. not that there's anything wrong with that.


RE: high price?
By Clauzii on 7/23/2006 5:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
And if Your wife want's a PS3??


RE: high price?
By tmp8000 on 7/22/2006 6:59:33 AM , Rating: 3
1. I think those numbers are incredibly high, or do you genuinely think that Sony is losing $1000 per console? I would estimate that Sony is losing $100-$200 at most.

2. Just cause Sony is throwing a ridiculously over-priced and an unproven processor onto a machine doesn't make it in any way worth it.

3. I would bet that you are one of those people who work for Sony and go around on boards trying to make your company look good. We all know it is rather common nowadays. You're either a blind fanboy or you work for them.

This was all coming from someone who was looking forward to the PS3 until the price was announced... Gonna have to wait a year or so before I even consider getting one.


RE: high price?
By Clauzii on 7/23/2006 3:27:23 PM , Rating: 2
How do You know it's unproven?????


RE: high price?
By Jolley Dodger on 7/22/2006 10:46:31 AM , Rating: 3
You wrote:
“ the PS3 is priced very reasonably.. the RSX by itself costs more than $500. the Blu-Ray capabilities by themselves cost more than $500. the Cell processor by itself costs much more than $500. the PS3 is a steal at either pricepoint, stop crying.”

Firstly the RSX is only costing $75 – Nvidia have already discussed this openly - so your claim of $500 is a little rich.

Nvidia have also acknowledged that the performance of RSX is not their best offering, and will become less so as their new PC products get released. I'm not saying RSX is weak – but it is not top shelf.

The real errata is the Cell processor. According to an IBM statement made in the past week, only 40% of processors shipped will be fault free. They are relying on a sufficient number of working SPE's to support full function. Low yields and the probability of returns may cause pricing to be higher than usual in the early days. So yes, Cell probably costs more than it should in a perfect world – but this was Sony's decision and not the consumer so it is not appropriate to pass on higher than warranted costs to the consumer. May I point out the statement made by Steve Jobs at Apple regarding their decision not to use Cell Processor in the Macintosh? Low performance and reliability... He is well educated on the subject so I suspect that he would know.

Bottom line: Cell and Bluray are untested, non-perfected products and the manufacturing process is far from refined either. It is unreasonable to expect the consumer to bare both cost burden and more importantly the prospect of dealing with product faults.

My biggest problem with PS3 is the company supporting it. Sony (with two class actions taken against them regarding faulty drives in PS2 and another class action for the more recent root kit problem) are hardly the sort of company that is friendly to their consumers.


RE: high price?
By MonkeyPaw on 7/22/2006 9:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
Very well put!

Sony is trying to do too much, IMO. They appear to be offering a powerful console, but they are also trying to throw BluRay at the consumer at the same time.

We still don't know the final specs of the console. Initially, Cell was supposed to be running at 3.5ghz with 8 (1 PPC and 7 SPEs) working cores. Now the rumor is 2.8ghz at launch. What no one has talked about yet is if we will see 8 working cores. Maybe it will only have 6 working cores? It's very possible, since games aren't heavily multithreaded yet.


RE: high price?
By Clauzii on 7/23/2006 3:47:04 PM , Rating: 2
Get Your facts straight: Initially AND now: 3.2 GHZ. (Where did U get 3.5 from???)

In the PS3, the CELL will contain 7 SPEs (back then AND now).

What IBM does with their CPUs is one matter - PS3 another.


RE: high price?
By PrinceGaz on 7/23/2006 7:38:42 AM , Rating: 2
Quite right. For what you are getting, the PS3 is probably too cheap.

;)


Minority ?
By ViperROhb34 on 7/25/2006 12:02:58 AM , Rating: 2
It depends on whom you perceive is the minority status.
The few of us making enough money to buy a PS3 will not affect their sales much.. Many average day moms, aunt, uncles that make 50 thousand a year have no need for a PS3 beyond gaming.. they have no HD TV at home .. so there is no advantage for them to enjoy stunning graphics.. its one reason Xbox 360 sales have been moderate - although sucessful.. Sony is in for a big surprise when they realise they are asking the same group that bought a Xbox 360 to buy a PS3 ..

