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Late delivery of mobile parts cost AMD

As a perpetual underdog, Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. (AMD) has little wiggle room for lapses in execution.  Unfortunately that's just what happened to the chipmaker in Q4 2013, according to a new report from Jon Peddie Research (JPR).
 
I. Where Are the Mobile GPUs, AMD?
 
Even as AMD hungrily eyed future ARM-based server chips, it stumbled in the system-on-a-chip mobile graphics market.  According to JPR, the quarter's overall sales trends (quarter-on-quarter) were:
AMD ::::::::::::::::::::::: -10.4 %
NVIDIA Corp. (NVDA) :::  +3.4 %
Intel Corp. (INTC) :::::::  +5.1 %
 
The slump in AMD GPU sales came thanks to delivering to slowly for OEMs on the parts front.  Comments Jon Peddie:

AMD's shipments of desktop APUs (heterogeneous GPU/CPUs) jumped 15% from the previous quarter but declined 26.7% in notebooks. AMD's discrete desktop shipments increased 1.8%, and notebook discrete shipments declined 6.7%. The company's overall PC graphics shipments decreased 10.4%. Notebook build cycles are specific, and AMD was late with its new parts.

On the desktop front, AMD appeared to be on fire.  It launched its new 28 nm "Volcanic Islands" GPUs (soft launch: September 2013; shipments: October 2013), branded as the Radeon Rx 200 Series.  The new chips featured an upgraded architecture, Graphics Core Next 1.1 (GCN 1.1), which refined the original GCN architecture introduced with the Radeon 7000 series.  The new version of GCN offered some intriguing possibilities, such as using your GPU for advanced audio processing.  Desktop buyers clearly were hooked.
AMD Asus
Desktop buyers coveted AMD's Rx 200 Series cards, such as the R9 280X card pictured here. [Image Source: AnandTech]

AMD currently only has launched the 28 nm mid-to-high end components of the Rx200 Series lineup on the mid-to-high end.  The lineup is led by the flagship R9-branded GPUs, which include Hawaii, Tahiti, and Curacao chips.  In the middle are the R7-branded GPUs, which include Pitcairn, Bonaire, Oland, and -- most recently Cape Verde (launched earlier this month).  Noticeably missing are the R5 GPUs -- budget chips.  Other than Oland (the priciest R5), the other R5 are supposed to be built a 40 nm process.  The missing chips go by the codenames Caicos and Cedar.
 
AMD Volcanic Islands

Also confusing is what happened to Iceland and Maui, two other codenames that popped up on hardware benchmarking sites, stoking rumors.  While there's no concrete evidence, some have suggested that these high end chips are 20 nm R9 chips which AMD had hoped to launch by now, but were scrapped amid struggles with die shrinks at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Comp., Ltd. (TPE:2330).  Yet another missing desktop chip is the Tonga.

Aside from the missing R5 stock, AMD's laptop Rx 200 Series chips are also notably absent.  These chips were rumored to codenamed Crystal.  The higher end models would be dubbed Topaz, and would be the sister chip to Iceland.  The mid-range models would be dubbed Amethyst and would be cut down versions of Tonga.  But like their desktop brethren, there's no indication of when or if AMD is launching these chips.
Topaz and amethyst
The Topaz and Amethyst mobile GPUs were rumored to land in 2013, but have yet to launch.
[Image Source: Jewelry News Network]

Of course it's worth stating that some of these GPUs were likely renamed or rolled into other lines (e.g. perhaps Maui became one of the two Hawaii chips?).  But complete lack of new laptop product and the absence of the already announced R5 chips suggest that AMD is struggling to scale its new designs to the budget and mobile markets.
 
Last fall rumors were beginning to focus on the successor to Volcanic Islands -- Pirate Islands.  Now the rumor mill is asking -- where did all the supposed Volcanic Island chips go?
 
II. New APU Stock Also Struggles to Find Its Way to the Market
 
On the accelerated processing unit" (APU) front AMD suffered from slow execution, as well, although its plans are at least clearer.  AMD has already announced its intention to launch new A4, A6, and A10 APUs for laptops and desktops in H2 2014. 
 
AMD's upcoming APU line is anchored by the fourth-generation, 28 nm Kaveri (A10) APU, a capable design based on AMD's new Steamroller architectureSteamroller packs 3 more ALUs per core and other improvements to improve on both parallelism and single core performance.  The on-chip GPU also receives a nice bump; it features 512 GCN 1.1 SIMD cores (stream processors) packaged into 8 compute units (CUs), marking the first time AMD's APUs will have fully caught up with their discrete brethren in core design.

