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Model X will have falcon wing doors says Musk

Tesla CEO Elon Musk was on hand recently at a Q&A session in Norway and he offered up some information on current and future Tesla vehicles.
 
One of the vehicles that Musk talked about was the upcoming Model X. Musk explained that the Model X will have the same wheelbase as the Model S, and that its length will be within 2” of the sedan. The Model X, however, will be quite a bit taller given that it’s a crossover (and to provide additional headroom for the third-row passengers).
 
Since the Model X will be heavier than the Model S, Tesla figures that the X will have about 10% higher energy consumption.


Tesla Model X Concept
 
Musk also stated that the production Model X would definitely retain the "Falcon Doors" for rear seat occupants. The rear doors are hinged in the roof instead B-pillar, which should allow for easier entry/exit in tight parking spaces. All-wheel-drive will be standard on the Model X with a separate electric motor driving the front wheels.
 
Speaking of AWD, the Model S will receive AWD as an option once the Model X goes into production. Tesla promises that AWD versions of the car will have the same driving range as the current RWD version; something that rarely (if ever) occurs with gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicles.


Tesla Model S
 
“Typical experience of AWD is that the efficiency will be worse. We've worked really hard to not have that same effect,” explained Tesla CTO JB Straubel. “We found some clever ways with dual motor AWD, not just mechanical linkage. To make that an efficiency neutral option breakthrough. Flat efficiency tradeoff.”
 
Software updates coming to the Model S will add a hill-hold function and allow manual selecting of ride height over a wider range of speeds.  Feature updates coming down the road will include guidance lines on the backup camera, adaptive cruise control, and Musk also promised that Model S cars coming off the line in the near future would have more comfortable front seats. The new seat can be retrofitted into existing cars.

Source: Tesla Motors Club



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RE: One thing...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/11/2014 2:17:03 PM , Rating: 0
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Once you can lease a Tesla for that price, every single sedan from the Toyota Camry and above is irrelevant.


LMAO that's cute you believe that.

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As you well know, the Model E released in 2017 or 2018 will be about $35,000.


We'll have to see. I'm pretty skeptical he can hit that price point so soon, unless he plans on taking even more losses every sale to get there.


RE: One thing...
By quiksilvr on 2/11/2014 2:56:00 PM , Rating: 2
I see it happening. In 4 years they went from a $100,000+ Roadster to a $70,000 Model S. Hell, they could come out with a much more compact 4 door car with a way less beefier engine and smaller battery and sell it for $50,000 if they wanted to now. So in 4 years with battery tech improving and less R&D costs due to previous work on their other Tesla cars, making a sub $40,000 electric car with a 200 mile range should be possible.


RE: One thing...
By Solandri on 2/11/2014 4:55:33 PM , Rating: 1
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I see it happening. In 4 years they went from a $100,000+ Roadster to a $70,000 Model S. [...] So in 4 years with battery tech improving and less R&D costs due to previous work on their other Tesla cars, making a sub $40,000 electric car with a 200 mile range should be possible.

So with the price dropping $30,000 every 4 years, by 2026, Tesla will be paying you $20,000 to take one of their cars from them.

http://xkcd.com/605/


RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/14, Rating: 0
RE: One thing...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/11/14, Rating: -1
RE: One thing...
By SeeManRun on 2/11/2014 4:24:45 PM , Rating: 3
The first flights were for the rich, as were the first cars, refrigerators, and indoor plumbing. Everything starts out for the wealthy because they are the only ones that can pay such high initial costs.

The supercharger is not meant to service every Tesla owner all the time. But if you happen to be going the same way, it is a very nice convenience to have. And if they can expand to more areas, great; but you don't buy a Tesla with the intention of heavy supercharger use.


RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/2014 4:28:55 PM , Rating: 2
Camry for $350/mo, plus $200/mo in fuel costs, or a third-gen Tesla, essentially an electric BMW, for about the same total cost. Even at a slight premium, the Tesla is guaranteed to sell out.

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My only point is that when that $500 lease point for the Tesla approaches, the Camry and other sedans are still going to be top sellers. Hardly "irrelevant".


Of course. I was just joking about irrelevant. Tesla could sell the best car in the world for $20k, and they'd still be limited by their comparatively tiny production capacity.

By the time any of this happens, hopefully the Volt and Prius will have caught up a little bit.


RE: One thing...
By Spuke on 2/11/2014 5:05:44 PM , Rating: 1
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Camry for $350/mo, plus $200/mo in fuel costs, or a third-gen Tesla
Quit making sh!t up! $200/mo in fuel for a Camry? Not with the Camry's fuel economy and not with your average commute are you going to be paying $200 a month in fuel. I pay ROUGHLY $200 a month in fuel for a 27 mpg (actual hand calculated) sports car with a 66 mile round trip per day commute.


RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/14, Rating: 0
RE: One thing...
By Spuke on 2/11/14, Rating: 0
RE: One thing...
By robertgu on 2/11/2014 9:19:12 PM , Rating: 3
And yet you assume Camry will use $200 in fuel costs per month, which back of the napkin calcs using $4.00 per gallon avg fuel costs and 27 MPG equals to about 1,350 miles per month.

But you in the earlier post are saying the Tesla will be $500 per month lease yet decide to not include the cost increase to the monthly electric bill? If you want to make comparisons you need to be more through and try to make as much an apples to apples comparison to have legitimacy good sir.


RE: One thing...
By flyingpants1 on 2/11/2014 10:15:19 PM , Rating: 1
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If you want to make comparisons you need to be more through and try to make as much an apples to apples comparison to have legitimacy good sir.


No.. If I wanted to do an apples-to-apples comparison, I wouldn't be comparing the Model E with a Camry, but rather with a BMW 3 Series or Audi A4.

I made a quick example without doing any calculations, to show that even the most popular mid-size in the USA is within the same ballpark as the Model E. The very next line says "Even at a slight premium", implying the total cost of the Model E would actually be higher. Meaning, anyone in the market for a Camry might choose to opt for a Model E instead. Is this really so hard to understand?


RE: One thing...
By half_duplex on 2/12/2014 11:30:47 AM , Rating: 2
I drive an A4 and my sisters BF drives a gen 2 Model S.

It is a really nice interior and basically a xvga screen on the dash, but we took a few longer than average drives in it and they were constantly looking for super chargers. We basically had to stop either before or after every hour or so drive for "starbucks" while he plugged up. I couldn't handle that.


RE: One thing...
By Nutzo on 2/12/2014 1:26:07 PM , Rating: 2
This is exactly why electic cars will never replace gas cars unless there is a huge breakthough in battery capacity and charging speed.

With the rising electricity prices (at least here in California), and with states getting ready to start charging a mileage tax on electric cars to pay for the highways, the cost saving will largely disappear.


RE: One thing...
By Reclaimer77 on 2/12/2014 2:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
Ugh ridiculous. Your sisters BF can obviously afford to piss away half a day at Starbucks charging up, but most Americans can't. Which is why EV's will never be ready for prime time, way too impracticable for the majority.


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