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2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is rated at 23 mpg combined

When it comes to full-size pickups, Ford has been grabbing the lion’s share of the attention in recent month. Leading up its official unveil at the Detroit Auto Show, everyone was abuzz about the use of aluminum in the 2015 Ford F-150. And when the sheets were finally lifted, we were greeted with a truck whose body contained 95 percent aluminum.
The 700-pound weight reduction -- thanks to the use of high-strength aluminum -- was used to show that the F-150 would once again feature class-leading fuel economy (although the official EPA numbers are not yet available).
Chrysler is obviously tired of hearing about the F-150 and wants to put some of the spotlight back on its own hot-selling pickup: the Ram 1500. In this case, the company is proud to announce that its Ram 1500 EcoDiesel V6 (240hp, 420 lb-ft torque, 9,200-pound towing capacity) is rated for 28 mpg on the highway and 23 mpg combined (the company neglected to provide city numbers).

Ram 1500 EcoDiesel
Naturally, Chrysler tried to dig the knife into Ford a little deeper by calling out the F-150. “To put the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel in context, it gets 6 mpg better fuel economy than the best F150 EcoBoost,” said Reid Bigland, President and CEO Ram Truck Brand. “Overall, the Ram 1500 Eco-Diesel has outstanding pick-up truck capability with compact-car-like fuel economy.”
The company even used its press release to bring attention to Ford’s extensive use of aluminum in the 2015 Ford F-150, clearly reaching out to a segment of the population that is not too keen on the use of the lightweight material. The press release talks about the “Thoughtful material-use strategies that leverage lightweight aluminum for components – such as hoods – that do not compromise capability.”

However, for those looking to “get their diesel on” with the Ram 1500, the price of entry definitely isn’t cheap. The 2014 Ram 1500 with a 3.6-liter V6 gasoline engine has a starting price of $24,400 (plus $1,195 destination fee) and the EcoDiesel engine option represents a $2,850 premium over the already optional 5.7-liter HEMI V8.
And that also doesn’t take into account the 10 to 15 percent (or higher) price premium for diesel over regular unleaded gasoline throughout much of the United States.

Source: Chrysler

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Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By coburn_c on 2/4/2014 7:39:21 PM , Rating: 3
Now they just need to slip that diesel into the Town & Country and Durango. Also need a turbo charged Pentastar.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By Brandon Hill on 2/4/2014 7:50:13 PM , Rating: 2
It makes perfect sense in the Durango. I mean, its platform mate (the Grand Cherokee) already has it.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By Lord 666 on 2/4/2014 7:59:12 PM , Rating: 3
Don't forget the Wrangler!

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By Brandon Hill on 2/4/2014 8:00:49 PM , Rating: 2

C/D: The Wrangler community is bracing itself for some big changes with the next one, including an independent suspension and a diesel engine. Would you agree that their expectations are legitimate?

MM : What I would say to them is that Wrangler and what it stands for is very important to the brand. Obviously what we need to do with next-generation Wrangler is drive its fuel economy in the right direction, some of which will include weight, some of that will include new technology, but it has to be a Wrangler, which means it has to be capable. To some extent, a Wrangler is a canvas, and many of our customers like to customize their Wrangler, and we recognize that in the next generation that still has to be a very simple thing for them to do. In terms of diesel, that’s something we’re looking at, because I think diesel is, potentially, a powertrain solution for Wrangler .

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By JediJeb on 2/5/2014 5:44:30 PM , Rating: 2
Diesel yes, independent suspension no.

Independent suspension in an offroad vehicle is not a good idea, it really reduces the flex of the suspension to keep all four wheels on the ground over large obstacles. Just look at all the talk comparing the original XJ Cherokee to the new Cherokee, the new one is no where near as capable offroad as the old ones are.

By coburn_c on 2/4/2014 8:59:51 PM , Rating: 2
The Town & Country weighs as much as a 1500 and currently only musters 20mpg combined.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By FITCamaro on 2/5/2014 7:41:56 AM , Rating: 3
Why would you need a diesel van with that big an engine? A diesel 4 banger with 150 or so hp and 250ish lb ft of torque sure.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By coburn_c on 2/5/2014 8:36:39 AM , Rating: 3
4700lbs and 150hp? I don't want to merge onto the freeway in that.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By clarkn0va on 2/5/2014 11:43:35 AM , Rating: 3
My V230TD has 98 hp and 170 lb-ft of torque, weighs over 5000 lbs loaded and merges just fine, thanks.

When I'm feeling sporty I jump in the Impreza, but for practical driving a little bit of skill goes a long way in making up for a lack of grunt. I'm quite happy not paying the extra 50% for fuel 100% of the time just for the luxury of being lazy during the odd moment of challenging driving.

By coburn_c on 2/5/2014 4:39:35 PM , Rating: 2
We wouldn't tolerate that in America, where I'm sure that vehicle never sold.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By JediJeb on 2/5/2014 5:48:33 PM , Rating: 2
The quickness of the torque will make up for any lack of HP.

Just think of a semi with 400HP and 80,000 pounds. If acceleration is proportional to HP then those things should never be able to merge into traffic, yet some come off the onramps faster than most cars.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By Reclaimer77 on 2/5/2014 6:00:18 PM , Rating: 2
If acceleration is proportional to HP then those things should never be able to merge into traffic,

Gearing. Lots and LOTS of gears.

Semi trucks have lots of torque though, yes. A 98 horsepower passenger van? Not so much.

By flatrock on 2/6/2014 10:28:27 AM , Rating: 2
Well Chrysler has introduced an 8 and 9 speed transmission which makes better use of their engines capabilities. I don't know if they are pairing those with the diesels yet.

RE: Spread the Fiat Diesel around
By Alexvrb on 2/6/2014 12:11:21 AM , Rating: 2
Well, it would have lots of torque but... I still agree. I think that's a bit low for this kind of vehicle. For example, the 2.0L diesel in the Cruze generates 151HP and 264 ft-lbs, which is fine for the weight, but something like that wouldn't cut it for the heavy minivans.

But there's no reason you couldn't use a larger displacement 4-cylinder diesel, and generate ~170-180HP and 330-350 ft-lbs of torque. That would be adequate, and a lot cheaper (and more efficient) than it's V6 diesel big brother.

By flatrock on 2/6/2014 10:22:47 AM , Rating: 2
A family that wants to pull a camper comes to mind.

Minivans are great, if ugly, people haulers, but they fill up quickly for families with kids, especially if there is an infant among them.

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