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Model X will have falcon wing doors says Musk

Tesla CEO Elon Musk was on hand recently at a Q&A session in Norway and he offered up some information on current and future Tesla vehicles.
 
One of the vehicles that Musk talked about was the upcoming Model X. Musk explained that the Model X will have the same wheelbase as the Model S, and that its length will be within 2” of the sedan. The Model X, however, will be quite a bit taller given that it’s a crossover (and to provide additional headroom for the third-row passengers).
 
Since the Model X will be heavier than the Model S, Tesla figures that the X will have about 10% higher energy consumption.


Tesla Model X Concept
 
Musk also stated that the production Model X would definitely retain the "Falcon Doors" for rear seat occupants. The rear doors are hinged in the roof instead B-pillar, which should allow for easier entry/exit in tight parking spaces. All-wheel-drive will be standard on the Model X with a separate electric motor driving the front wheels.
 
Speaking of AWD, the Model S will receive AWD as an option once the Model X goes into production. Tesla promises that AWD versions of the car will have the same driving range as the current RWD version; something that rarely (if ever) occurs with gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicles.


Tesla Model S
 
“Typical experience of AWD is that the efficiency will be worse. We've worked really hard to not have that same effect,” explained Tesla CTO JB Straubel. “We found some clever ways with dual motor AWD, not just mechanical linkage. To make that an efficiency neutral option breakthrough. Flat efficiency tradeoff.”
 
Software updates coming to the Model S will add a hill-hold function and allow manual selecting of ride height over a wider range of speeds.  Feature updates coming down the road will include guidance lines on the backup camera, adaptive cruise control, and Musk also promised that Model S cars coming off the line in the near future would have more comfortable front seats. The new seat can be retrofitted into existing cars.

Source: Tesla Motors Club



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RE: Blech
By amanojaku on 2/11/2014 4:26:28 PM , Rating: 3
Crossovers are for people who need to carry extra passengers or cargo, but don't want or need the towing capacity and off-road capabilities of a truck. They're the modern-day station wagon, only better looking. A crossover makes more sense than the traditional SUV due to improved fuel economy; they're based on car platforms, whereas SUVs are based on trucks.

AWD is generally misunderstood. It's not just useful for off-roading. It has utility in all low-traction situations. In theory, a properly designed AWD car can transfer engine torque and HP to any wheel in any amount. If the rear wheels are stuck in ice, snow, or mud, the front wheels could have 100% of the torque and HP. If the car is accelerating, the rear wheels could have 100% of the torque and HP. If the car is turning, the outside wheels would have, say, 65% of the engine torque and HP (outside wheels must spin faster than inside wheels for best cornering performance).

Personally, an EV should not be AWD, it should be IWD, where each wheel has its own motor. No central drive shaft means less weight and frictional losses from a drive train, etc...


RE: Blech
By coburn_c on 2/11/2014 4:35:15 PM , Rating: 1
Station wagons look way better than crossovers. Look at the CTS wagon next to the SRX.

Torque vectoring in a crossover? Are you kidding me? If you want a car to corner well you wouldn't make a crossover.

And don't even get me started on a Tesla in the snow..

http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2013/long-ter...

As for four motors.. the last thing you need in an EV or a crossover is more weight.


RE: Blech
By coburn_c on 2/11/2014 4:41:35 PM , Rating: 2
Another thing I don't understand, why do Teslas have an engine compartment and hood? I mean these is no engine in there, the batteries are under the seat... it's like they want you to think it's an actual car and not a fast golf cart.


RE: Blech
By Spuke on 2/11/2014 5:17:16 PM , Rating: 2
There's storage space in the front. Why waste it?


RE: Blech
By coburn_c on 2/11/2014 5:33:30 PM , Rating: 1
Well if you're building a vehicle to haul more people, why not use all the available space. Wouldn't there be more space if you pushed the cabin forward?


RE: Blech
By SeeManRun on 2/11/2014 6:00:35 PM , Rating: 2
In the event of a crash you need a crumple zone.


RE: Blech
By coburn_c on 2/11/2014 6:05:10 PM , Rating: 1
So why isn't there a hood and compartment on the sides and in the back?


RE: Blech
By Spuke on 2/11/2014 6:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
Now you're being stupid.


RE: Blech
By amanojaku on 2/11/2014 5:30:06 PM , Rating: 2
Both vehicles are ugly to me, but the SRX is WAY better looking than the CTS Wagon. I'm not the only one who thinks so, since the SRX has been Cadillac's best selling car every years starting in 2010.

All cars benefit from torque vectoring. The high weight and center of gravity means a crossover is in greater need of traction at the wheels than a smaller car. People don't buy a car to inspect its traction (they should, but few people understand it, including you); they buy a car for what it can hold, its looks, its upfront cost and it's cost of ownership (fuel economy, maintenance, etc...)

That Tesla article you provided didn't say anything about the car's performance in snow. It said the car doesn't brake or charge the same due to the cold. In other words, it takes longer to charge, and the car brakes like a regular car without regenerative breaking. Not exactly a crisis, even if it's undesirable.

The four motors... They're smaller than a single, large motor. And there's no drive train (if using wheel hub engines) or a short drive train (if using inboard engines), so the weight would actually be LESS.

The front hood is a trunk, and the car is far more resilient than a golf cart.


RE: Blech
By coburn_c on 2/11/2014 5:37:59 PM , Rating: 2
Ah well I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

My opinion is that the SRX is absolutely disgusting. My opinion is that four motors would weigh a lot more than a driveshaft or just a rear motor. My opinion is that an EV becomes twice as annoying in freezing weather... well that one is actually a fact..


RE: Blech
By Spuke on 2/11/2014 6:30:02 PM , Rating: 2
Uh, the CTS Wagon is badass! The new SRX is not even close. I liked the old SRX though.


RE: Blech
By CharonPDX on 2/11/2014 10:00:00 PM , Rating: 2
We had snow/ice here over the weekend. About 6 inches of snow, with about half an inch of ice on top. We have one AWD vehicle and one 2WD vehicle.

Our driveway is uphill. Gravel. About 50 feet long, 10 feet incline to the street. (Plus a flat stretch right next to the house.)

The AWD climbed right out. Getting up from its dry spot up on to the snow/ice was the hardest part, and didn't even do any sliding there. That was when the accumulation had stopped, but it was still cold. The roads were still nasty, "slushy" at best on main drags, but still driving on top of snow/ice on the side streets.

The 2WD, on the other hand... Yeah, didn't even TRY to drive it until the snow/ice had started melting. Waited until the main roads were clear, and the side streets "slush with bare pavement visible in the ruts". I definitely missed the AWD when trying to get my car out of the driveway this morning. One wheel was slipping, so traction control stopped the drive axle completely. I had to get BOTH tires on that axle on solid footing to get it to move. (Of course, the non-drive-axle's tires were on perfectly fine ground...)


RE: Blech
By Rukkian on 2/12/2014 10:47:31 AM , Rating: 2
In the snow belt (Iowa doesn't get as much as say MN, but they have no idea how to plow around here), a good AWD can make the difference between sliding all over, and actually going where you want to go. CUV's are not really meant for offroading, but light trail driving can be done in some (my Forester has seen some crappy, muddy roads going to some boy scout campouts).
The AWD for the Model S, and X will not be made for offroading at all, it will make commuting in snowy regions much safer, easier (if done right).


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