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Today's decision by the NHTSA marks a transition from V2V research to taking the next steps toward actual implementation in new vehicles

It's been decided that vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communications, which allow cars and trucks to "talk" with one another and their surroundings, will move from just research to actual implementation thanks to a recent approval. 

According to the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT), the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) wants to put V2V technology in all new cars and trucks as a way of avoiding traffic accidents and fatalities. For example, your car could let you know that another vehicle ahead is about to blow through a stop sign in an attempt to avoid a crash.

Research regarding V2V communications has been ongoing for quite some time now. Ten major automakers and technology companies have been working with NHTSA’s Connected Vehicle Research Program since 2012 in a V2V pilot study in Ann Arbor, Michigan, for example.

But today's decision by the NHTSA marks a transition from V2V research to taking the next steps toward actual implementation in new vehicles.


Automakers like Audi, Volkswagen, BMW, Ford, General Motors, Honda and Toyota have all started developing some type of V2V technology, but NHTSA's new push for making such technology required in new vehicles will likely put forward some sort of standard to ensure that everyone is on the same page and that vehicles from different automakers can communicate with one another effectively. 

Automakers have voiced concerns in the past regarding V2V communications, saying that such technology could add thousands of dollars to the price tags of new vehicles, making them more difficult to sell. 

But the overall sentiment is that the technology can save lives. According to DOT, V2V could prevent 70 to 80 percent of vehicle crashes involving unimpaired drivers, which could help prevent thousands of deaths and injuries on U.S. roads annually.

The tech uses a 360-degree view of a vehicle’s surroundings, allowing the car to detect what the driver cannot. A dedicated short range radio network is also used to allow vehicles to communicate with each other up to 300 yards away. 

"Vehicle-to-vehicle technology represents the next generation of auto safety improvements, building on the life-saving achievements we've already seen with safety belts and air bags," said U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx. "By helping drivers avoid crashes, this technology will play a key role in improving the way people get where they need to go while ensuring that the U.S. remains the leader in the global automotive industry."

The DOT and NHTSA have not yet set forth an exact date for when vehicles will be required to implement V2V technology. 

Source: U.S. Department of Transportation



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This is a must
By aurareturn on 2/3/2014 5:35:24 PM , Rating: 1
I've been dreaming of a feature like this in cars. This is a must. Cars are dangerous. If it's too expensive, cut corners in other areas like infotainment, horsepower, etc.




RE: This is a must
By M'n'M on 2/3/2014 6:27:59 PM , Rating: 5
Indeed, why should people have a choice ! We forced airbags on those who wore seatbelts, tire pressure monitors on those who maintained their cars and backup cameras on those who have no kids.

Yes comrade, V2V and nyet on anything else. And if it still costs too much ... let them eat cake !

And if the proles refuse to buy new cars on our timetable, there's a SCOTUS ruling we can use to force them to ... or otherwise pay-up.

Aaaah, land of the free, home of the brave ...


RE: This is a must
By zozzlhandler on 2/3/2014 6:41:21 PM , Rating: 2
I think that its "home of the fee and the land of the knave..."


RE: This is a must
By othercents on 2/4/2014 10:12:22 AM , Rating: 2
V2V is dangerous. What if someone spoofed the system causing an accident? I do like the auto braking systems in some cars when a driver is distracted since even good drivers get distracted sometimes (much less often than bad ones), but unless we go to a complete driverless system V2V will cause more issues.

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Indeed, why should people have a choice ! We forced airbags on those who wore seatbelts, tire pressure monitors on those who maintained their cars and backup cameras on those who have no kids.


While I agree that backup cameras shouldn't be required, airbags when you are wearing your seatbelt properly can significantly reduce injury. Tire Pressure Monitors I can't comment about since mine goes off almost every time there is snow on the ground, however I like the reminder that I have tires, but doesn't keep someone else from driving on bald ones.

