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Model X will have falcon wing doors says Musk

Tesla CEO Elon Musk was on hand recently at a Q&A session in Norway and he offered up some information on current and future Tesla vehicles.
One of the vehicles that Musk talked about was the upcoming Model X. Musk explained that the Model X will have the same wheelbase as the Model S, and that its length will be within 2” of the sedan. The Model X, however, will be quite a bit taller given that it’s a crossover (and to provide additional headroom for the third-row passengers).
Since the Model X will be heavier than the Model S, Tesla figures that the X will have about 10% higher energy consumption.

Tesla Model X Concept
Musk also stated that the production Model X would definitely retain the "Falcon Doors" for rear seat occupants. The rear doors are hinged in the roof instead B-pillar, which should allow for easier entry/exit in tight parking spaces. All-wheel-drive will be standard on the Model X with a separate electric motor driving the front wheels.
Speaking of AWD, the Model S will receive AWD as an option once the Model X goes into production. Tesla promises that AWD versions of the car will have the same driving range as the current RWD version; something that rarely (if ever) occurs with gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicles.

Tesla Model S
“Typical experience of AWD is that the efficiency will be worse. We've worked really hard to not have that same effect,” explained Tesla CTO JB Straubel. “We found some clever ways with dual motor AWD, not just mechanical linkage. To make that an efficiency neutral option breakthrough. Flat efficiency tradeoff.”
Software updates coming to the Model S will add a hill-hold function and allow manual selecting of ride height over a wider range of speeds.  Feature updates coming down the road will include guidance lines on the backup camera, adaptive cruise control, and Musk also promised that Model S cars coming off the line in the near future would have more comfortable front seats. The new seat can be retrofitted into existing cars.

Source: Tesla Motors Club

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RE: One thing...
By Qapa on 2/11/2014 2:56:58 PM , Rating: 2
As Reclaimer is saying, that is highly doubtful.

Either range will drop or price will be higher.

It is actually not "his fault", but I don't think battery will reach that point that soon.

And I think he also had made some estimates for previous cars that were also on lower price...

Again, great cars, but the battery is still keeping with lower range or higher price.

But even if he can put out a... let's say 40k with 150 real miles it would be a great achievement.

Nissan is also trying to get to somewhere near that...

I'd bet both will fall short of the promises, but still any improvements are welcome and are a path to EVs being more mainstream ready.

RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/2014 3:21:18 PM , Rating: 4
Neither of you actually suggested any reason as to why it's doubtful. Keep in mind Tesla's successive "impossible" achievements, world's first and second worthwhile electric car, supercharger network, Consumer Reports 99%, etc.

Then remember that the $35k third-gen vehicle was the goal all along. And now they're building the world's largest battery factory. With scale comes cost reduction. Everything hinges on that factory.

RE: One thing...
By Spuke on 2/11/14, Rating: 0
RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/2014 6:03:17 PM , Rating: 3
What impossible achievements has he done?

Keep in mind Tesla's successive "impossible" achievements, world's first and second worthwhile electric car, supercharger network, Consumer Reports 99%, etc.

Everything he's done is entirely possible with today's battery tech

..LOL. No shit, but everyone SAID it would be impossible before the Roadster and Model S.

($100k price point for the vehicle and not giving zero f%^ks about making money from this)

Starts at $70k pre-credit, margins are ~30%

And wasn't the Model X supposed to be the cheap car?


RE: One thing...
By Spuke on 2/11/2014 6:34:44 PM , Rating: 1
No? Oh yeah! Now you guys don't remember. LOL! That's ok, I do.

RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/2014 7:26:50 PM , Rating: 2
Some media erroneously printed that last year, I am guessing that's why you are confused.

RE: One thing...
By Rukkian on 2/12/2014 9:14:22 AM , Rating: 2
The model X was always supposed to be a crossover. The cheaper one was always the one after the X, which apparently is now referred to as the "E". Originally, the X was going to come out this year, but was delayed, with the follow up sometime in late 2015 or 2016, however, quite awile ago, it was reported that those timeframes have been moved back. Some media outlets decided to use some poetic license and claim that the X (now coming in 2015-2016) would be the cheaper car, but they were wrong.

I can see an issue with slipping timelines, but the X was never mentioned by Tesla to be a cheaper car. If they can build a crossover with the same fit and finish, and get near the range, there is no way it will be cheaper. They would have to cut quite a few corners to do that at this point.

RE: One thing...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/12/14, Rating: -1
RE: One thing...
By robertgu on 2/11/2014 9:30:45 PM , Rating: 3
And now they're building the world's largest battery factory. With scale comes cost reduction. Everything hinges on that factory.

IIRC, the biggest limiter on reducing the costs of automotive grade battery packs isn't the manufacturing efficiencies, it's the materials, i.e. lithium. I know lithium is rare and hard to acquire. With the increase in lithium based automotive battery packs it's extremely likely this raw material will continue to sky rocket in pricing (law of supply and demand).

I'm pulling for Tesla. I hope they find new battery chemistries which will allow them to obtain the range and performance they want while significantly reducing it's costs by using more efficient or cheaper raw materials.

RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/2014 10:37:11 PM , Rating: 2
Saw recent video Q&A where it was actually mentioned that there is no shortage of lithium, that lithium is not as important as people think and that the real problem is nickel. I will post it if I can find it again.

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