Kaveri v. Richland Steamroller Die
A Kaveri chip (far left) aside a unpackaged Richland chip (middle); a Steamroller core is on the right. [Image Source: Overclock.net (left); AMD via ExtremeTech (right)]

On the lighter-weight more mobile-centric side of things are Beema (A6/A4) and Mullins (A4), which pack the brand new Puma core design.  Puma replaces the Jaguar cores found in AMD's Temash and Kabini platforms -- the chips that comprise AMD's current E1/2 branded lineup, as well as much the A4/A6 branded lineup.  The upcoming chips are also expected to pack a ARM Cortex-M5 processor licensed from ARM Holdings Plc (LON:ARM).
 
That all sounds great -- the problem is that the cores aren't here yet and it's unclear when they will be.  And OEMs aren't willing to wait around.
 
III. Intel Gets Aggressive on the Embedded Graphics Front
 
When it comes to integrated GPUs, Intel was an early starter, but arguably a late bloomer.  Way back in 1999, Intel was offering integrated graphics chipsets with the Intel i810.  AMD wouldn't offer its first integrated graphics chipset until Feb. 2007.
 
Likewise, when it came to the eventual exit of the integrated GPU from the chipset and migration to the system-on-a-chip package, Intel led the way.  Its 2010 Clarkdale chip packed a 45 nm GPU die packaged along side 32 nm Westmere cores.  It followed in Jan. 2011 with Sandy Bridge, which brought the first mass-market personal computer chip with a GPU and CPU printed together on a unified die.
 
But those accomplishments were largely underappreciated in light of what AMD was doing at the time.  After teasing at Fusion (APUs) in 2007, the on-chip graphics from AMD became official in August 2010.  At the time AMD was firing on all cylinders, having just passed NVIDIA in July 2010 to seize the lead in the discrete graphics market.
 
And AMD delivered on the APU hype in Jan. 2011, launching Brazos, which was joined by the desktop-centric Llano in May 2011.  While admitted weak in CPU performance, the first-generation Fusion chips were crucial to convincing buyers that an integrated graphics chip could deliver a decent experience and even low-end gaming.  It blew away Intel's competitive GPU offerings at the time and was relatively competitive on the power front.

AMD Fusion

Now the tables have turned.  With its latest Haswell chips, Intel at last has on-die GPU (dGPU) cores that are drawing begrudging nods from enthusiasts.  While still trailing discrete GPUs in performance, Intel's new chips saw a massive performance boost with the new "Iris" branded cores, which pack a "Crystalwell" -- a unified block of memory shared by the CPU and GPU.

The JPR study reveals something rather interesting.  In Q4 99 percent of Intel's non-server chips featured built in GPUs, yet for all its hype AMD only had GPUs onboard 67 percent of its CPU chips -- roughly a third of AMD's shipped CPUs had no onboard GPU.  AMD is still using integrated graphics chipsets (IGPs) on the low end.
Iris Pro graphics
With Iris Pro, Intel stole the GPU crown from NVIDIA. [Image Source: PC Gamer]

While initial Iris products were relatively scarce, supply has started to open up with both Apple, Inc. (AAPL) and Taiwan's ASUSTek Computer Inc. (TPE:2357) push their Iris equipped products out to consumers. 

iMac EvolutionApple's new "evolved" iMac features Iris Pro inside its Intel Haswell brains.

Some would call this a recovery for Intel, but arguably it's more a case of a pioneer finally getting credit where credit is due.

III. NVIDIA Piles on

AMD meanwhile is on the defensive.

Its headaches are constrained solely to Intel.  It also has to worry about a rejuvenated NVIDIA.  NVIDIA has focused heavily on the mobile space with its Tegra cores.  While Tegra has ultimately failed to achieve NVIDIA's most ambitious mobile market adoption hopes, it's been a steady seller.

And while AMD's mobile GPUs were MIA on the mobile front, NVIDIA's mobile lineup was keeping pace with its desktop offerings.  Last April and May it diligently released a broad range of GeForce 700M chips.  AMD did release the Radeon HD 8000M series last January and would go on to score some design wins.  But as the year dragged on and NVIDIA fired back with GeForce 700M Series, AMD had no answer.