The PS3 could be a 'good deal' if you look at each part of hardware.. the everyday working person that bought a PS2 when it was 200 dollars won't see it that way. Sony has many disadvantages right now 1) Many have no need for High Def gaming or movies because 2) Most still do NOT have high def TV at home. Justifying high def gaming is hard to do in this case. Furthermore.. both PS3 models coming with a hard drive have ZERO appeal over an Xbox 360 core model. Especially now that we know why Sony has bigger hardrives on the unit ( 3rd disadvantage reason here ) - "They want you to download their games so you can't resale them !" Windows Vista ( with built in media center ) will let us store any music.. high def movies on a much bigger PC hardrive and stream it over a home network to the Xbox.. I have Vista Beta 2 and have watched movies from my pc on my widescreen tv.. My PC has a 250 gig hardrive.. which is way more then a console

Nintendo Wii looks to be very sucessful... One year of slow PS3 sales would be another year headstart for Nintendo Wii..and another good year for Xbox 360 .. which soon you'll see the HD-DVD player for.. HD-DVD movies by the way look a tad better then the bluray.. not sure if its format related.. but they do.. I keep hearing about the storage benfits of BLuray.. yet they are having trouble with dual layer yields.. Toshiba has a 100 gig HD-DVD disc on the horizon.. triple layer !


But it'll be worth the wait
By Snuffalufagus on 7/21/2006 5:17:00 PM , Rating: 2
Sooo glad I waited and didn't get an X-Box 360 to enjoy this year.




RE: But it'll be worth the wait
By Lakku on 7/21/2006 5:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
I'm not exactly sure how you get this out of an article bashing the PS3, but hopefully you are being sarcastic!


RE: But it'll be worth the wait
By feelingshorter on 7/21/06, Rating: 0
RE: But it'll be worth the wait
By fenderkb76 on 7/21/2006 6:45:49 PM , Rating: 3
Get it straight, the PS3 will only have 7 of the eight "cores" enabled by design. They did that so that they would have higher usable yields. Remember, there's only one general purpose core and some SPE "cores" for highly specialized code. That said, the yields will still be crap and there is questionable durability of the chips anyway. I'd be afraid to by a PS3 without an extended warranty. Any part of that chip goes and your PS3 is useless.


RE: But it'll be worth the wait
By dome1234 on 7/22/2006 6:52:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only nintendo has made a profit from its console. PS2 and Xbox 360 has both loss $ in their business in the console department.


dude, sony's game division is responsible for more than half of profit/revenue given that its core electronic sector is in the red. If I remember correctly, besides gaming division, the financial (only in japan, life insurances, etc and other crap like Sony cosmetics) and digital camera are in the black. MS gaming division has never pulled a profit but ps2 is losing money???

quote:
Mario cart owns.


ok, NOW i GET it! hahahaha


RE: But it'll be worth the wait
By Xavian on 7/22/2006 8:41:35 AM , Rating: 4
The Wii isn't being targeted for young kids, far from it.

Look up the numerous mature titles coming out for the Wii:

Resident Evil (Exclusive)
Resident Evil 5
Sadness (Exclusive)
NFS: Carbon
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Metroid 3: Corruption
Red Steel (Exclusive)
Disaster: Day of Crisis
and there are many more coming.

btw 'mature gamers' is BS, i personally find that those who love to play GTA-type games are actually LESS mature then people who play something like New Super Mario Bros. (which is the no.1 selling game in the US and Japan right now)

Stop descrediting Nintendo by saying they are targeting kids, they are clearly not and you need to get your head out of the sand.


RE: But it'll be worth the wait
By jimmy43 on 7/23/2006 1:36:11 PM , Rating: 2
Good Post. Many people are so stuck with that thinking they are missing out on alot of fun. Nintendo just wants to make fun games, period. Their target is anyone and everyone who likes to have fun ;)


By Snuffalufagus on 7/22/2006 1:44:04 AM , Rating: 4
Yep, sarcastic all the way. We've been having great fun with the 360 since December.