There is a new push to require side impact safety measures into baby seats. NHTSA say the regulations could prevent injuries to 64 children and roughly 5 deaths every year. To me the low number of injuries and death doesn't constitute an issue with the way baby seats are made especially since they can't confirm if those injured were actually in seats with side impact safety measures or if the child was placed into the seat properly.

V2V and many other measures are starting to have a lower rate of return. This is especially true if other countries with lower death rates don't have these measures in place. The better place to work on lowering the traffic fatalities is better driver training and lowering the number of distractions.


RE: This is a must
By NellyFromMA on 2/4/2014 8:13:23 PM , Rating: 2
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The better place to work on lowering the traffic fatalities is better driver training and lowering the number of distractions.


Couldn't agree more. I'm consistently amazed at how little driving capability a kid needs in order to be given their license. Heck, the vast majority of the adults on the highway are using their cell phones oblivious to the effect their bad driving has on themselves and those around them.


RE: This is a must
By vortmax2 on 2/5/2014 12:12:40 PM , Rating: 2
Better driver training is a simple and cheap way to help. How about requiring a driving test every 10 years (not the same as the 1st, but something on a sliding scale that matches the experience)? Driving is a privilege, not a right. Let's make that privilege special and safer.


RE: This is a must
By Reclaimer77 on 2/6/2014 10:49:21 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Driving is a privilege, not a right.


False.


RE: This is a must
By vortmax2 on 2/13/2014 11:14:28 AM , Rating: 2
True.


RE: This is a must
By Reclaimer77 on 2/3/14, Rating: 0
RE: This is a must
By Flunk on 2/4/2014 9:54:01 AM , Rating: 2
I think you might be demonstrating the OP's point. People with that sort of attitude are the problem, get rid of you guys and we won't need this sort of electronic nanny system.


RE: This is a must
By Reclaimer77 on 2/4/2014 10:18:25 AM , Rating: 1
We DON'T need this. Accident rates have never been lower, and vehicle fatalities have never been lower.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking there is a need for this or that's it's even sensible.

What kind of "attitude" do I have? That I don't want the Government, who can't even get a goddamn website to work, to network my car with every other car on the road! And somehow you interpret that as ME being a bad driver??


RE: This is a must
By Jeffk464 on 2/4/2014 11:10:14 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, and lets get rid of these new fangled computer thingies while were at it.


RE: This is a must
By HostileEffect on 2/4/2014 12:08:37 PM , Rating: 3
I won't tolerate V2V in my vehicle, the same goes for gps tracking and remote kill switches. I'll mod the stuff out myself if I can't get anyone to do it. And don't give me any lip about laws, those never stopped anyone from doing anything.


RE: This is a must
By niva on 2/4/2014 1:06:11 PM , Rating: 2
True, but fear of being caught while breaking the law has stopped quite a few people from doing "anything."


RE: This is a must
By RapidDissent on 2/4/2014 3:42:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yup. There's at least 17 people I would murder right now, if only it was legal. :(


RE: This is a must
By marvdmartian on 2/4/2014 7:48:49 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, because controlling drivers is so much better than requiring them to be safe and responsible, right?

Frikkin' sheeple....


RE: This is a must
By Jeffk464 on 2/4/2014 11:23:05 AM , Rating: 2
Hey think of it this way, if you have automated cars you can get rid of traffic cops. That sounds like a good trade to me.


RE: This is a must
By arrandale on 2/4/2014 8:29:16 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I've been dreaming of a feature like this in cars. This is a must. Cars are dangerous. If it's too expensive, cut corners in other areas like infotainment, horsepower, etc.


Bollocks. Poorly trained and inattentive drivers are dangerous. A skilled driver in a well maintained vehicle is perfectly safe.


RE: This is a must
By gamerk2 on 2/4/2014 8:35:16 AM , Rating: 3
Unless he happens to get hit by said poorly trained and inattentive drivers.