NVIDIA Tegra K1


NVIDIA was able to grow its desktop shipments as well, by a modest 0.9 percent, but when you added in the mobile Tegra chips, it reached 3.4 percent growth in Q4 for tablets+laptops+desktops.

Looking ahead NVIDIA is prepping for a huge launch with the announcement of Maxwell earlier this week.  NVIDIA is claiming doubled performance per watt, thanks to major changes to its control architecture.  Maxwell-sporting product will ship later this month, including the GeForce GTX 750 and GeForce 750 GTX 750 Ti mid-end cards.

Maxwell control logic

Last year NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel shipped 446 million GPUs (including dGPUs and IGPs). JPR expects the PC graphics market to overhaul dipped to 422 million units by 2017, as tablets displace some PC sales.  JPR also reveals that today roughly a third of PCs shipped have a discrete GPU, while two-thirds rely on on-die or integrated graphics.
 
Q4's PC GPU sales saw a 1.4 percent rise over Q3 2013, but were down 8.5 percent from Q4 2013, yet another sign of the PC's sales struggles.

Source: Jon Peddie Research [email]



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RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By EasyC on 2/20/2014 11:56:38 AM , Rating: 2
Their GFx cards are top notch as well, and come with infinitely better drivers than nVidia.

The only line of their business that seems to be the issue is workstation CPUs. Every time I hear of a new AMD CPU release, I get excited, then I see the benchmarks and sigh. Another 5-15% iteration for Intel, since they have no competition in that area.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By ipay on 2/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By EasyC on 2/20/2014 12:48:08 PM , Rating: 5
Oh, I'm sorry, I was unaware the majority of gaming was done in Linux or on SteamOS.

My bad....

nVidia has better Linux drivers, I'll give you that. Now ask how many people care about it. This is coming from someone who actually runs Linux, too.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By ipay on 2/20/14, Rating: -1
RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By inighthawki on 2/20/2014 7:04:36 PM , Rating: 2
Have you considered using sentences?


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Ristogod on 2/20/2014 7:58:11 PM , Rating: 5
linux requires no sentences


By EasyC on 2/21/2014 10:40:47 AM , Rating: 3
6, this made me LOL in the middle of a quiet office. Good job.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By KOOLTIME on 2/22/2014 10:41:27 AM , Rating: 2
it requires only a word.

opensource = bad business model

go ahead pay a team of software developers to write linux code then tell them no pay check because its open source so we have to give it away free.


By fteoath64 on 2/22/2014 10:15:15 PM , Rating: 2
You are totally mistaken about Open Source software contributions. If you look at the top Ten contributors to Linux each year, you will see that they are they are big companies like Intel, RedHat, IBM, Oracle Samsung and Google that PAY their developers to do Open Source development. It is great for the developers because their name gets into the contribution list unlike company development where names are locked in private document folders. never to be revealed!.

I find it amazing that Google contributes just 2.4% of code yearly to Linux and uses almost ALL their Linux servers to generate ALL their revenues using Open Source!. Yes, Google develops MOST of their code in CLOSED SOURCE format like many companies out there. This is appalling behaviour from Google that few people realise!.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By xti on 2/21/2014 10:55:41 AM , Rating: 2
people have been saying this nonsense for 10+ years now.

gaming on linux is a niche. just accept it.


By BifurcatedBoat on 2/24/2014 6:46:51 PM , Rating: 1
But that was before MS decided to give up on the desktop PC.


By xti on 2/26/2014 11:39:45 AM , Rating: 2
more people are posting on DT via smoke signals and carrier pigeons than linux boxes.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By KCjoker on 2/20/14, Rating: 0
By StevoLincolnite on 2/20/2014 6:38:37 PM , Rating: 4
I haven't actually had an AMD or nVidia driver issue since the Radeon 8500/Geforce 4 days. (I skipped Vista, hence I didn't partake in the nVidia drivers issues for the OS.)

Both companies however have driver sets that are gold plated in comparison to Intel.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Bateluer on 2/21/2014 1:34:18 AM , Rating: 2
Heh, as I recall, it was Nvidia that cemented Windows Vista's reputation as unstable while AMD's drivers worked flawlessly through Vista, 7, and 8's life cycles.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By MadCold on 2/23/2014 5:38:53 PM , Rating: 1
You better take a long time and recall a little bit better. You mixed up AMD with Nvidia.