Too bad the first post got voted down to zero eh!


sony should just drop bluray
By S3anister on 7/21/2006 6:06:41 PM , Rating: 2
i mean really, that has to be one of the more 'expensive' parts of the console right? changing that out for something a bit more practical would be better.(and cheaper)




RE: sony should just drop bluray
By underline21 on 7/21/2006 6:21:00 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i mean really, that has to be one of the more 'expensive' parts of the console right? changing that out for something a bit more practical would be better.(and cheaper)


Well, its a bit late for that type of thinking now isn't it.

Besides, Blu Ray in the PS3 will be their ace in the hole or a gun to the head for Sony. If they don't get this right they might as well sell off the company in chunks to pay off their debt.


RE: sony should just drop bluray
By Clauzii on 7/23/2006 3:34:35 PM , Rating: 2
Since the PS3 will contain BlueRay, since at least 5-10 million people WILL buy a PS3 there is going to be no problem with that BR tingy. Unless You have a PS3 and don't buy any games, which DOES come on BlueRay.

----

Next..


By ViperROhb34 on 7/24/2006 11:57:36 PM , Rating: 2
What about the 12 million Xbox 360 that have already sold and which many of those will go buy HD-DVD player add ons for ? HD-DVD looks better at this point.. maybe because they are using a new format then BLuray which is using an mpeg format..

The PS3 could be a 'good deal' if you look at each part of hardware.. the everyday working mom and dad who bought a PS2 when it was 200 dollars won't see it that way. Many even today have no need for High Def gaming or movies because most still do NOT have high def TV at home. Justifying high def gaming is hard to do in this case.

Furthermore.. both PS3 models coming with a hard drive have ZERO appeal over an Xbox 360 core model. Especially now that we know why Sony has bigger hardrives on the unit - "They want you to download their games so you can't resale them !" Windows Vista ( with built in media center ) will let us store any music.. high def movies on a much bigger PC hardrive and stream it over a home network to the Xbox.. I have Vista Beta 2 and have watched movies from my pc on my widescreen tv.. My PC has a 250 gig hardrive.. which is way more then a console

Many of us who 'barely' bought a Xbox 360 because of its price aren't too interested in a PS3 in the near future. I know many collegues in the medical profession who have the money who simply will not spend it.. thy are too busy saving money for dream homes and vacations and retirement then to spend it on a 600 gaming machine.. Nintendo Wii looks to be very sucessful... One year of slow PS3 sales would be another year headstart for Nintendo Wii..and another good year for Xbox 360 .. which soon you'll see the HD-DVD player for.. HD-DVD movies by the way look a tad better then the bluray.. not sure if its format related.. but they do.. I keep hearing about the storage benfits of BLuray.. yet they are having trouble with dual layer yields.. Toshiba has a 100 gig HD-DVD disc on the horizon.. triple layer !


No games on bluray
By ViperROhb34 on 7/25/2006 12:04:36 AM , Rating: 3
By the way you retard.. its been said many times that Sony has no immediate plans to put games on bluray..


RE: sony should just drop bluray
By Teletran1 on 7/21/2006 6:58:40 PM , Rating: 2
The cost of the drive mechanism shouldnt be that high. I never believe this to be that expensive. Sure they are charging out the butt for blu-ray burners and stand alone players. These stand alone players have a bunch of ram and processors in them. Things that already exist in the PS3 for the purpose of playing games. The only thing that would really change from dropping Blu-Ray is the drive. It cant possibly be that expensive.


By epsilonparadox on 7/21/2006 7:22:19 PM , Rating: 3
According to one cost breakdown, the bd drive is ~$300 for sony because there's no licensing charges attached to it.


Should have more price tiers.
By jon1003 on 7/21/2006 5:11:40 PM , Rating: 4
Maybe they should have released a cheaper version for the masses that can't see or afford paying entry for blu-ray technology. The millions that don't and aren't planning on getting a hi-def TV soon because they can't afford it. Ship a cheaper version with a dvd drive instead. There will be games released on bluray and cheaper ones on DVD, and some on both.

They alienated a big market segment that just can't come up with that much money, and see the 360 or wii as perfectly acceptable alternatives.