RE: This is a must
By nafhan on 2/4/2014 9:17:12 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
A skilled driver in a well maintained vehicle is perfectly safe.
Well, it's a good thing that most people feel like they're a better than average driver, then!

More seriously, this is like saying, "We'd never have any mistakes if people didn't make any mistakes." We don't live in a world where you can count on anywhere close to a majority of the people on the road being skilled drivers in well maintained vehicles. I live in a world where I can count on a good percentage of the people on the road to be grumpy, not paying attention, and unskilled.

Also, and this is totally anecdotal, I've noticed that many people who consider themselves skilled drivers "make up for it" by driving much more aggressively/dangerously. Skill != safety. I'd consider adherence to standard rules of the road more important than skill.


RE: This is a must
By Reclaimer77 on 2/4/2014 10:31:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
We don't live in a world where you can count on anywhere close to a majority of the people on the road being skilled drivers in well maintained vehicles.


Uhhh the statistics say we DO live in that world.

By your logic everyone totals their cars out every year playing bumper cars.

But yes, not everyone is a perfect driver. So freaking what? Do you believe the Government is going to swoop in and fix this for you? Or even if they could, should?

Why don't you fly over to Russia and pitch this crap to them? They might actually need it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/...


RE: This is a must
By nafhan on 2/4/2014 2:51:12 PM , Rating: 2
Statistics you say... are these statistics that you made up, or are they ones you can refer me to? And, come on, there's a vast middle ground between perfect drivers and people who total their cars on a yearly basis.

Anyway, my point is that most people aren't that great at driving. Not that we should definitely implement this system as described here in this article (which I didn't say at all). I do, however, look forward to self driving cars getting "skilled" drivers off the road so I can commute in safety.


RE: This is a must
By Reclaimer77 on 2/4/2014 3:11:05 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah you're right, I made up those statistics. I write for the Washington Post, you got me.

f'ing douchebag....

I guess whenever we feel people are "bad" at something, we're justified in thinking the Government should swoop in and fix the situation.

Sorry Caucasians, mandatory dancing classes for you!!!


RE: This is a must
By Jeffk464 on 2/4/2014 5:21:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, find me a white guy that likes to dance


RE: This is a must
By nafhan on 2/5/2014 7:42:16 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Yeah you're right, I made up those statistics.
It was more like you made up the idea that those statistics exist somewhere, but yeah, basically.
quote:
f'ing douchebag
Making stuff up. Misrepresenting what others say. Now, name calling. Who's the d-bag?
quote:
I guess whenever we feel people are "bad" at something, we're justified in thinking the Government should swoop in and fix the situation.
You said this, not me. The entire time, I've been attempting to debunk the (very) mistaken idea that most people on the road are excellent drivers. If you want to argue against gov. control (or anything), use facts not things like supposed statistics that must exist because they would prop up your view of the world. There's plenty of reasons why the government shouldn't do this. "Everyone is a really good driver! FOR REAL!" isn't one of those reasons.


RE: This is a must
By Reclaimer77 on 2/5/2014 9:44:33 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
It was more like you made up the idea that those statistics exist somewhere, but yeah, basically.


Are you a troll? Of course those statistics are tracked and made available. Accident rates, fatalities, injuries, you name it. Tracked, collated, and categorized. Wtf, you can't be serious.

quote:
There's plenty of reasons why the government shouldn't do this. "Everyone is a really good driver! FOR REAL!" isn't one of those reasons.


I don't recall ever making that point. I don't think everyone is a really good driver, however I don't think we're living in a vehicle apocalypse as some are making it seem to be.

The statistics, that you refuse to acknowledge, show our roads are safer than ever and getting safer all the time. Everyone isn't a great driver, nor is everyone a horrible one as some make them out to be.


RE: This is a must
By nafhan on 2/5/2014 10:48:54 AM , Rating: 2
I've never seen statistics for things like "skill level of most drivers", and if such things exist, it's not coming from traffic accident info.