By BRB29 on 2/24/2014 9:35:45 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe you need to check the facts. Most of the crashes were from NVDA drivers. However, there were more NVDA machines than AMD. Interpret it how you will. Vista was just crap.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By darkhawk1980 on 2/20/2014 1:11:10 PM , Rating: 1
I'd disagree whole-heartedly on the drivers front, especially in Windows.

Catalyst drivers have been a joke for a long time. Many times upgrading to a newer driver would break games, even games that had been supported for a long time.

The only thing that AMD has going for them is the 'bit-mining' scene, where their R9's do much better than anything NVidia has. Outside of that though, I'd still take NVidia any day. Atleast the drivers work when they need to. Can't say the same for the past AMD cards I had.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By ipay on 2/20/2014 1:29:37 PM , Rating: 2
even in Mining AMD are far outclassed by miles with the comparable Mining hardware out now, Klondike 64 etc....sooner rather than later it will be far more viable to switch to these custom hardware

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_compari...


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Cheesew1z69 on 2/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By ipay on 2/20/2014 3:13:55 PM , Rating: 1
yeah no shit, "right now", did you miss the 'sooner rather than later it will be far more viable to switch to these custom hardware' there's a reason i said "mining" and not a pacific version.

manic Mining is serious business now with the 3rd party HW vendors Global Foundries etc will even make customize your prefered mining Soc


By Cheesew1z69 on 2/20/2014 3:41:33 PM , Rating: 1
And yet again, the ONLY coin that those work for is BTC, so no one can switch to other hardware outside of GPU for mining anything but the BTC right now. Those BTC boxes will NOT work for anything BUT BTC. And the boxes to mine other coins, they aren't available yet and may not be for quite sometime.

Do you even MINE BRO? I highly doubt it.


By Nagorak on 2/20/2014 11:16:41 PM , Rating: 2
Within a year or two no one is going to be "mining" at all. The flood of people mining Bitcoins is quickly going to make it unprofitable to do so, even at Bitcoins currently inflated price.

When Bitcoin drops back toward zero where its true value lies, that will only accelerate the trend.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By callmesissi on 2/20/2014 4:14:06 PM , Rating: 3
As an owner of an nvidia gtx 650. so far nvidia drivers have been a PAIN in the rear.

never i've seen such low quality drivers from Nvidia.

From the extremely bad bug of if you turn AERO off your games will see some terrible glitches / cutted lines/ imposossible to play to the if you activate AERO having windows 7 in mid-game to change to aero off to improve performance.

World of worldcraft FPS are now worse in nvidia than in my friends 7750 amd..

Choppy video playing.

Upgrading to newer drivers causes even more poblems, las drivers made my AERO to turn off and impossible to turn on (GOD!!) hours searching for a solution.... system restore. etc.

dont believe me? do a /google seach.

NVIDIA driver superority is WAY WAY over.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By bug77 on 2/21/2014 5:09:43 AM , Rating: 2
You must be terribly unskilled at installing drivers. I have a 660Ti which has seen all the drivers from nvidia since its initial release and never had a single problem (typing right from from KDE, lots of effects enabled).
And WoW FPS? What are you getting, only half a bazillion these days? Sheesh...

And btw, you don't _need_ to turn Aero off in the middle of a gaming session, that only shows you didn't do your homework. Windows disables Aero for you, when in full-screen 3D.

sissi...


By BRB29 on 2/24/2014 9:44:02 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
ou don't _need_ to turn Aero off in the middle of a gaming session, that only shows you didn't do your homework. Windows disables Aero for you, when in full-screen 3D.


Regardless, NVDA drivers shouldn't mess up even if he turned off something that was already off.

quote:
I have a 660Ti which has seen all the drivers from nvidia since its initial release and never had a single problem

Of course you don't but you're probably in denial. You are probably more savvy with computer and can fix problems. Just because you don't currently have problems doesn't mean one didn't exist. I don't even know how you can NVDA doesn't have problems when they admit to current known problems, fixed problems, etc... on their driver notes.

Don't be a fanboy. Get your money's worth. AFAIK, both AMD and NVDA made good drivers for many years. NVDA used to have a slight edge in more new titles due to their TWIWMTBP program.