RE: Should have more price tiers.
By FITCamaro on 7/22/2006 11:32:19 AM , Rating: 2
They can't do that. The games are going to use Blu-ray discs. So regardless of being able to play Blu-ray movies, the drive has to be there which is the expensive part.

I'm glad Sony is getting bit in the ass. Their attitude for a long time has been that they're better than everyone else. And during that time the quality of their products has gone down tremendously. Now their stuff is only as good or worse than everyone elses (as its often the same product with just their name and case around it).

I'll probably get a PS3 eventually. But it'll be after the 65nm switch and after the price goes down. $500 for a console is ridiculous. It doesn't always pay to be on the bleeding edge. Over 8 gigs of data for a standard DVD should be more than enough to fit a game on. PC games do it just fine with plenty of high resolution textures. And with the base system having a hard drive, they can copy data from the disc to swap space on the hard drive for every game.

They just decided it was better to one up Microsoft than put out a console that everyone could afford. Maybe in Japan they don't care what it costs. But in the US even with how whipped parents are to giving their kids everything they want regardless of whether they can afford it, I think Sony is going to find far fewer takers when said parents can just get their kid an Xbox360 or Revolution (I don't call it the Wii) for up to $250 less. $100 less at the minimum.

Most people don't give a damn about HDMI, 1080p, or Blu-ray. Very few TVs today have 1080p capability and right now theres like 6 Blu-ray movies and they cost double what the DVD version does.


RE: Should have more price tiers.
By Garreye on 7/23/2006 10:51:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
(I don't call it the Wii)

lmao....I was like that when they first announced the name too, but I can't believe you're sticking too it...


Nintendo
By AppaYipYip on 7/21/2006 6:38:43 PM , Rating: 5
Nintendo will rule them all.

Better gameplay will always win over fancy graphics.




RE: Nintendo
By Xeronix on 7/21/2006 7:14:32 PM , Rating: 3
OMG, SOny sucks ballz,
Sonys is teh Gayz0rs.
W00t, w00t
PS3 Must die, and all people who buy sony.


RE: Nintendo
By stmok on 7/22/06, Rating: 0
im going with Wii
By desiplaya4life on 7/22/2006 12:46:51 AM , Rating: 4
one more reason im not getting sony.. well im not going to purchase sony at all. period.

sony has just been full of SHIT this year. mainly because of their foolish pride they have in themselves.


Wii is the best console to come out i think next to 360. heck i wouldnt mind purchasing a 360 either now taht i look at poor ps3 support.

i can more than bet you that ps3 will be a flop just like dreamcast became.




RE: im going with Wii
By Clauzii on 7/23/2006 5:25:06 PM , Rating: 2
We will all die ;)


RE: im going with Wii
By Clauzii on 7/23/2006 5:25:37 PM , Rating: 1
...to the post below...


Blu ray drives is turning me off PS3
By Jolley Dodger on 7/22/2006 10:12:58 AM , Rating: 3
Chance of faulty bluray drives are turning me off PS3.

Sony has not got a good record with their drives in PSX & PS2 and unlike CD & DVD, the bluray drive is overly complex, has more sensitive media and has not had any testing in the field.

If they stuff this up, it will be a very expensive mistake for everyone and I'm not willing to blow my cash on this. Sorry Sony, I'll pass this time sad to say, a limited 12 month warranty and the word of Sony isn't worth that much these days.

On the other hand Crysis, Unreal Tournament 2007 and Spore makes the PC the top end graphics machine too have and the Wii just looks to good to pass up so I'll go with these.




RE: Blu ray drives is turning me off PS3
By PrinceGaz on 7/23/2006 7:52:59 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think the BluRay drive will be a problem so long as it doesn't get used too much, in other words just use it for playing games where it only gets accessed occasionally (mainly for FMV clips). I wouldn't rely on it lasting very long if you regularly watch movies with it though; you should buy a proper HD-DVD or BluRay player if you want to do that.

I'd be more concerned about the Cell processor and the reports that it is a little unreliable. If it can be problematic under normal conditions, what do you think it will be like in the confines of a game console where cooling is usually rather poor and the console itself is often placed in less than ideal locations.