Anwyay:
quote:
Everyone isn't a great driver, nor is everyone a horrible one as some make them out to be.
If you believe that, why are you arguing with me? I jumped into this conversation by replying to someone who was stating that a skilled driver in a well maintained vehicle will be perfectly safe.


RE: This is a must
By JediJeb on 2/4/2014 11:55:06 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
More seriously, this is like saying, "We'd never have any mistakes if people didn't make any mistakes." We don't live in a world where you can count on anywhere close to a majority of the people on the road being skilled drivers in well maintained vehicles. I live in a world where I can count on a good percentage of the people on the road to be grumpy, not paying attention, and unskilled. Also, and this is totally anecdotal, I've noticed that many people who consider themselves skilled drivers "make up for it" by driving much more aggressively/dangerously. Skill != safety. I'd consider adherence to standard rules of the road more important than skill.


Then what needs to happen is when someone does something stupid like texting when driving, drinking while driving, or just driving like an idiot, they lose their license for a year to begin with, second offense lose it forever. Or maybe just make traffic fines cost thousands of dollars. If stupid drivers never have to pay for their stupidity then they will always be stupid drivers.

In Finland they make all drivers go through three days of training and testing on a wet skid pad to prove they can control their vehicle in a skid and on low traction pavement before they are allowed to obtain a license, why not implement something like that here? My dad made me drive in mud and on snow before I ever even got my learners permit(lived on a farm so no parking lots handy, just fields and back roads). By the time I had my own vehicle at 18 I could drive in almost any road conditions. He also held me responsible for any damage to a vehicle, which taught me to pay attention and not wreck it. Now days most kids I see their parents just let the insurance take care of it if they bend one up, and not make the kids pay for their own insurance. Start them off right and when they see what it cost maybe they will be more careful.

But really, we do need to make it more difficult to get a drivers license because for me it was a written test that was easy and a quick drive around a few blocks in town, and it is pretty much the same still. We had a drivers safety class at work recently put on by out insurance company and most here who had been driving for many years could not even correctly answer the most simple questions. Most didn't know it was illegal to use the emergency lane to pass a car that was stopped to turn left, or which stripe was where your front bumper was supposed to be at a stoplight and which was for pedestrians, or that speed limits begin at the sign and not from where you can see the sign. Don't even begin to ask how many could not tell who has the right of way at an intersection!


RE: This is a must
By nafhan on 2/4/2014 2:52:33 PM , Rating: 2
I 100% agree with this. Driving is treated as a right rather than a privilege in the US, which is nuts.

I would add to your list that more testing for the elderly should be mandatory. I've seen some scary stuff involving half blind 80 year olds driving or towing bus sized Winnebagos.


RE: This is a must
By Reclaimer77 on 2/4/2014 7:33:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
My dad made me drive in mud and on snow before I ever even got my learners permit


You mean without a Government mandate?

Clearly you're lying sir. We can't have parents taking initiative and doing things like that on their own!!

quote:
But really, we do need to make it more difficult to get a drivers license


Pointless. Like any test, people will retain the knowledge/skills only as long as needed to pass. After that, they'll go back to their old habits and ways.


RE: This is a must
By Jeffk464 on 2/4/2014 5:19:41 PM , Rating: 2
Road hipnoses, it can happen to anyone. Talk to any truck driver and you will find someone not overconfident about driving.


RE: This is a must
By FITCamaro on 2/4/2014 12:23:41 PM , Rating: 1
Salt is dangerous in the wrong hands. Regulate salt!

Seriously. People whine about spying but then support the government mandating features that allow them to know where you are in the car at all times, how fast you're going, where you've been, and even the health of your car.

I'll be disabling this crap in any way possible if I buy a car with it.


RE: This is a must
By ritualm on 2/4/2014 2:50:24 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Salt is dangerous in the wrong hands. Regulate salt!

Three New York City politicians actually tried legislating such a ban.

http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/13889/asse...


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