By majorpain on 2/21/2014 3:44:38 PM , Rating: 2
Been using Radeon cards for the last 12 years, never had any issue with Xp, Win 7 nor Linux. Sure i skipped Vista. I still play GOG, like the first MOHAA, COD, age of empires, whatever. Running a HD7970 smoothly as ever, never had any driver related issue. Than again, i can't say nothing about nvidias drivers as i don't use it except in my jobs linux box and i couldn't choose the card.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/20/14, Rating: 0
RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Bateluer on 2/21/2014 1:38:08 AM , Rating: 2
"LMAO!!! You must not have owned many AMD/ATI video cards."

I've owned every iteration of Radeon since the X1900XT; the HD2900 Pro, a 3850, a 4870, a 5670, a 6950, a 7950, and my current 290X. Ih ad a 9600 Pro before the X1900XT for a while too, then detoured with some Nvidia cards for a while. AMD Drivers have always been stable and highly refined.

This is a stereotype that dates back to the ATI Rage 128 days where ATI really did have subpar drivers. They've pretty much had best in class drivers since reorging under the Catalyst name around the launch of the 9700 Pro. Makes you wonder if people are just parroting the same thing over and over or if Nvidia is paying people off to repeat the same thing over and over.


By Imaginer on 2/21/2014 5:35:39 AM , Rating: 2
I can attest to this with the ATi All in Wonder, running on a Rage chipset. Not the best, but workable... As in, not many games can be had very well, but at least I had the TV and video capture options (Not like I needed it now).

Since I had the X1950 Pro, I had not much problems with games crashing outright. If anything now, my problem stems from XFX's fans dying on one of my HD7970s, the other, may need a reseat of the heatsink, since I can stress it to the point of crashing. And it is a shame XFX has not the lifetime warranty that I THOUGH I had with these cards...

And I owned a HD5850, HD6950, and two HD7970s. Each one with no driver problems.


By bug77 on 2/21/2014 6:06:44 AM , Rating: 2
You're forgetting the move to CCC and what a "Vista" that was for ATI. Granted, it's not the video driver itself, but still... Plus, as Linux can attest, their OpenGL performance still sucks. Their saving grace is that most of the Windows stiff has moved to Direct3D instead.
They have also sucked for years at Crossfire performance/stuttering. They've taken steps to catch up with Nvidia since the last year or so, but they're not there yet.
Where AMD seems to be better than Nvidia is video (as in movies) quality. But idk if that's because of the drivers or hardware.
Oh and let's not forget that it's almost March and their latest driver is still 14.1 beta.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/21/2014 7:26:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
AMD Drivers have always been stable and highly refined.


That's a flat out lie. The word on the street has always been AMD has bad drivers and poor software. And I can attest to that. CCC is just horrible.

Hell they STILL haven't fixed their Crossfire issue. People buying two video cards are getting the performance of one and suffering through bad stuttering! And that patch to "fix" this is now causing a memory leak, lol brilliant!


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By bug77 on 2/21/2014 7:49:19 AM , Rating: 2
Let's keep things honest here. Am a fan of nvidia, but CCC is not the same as the driver and Crossfire affects maybe 2% of the users. Neither is a sign of technical prowess; gwiw, nvidia's control panel is still slow to launch ever since they moved it to .net, but at least nvidia got the SLI part right for ages. Just don't be surprised if AMD fans will reply with "hey, it works for me" - because for many, it does.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/21/2014 9:18:08 AM , Rating: 2
Look we don't need to get into a whole big thing about this. AMD/ATI has a reputation for bad drivers, and obviously this stigma began for some reason and has persisted over the years. Is ALL of it true? Probably not. But where there is smoke, there is fire.

Plus thanks to Bitcoin mining, their good video cards are all priced entirely out of the realm of reality. Seriously go look, it's ridiculous!

So you pay more and get bad drivers...meh.


By bug77 on 2/21/2014 10:07:19 AM , Rating: 2
I don't pay more. Because they don't work well on Linux ;-)


By BRB29 on 2/21/2014 11:14:50 AM , Rating: 2
"Look we don't need to get into a whole big thing about this. AMD/ATI has a reputation for bad drivers"

Yea...10 years ago.

"Plus thanks to Bitcoin mining, their good video cards are all priced entirely out of the realm of reality"

You mean the high end models R290X, R290, 79xx and up. Prices for mid range and low end cards are the same, where the bulk of their sales are.

AMD's bad timing, marketing and supply issues are killing them like usual. Nothing new here. But considering how well they executed the console chip supply, I am going to say they concentrated on their highest priority first.

There is no doubt AMD will take back marketshare and probably more in a couple quarters.