By bfonnes on 7/24/2006 1:02:32 AM , Rating: 2
your argument sounds kinda silly, sure, if you threw your dvd player against the wall, it might not be able to play as many movies either... but, it is still an optical drive, which is proven technology, and the motor in a blue ray player should last just as long as in a dvd player...


By aos007 on 7/21/2006 6:06:27 PM , Rating: 4
I don't think developers are concerned about the price of the console per se. A business expense of extra few hundred is not a prohibitive factor.

However, from what I heard from a friend working at EA, price of PS3 development kit - which is what you need to develop and release games - is far, far higher than Wii. The factor was 40:1! I'm not sure how accurate is his info, but it appears that even a really small developer could afford a Wii kit, leading to many more games being available. Perhaps a flood of simple, mostly crappy games, but you never know. But the cost of a dev kit in the range of many tens of thousands of dollars (PS3) would not be cool even with bigger companies.

Of course, developers can also figure out their business model and conclude there's no money to be made for PS3 (high price = low customer base). It could also be a combination of factors. One thing is for sure, every gamer I know of plans on buying a Wii.




By ajdavis on 7/23/2006 1:10:42 AM , Rating: 2
So you're saying that the Wii kit is extremely cheap and then trying to say that a 40:1 difference in price is breaking the bank? I don't buy that for a minute.


IGN!
By Clauzii on 7/23/06, Rating: 0
RE: IGN!
By MrPieGuy on 7/23/2006 11:14:43 PM , Rating: 2
The 360 looks like a pad PC from 83? so what will those "old PS2 games" look like? The 360 looks beautiful HD or otherwise, and when you get down to it it's gameplay anyway.


RE: IGN!
By Clauzii on 7/24/2006 5:54:05 AM , Rating: 2
The design with the beige '80ish color. The graphics are ok...


Graphics are ok reply..
By ViperROhb34 on 7/25/2006 12:16:13 AM , Rating: 2

The Xbox 360's games are just now getting to be next gen because developers have to learn how to program new consoles as anyone knows in order to make better games..

To say the graphics are ok makes one sound like a fanboy who neither owns one, has many game or has seen the games on an HD TV. I saw the PS3 demos and only ONE looked as good as current Xbox next gen games.. and that game may not even be ready at PS3's lauch..

In fact most who think the games are ok.. will be the same sorry asses who buy a PS3 and play it on a regular tv and wonder why the detail isn't much better then PS2 ..

John Carmack has already said Next Gen games on PS3 will be slow coming out.. maybe taking years to see.. because the PS3 is so hard to develop for.

If you think games don't look good on Xbox360 ( and its only NOW a year after Xbox 360 launch ) and in these next few months devs are just relasing their next generation high def games for Xbox360 ( Gears of War any time, Halo 3 in early 2007 ).. You'll be disappointed when reality sets in and next gen games for PS3 are even slower coming out.


EA
By Alphafox78 on 7/21/2006 6:32:33 PM , Rating: 2
Not having EA on the PS3 is more of a benefit for sony than a loss

;)




RE: EA
By m666guy on 7/21/2006 7:01:30 PM , Rating: 3
not really. Loosing Ea would hurt them alot. EA is a very strong force in the gaming market. While i disaprove of alot of thier products. I ABSOLUTELY love anything that Will Wright makes with maybe the exception of the sims and sims2 (kinda funny because that is probably the best selling games he has made.)......AHHH SPORE \DROOL


Sony should learn from Sega
By knightoftears on 7/22/2006 1:13:20 AM , Rating: 2
Sony's agenda is very self-destructive. I don't see how they think they will make any money, let alone compete with other systems. I won't drag this out any further because nobody here is an idiot, but I believe Sony should go talk to Sega.




RE: Sony should learn from Sega
By PrinceGaz on 7/23/2006 7:40:49 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
because nobody here is an idiot


You're obviously not very familiar with the comments section here ;)


Predicable...
By Trisped on 7/21/2006 5:12:36 PM , Rating: 2
It will take a month or two after release to see if Sony realizes their mistakes and tries to fix them. Too bad, I was almost hoping someone would start competing with Xbox Live so I could actually get something of value out of the $50 a year.