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Bateluer on 2/21/2014 11:21:00 AM , Rating: 2
Its a stigma that, as I already said, comes from the Rage 128 days and Nvidia fanboys simply parroting false information over the years. How many posts do you see on forums with 'I heard AMD has bad drivers?' without a single source, as yourself are doing? I'm going to bet that its probably around 99%.

CCC is slow, but its also functional and stable. And Crossfire stuttering has been fixed in the Hawaii based parts, it was a technical challenge in the older GCN skus because of the Crossfire bridge. In Hawaii, they're using the PCIe bus directly.

The Crypto bubble has vastly inflated the prices of Radeon cards, most definitely. 290Xs with an MSRPs of 549 are hitting 900 dollars, and still selling out. Taking the crypto inflation out of the equation for a moment, that 550 dollar 290X requires a 700 dollar Nvidia card to consistently beat it, and will still pull around at 4K resolutions. I've no predictions on how long the cryptobubble will last though. Hopefully scrypt ready ASICS drop before the 20nm Maxwell/Hawaii GPUs appear.


By bug77 on 2/21/2014 11:56:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Crossfire stuttering has been fixed in the Hawaii based parts, it was a technical challenge in the older GCN skus because of the Crossfire bridge. In Hawaii, they're using the PCIe bus directly.


That wasn't the case, last I checked: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/01/amd_cata...

quote:
AMD is releasing this technology in phases. The driver today, Catalyst 13.8 Beta is Phase 1. In Phase 1 Frame Pacing only works at resolutions up to 2560x1600 on a single display. That's right, Frame Pacing will not work on CrossFire in Eyefinity resolutions in Phase 1. In Phase 1 only games that are DX10 and DX11 are supported, no DX9 games will work with Frame Pacing in Phase 1. Phase 2 of the driver will come later this month. In Phase 2 CrossFire in Eyefinity resolutions will be supported. There will also be support for DX9 and OGL games in Phase 2. So if you game in Eyefinity, or across multiple displays, or higher resolutions than 2560x1600 then Phase 2 driver is what you will have to wait for. Also, if you want support in DX9 games.


Have things changed?


RE: Sincerely concerned about the PC market...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/21/2014 11:56:09 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Its a stigma that, as I already said, comes from the Rage 128 days


So that high-end gaming rig I had to eat last year, because the customer was upset over the Crossfire issues, was running Rage 128's? Interesting!

quote:
How many posts do you see on forums with 'I heard AMD has bad drivers?' without a single source, as yourself are doing?


There is no "source" for driver issues that would change your mind either way.

I know from personal experience, that's enough for me. We excused ATI's driver issues because they made solid cards at a great price point. Especially when it messes with my wallet.

quote:
And Crossfire stuttering has been fixed in the Hawaii based parts


So all those without Hawaii based cards...they can just go pound sand I guess?

That's the thing. Both companies have driver issues from time to time. Nvidia corrects them. ATI/AMD either takes forever to fix them, or blames it on hardware and tells you to buy another new card. Wtf!

quote:
How many posts do you see on forums with 'I heard AMD has bad drivers?'


A LOT. There's a reason for that.

There's a grain of truth in every stereotype.


By BRB29 on 2/24/2014 9:53:42 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
That's the thing. Both companies have driver issues from time to time. Nvidia corrects them. ATI/AMD either takes forever to fix them, or blames it on hardware and tells you to buy another new card. Wtf!


The millions of people that had failed laptops due to bumpgates was not all compensated. Dell, HP,etc.. only replaced "some" computers due to NVDA GPU failures. NVDA never directly compensated any consumers. I was one of those with a burned out Dell and Acer laptop that I had to eat the cost. NVDA didn't even want to admit they had a design flaw until they got served in court and settled.

I can't say AMD is better or worse since they sell via third party. AFAIK, AMD hasn't intentionally sold known design flawed hardware. Usually, failures were due to 3rd party using cheap stuff.

Basically, as usual, you just went on ranting.


By blzd on 2/21/2014 10:45:11 PM , Rating: 2
You say this after perpetuating said stigma. Very strongly in one sides favor I might add.


By MadCold on 2/23/2014 5:36:50 PM , Rating: 2
Ummm...I think you need to take another look. ATi had awful drivers and AMD has done almost nothing to remedy this. The mere notion that they have better drivers than Nvidia is laughable, let alone saying they're hardware is "top notch". AMD hardware is basically for people mining fake internet currencies and poor people.


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