RE: Predicable...
By redbone75 on 7/21/2006 6:23:31 PM , Rating: 2
I doubt Sony will learn anything from any mistake they make until it is too late to make a difference for them. The smart thing to do would have been to release the "cheaper" version of the PS3 with a dvd drive while the premium version keeps Blu-Ray, like someone else here said, but it would seem common sense just isn't quite common enough at Sony. Look at how they responded to the whole PSP movie mess.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3291

They are charging a super premium just to have a movie on a memory card. Not exactly good business sense.


RE: Predicable...
By Clauzii on 7/23/06, Rating: 0
this can't be unexpected...
By One43637 on 7/21/2006 5:12:47 PM , Rating: 2
hopefully they'll lower the price point to be more attractive to the masses.




RE: this can't be unexpected...
By Xavian on 7/22/2006 8:33:05 AM , Rating: 2
looking at the poor Cell yeilds and the sheer price of the components (both production and r&d), i seriously doubt the PS3 is going to drop in price for a long long time. When you have a system that is losing $300 on every sale you just cant afford to make further price cuts for a long while into your products life cycle.


Sony needs to study the market a little better
By Mels on 7/22/2006 1:34:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think Sony believes that the newest and best technology coupled with the fastest hardware, will sell more systems.

I my opinion - good games and fair prices sell systems.

Take a look at the new DS Lite, Nintendo is selling incredible amounts for a relatively low intial roll-out price; compared with the PSP which sold at almost 2x that amount at release. The PSP has, on paper more power - yet I think in about 2 years we will see the PSP meet the same fate as the Sega GameGear.

Sony needs to learn, it doesn't need to be fastest and advanced; it needs to be fun to play, have good game support and most importantly, priced competitively to the majority of the public.




By Clauzii on 7/23/2006 5:10:16 PM , Rating: 2
The PSP is very rugged :) Not "plastic feeling" here.


I'd do the same as a game maker
By jmn2519 on 7/21/2006 5:16:46 PM , Rating: 3
If i were a game maker I would target the Wii as well. Why you ask? Because it is the least expensive console out there. That's going to free up consumer dollars to buy more games. Hopefully my games.




Unlucky
By lemonadesoda on 7/21/2006 7:28:36 PM , Rating: 2
$ony Play$tation. nuff said. LO

On a more serious point... we all need innovation. And I'm sorry to see SONY, or any other company for that matter, having such a tough time with their new technology.

What's quite ironic, is that in a world of increasing DRM and proprietaty formats, the companies trying to make them even more complex, are now beginning to lose money on these things not working (or being legislated against).




they could
By nerdboy on 7/21/2006 11:52:16 PM , Rating: 2
Blu-Ray is not support enough yet for me to want to have a player for it. I say they make it an external player so you have the option to buy it and make the damn thing 200 or 300 dollars cheaper.




It sure looks bad
By Scrogneugneu on 7/22/2006 12:53:49 AM , Rating: 2
Considering Sony and Microsoft developped the habit of making money off games sold rather than consoles (and in fact lose money with the console sales), having less developpers working for your console is a very bad news indeed.


So if Sony reaches it's goal with the PS3 sales, they'll lose a huge amount of money. They can only make that money back if enough games sell too. And everyday, it seems more and more like it's gonna be a hard time to get that investment back for Sony...


BottomLine : Yay, Sony will die.




they all will bow
By ElJefe69 on 7/24/06, Rating: -1
RE: they all will bow
By rrsurfer1 on 7/24/2006 3:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry. Despite your fanboyish optimism, $600 IS too much. I'll be getting a Wii. Maybe someday, if and/or when the price comes down maybe I'll consider a PS3.

Nintendo knows what they are doing. The Nintendo DS Lite is an awesome little handheld unit and the touch screen is innovative as hell. It's more fun to play than any handheld, and most other games, even PC and console games. The Wii seems to be following Nintendo's market plan of innovation, not graphics and high price. I can't wait for it.


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