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Best Buy offers $400 off original Surface Pro

It wasn't necessarily the hardware that made the original Microsoft Surface Pro so unattractive to buyers; it was most likely the hefty price tag. If you have had a secret urge to get your hands on an original Surface Pro, this may the time.
Best Buy has announced a smoking deal on new 128GB Surface Pro tablets. The machine is up for sale at a $400 discount (from its current MSRP) making the tablet $499.99. That is half the price the tablet went for when it originally launched at $999.99.
The entry-level Surface Pro 2 tablet goes for $899.

The original Surface Pro has a 10.6-inch screen, integrated kickstand, supports pen input, and has built-in Wi-Fi. It also features Bluetooth and a memory card slot for storage expansion. The Surface Pro also offers front and rear cameras, but you don't get the slick keyboard accessory at this price.
It doesn't have the same sort of performance as the Surface Pro 2 offers with its updated Core i5 processor (or the 50% longer battery life), but the original tablet will get the job done at a much lower price for most people. 
The special deal at Best Buy makes a new Surface Pro 128GB tablet cheaper than some of the refurbished offerings available now. There is no indication of how long the new price will last.

Source: Best Buy

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By mgilbert on 1/31/2014 10:32:33 AM , Rating: -1
The Surface tablets are garbage - all of them. I bought one and wound up returning it because it was so tedious to use. If you stick with Windows 8 touch applications only - and doing that severely cripples what you can do with the tablet - it is fine, but just try to do any serious work on a spreadsheet or image on one, and you'll be pulling your hair out in short order.

The pen is inaccurate, and calibrating it does no good. Trying to click on anything, considering how small everything is once it is shrunk to fit on the screen, is sure to drive you mad. You just can't do any serious work on these pieces of garbage. They are unusable, except as grossly overpriced toys.

I'm no fan of Apple as a company, but the iPad is much easier to use, even with just your finger.

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By Flunk on 1/31/2014 11:02:21 AM , Rating: 5
You're kind of all over the place there. The Surface is ok if you only use tablet apps but the iPad is better because... It can't run desktop apps? What "serious work" are you doing on your iPad? Your argument doesn't really make sense.

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By mgilbert on 1/31/14, Rating: -1
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By OoklaTheMok on 1/31/2014 1:04:47 PM , Rating: 2
To say that the pen is inaccurate is ridiculous. I can only imagine a tweaker would have a problem getting the pen to the intended point on the screen.

Maybe you're not the ideal audience for a Surface, fine... but many others are. I have a Surface Pro 2 and I love it. I'll admit that I occasionally wish it had a bigger screen when using it as a laptop replacement, but when using it as a tablet, the screen size is just about right. But then again, I can easily solve the problem by hooking it up to one or more monitors if I need more screen space.

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By Reclaimer77 on 1/31/14, Rating: 0
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By troysavary on 1/31/14, Rating: 0
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By Reclaimer77 on 1/31/14, Rating: 0
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By troysavary on 2/1/14, Rating: 0
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By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2014 8:01:05 AM , Rating: 1
Bla bla red herring bla black.

Everyone knows Google isn't a device maker. They just wanted the patents to defend themselves from your beloved patent trolls MS and Nokia.

But again, has nothing to do with Surface at all. You're poor parallels are becoming legendary. Or desperate.

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By unplug on 1/31/2014 11:34:12 AM , Rating: 2
It's a laptop replacement in a badass form.

This, the very accurate pen and oneNote, is a dream come true.

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By troysavary on 1/31/2014 12:01:48 PM , Rating: 2
Some Wacom digitizers have edge calibration problems. The closer you get to the edge, the less accurate. Trying to calibrate to get the edges accurate throws the rest of the screen off. The best bet is to calibrate so as to make the middle spot-on. Theis makes most of the screen accurate and just leaves the edges off. Much better than trying to fix the edges and messing up the rest of the screen.

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By mgilbert on 1/31/2014 12:09:28 PM , Rating: 1
That's exactly the problem I had, and on a $100 toy, I would have accepted it, but on a device that cost over $700 at the time, it was a deal breaker. For that kind of money, I expect things to work correctly.

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By Da W on 1/31/2014 1:18:08 PM , Rating: 1
My 2 years old daughter use my Surface pro daily, can even log out of my account to jump into hers, and she can switch between her 1000 games with no problem. The pen is precise enough for her painting.

So what's your problem with the tablet exactly?

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By troysavary on 1/31/2014 1:40:10 PM , Rating: 3
He may have gotten one of the faulty Wacom digitizers with poor edge calibration. This is the frst I have heard of it on the Surface, but it isn't inconceivable as it is an occasional issue on Wacom Bamboo pen input devices. Chances are the Surface is using the ower end digitizer similar to the one in the Bamboo, and not the digitizer found in more expensive Intuos or Cintiq.

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By damianrobertjones on 1/31/2014 5:13:10 PM , Rating: 3
Right, ok, fine. Sorry that you couldn't adapt to a device and maybe you SHOULD use something else.

How do I use my Surface Pro 2?

I use it INSTEAD of a full laptop, while at work, docked to a 27" screen and USB 3 hub. Fantastic device. I then take it with me, out of the office, to use as a general games machine, nothing serious as the HD 4400 isn't magical, then when I arrive home I can sit there reading comics or browsing the web.

The desktop portion of Windows 8.1 allows me to carry on, as I've done for many years, with the general day to day workload. Excel, Outlook, OneNote and VM work via VMWare (Not moved to Hyper-v just yet). The Modern UI, on the other hand, affords me a fancy place to stick my main shortcuts to the other applications that are not on the task bar.

All in all an all purpose machine. I have a hex-core desktop for anything heavy.

Sorry that YOU didn't find it useful.

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By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/2014 8:48:10 AM , Rating: 1
The problem is anyone can do that with a laptop or Ultrabook running Windows 8.1.

I can't see any compelling reason to get a Surface Pro 2 over like a Lenovo Yoga or Yoga 2 Pro.

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By ritualm on 2/2/2014 9:30:31 PM , Rating: 3
When Reclaimer77 says Surface Pro 2 is not worth getting, there shall be no counter arguments.

You're like Argon18. In reverse.

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By kmmatney on 2/1/2014 3:21:48 PM , Rating: 2
Did work pay for your Surface 2, or did you? It sounds like a pretty cool device, but I'd be hesitant to use my own money for it, especially when you can get a convertible laptop with a 13" screen (Lenovo Yoga or HP Split). If work is paying, then I'd wouldn't mind having a Surface Pro 2!

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By Manch on 2/1/2014 10:18:58 PM , Rating: 2
The split X2 doesnt look very impressive to me. I've seen demo models of it. The Yoga 13 or even better the 2 pro on the other hand are very nice and the first hybrids Ive seen that have joined the Surface as a canidate.

vs the Surface Pro 2, at the current price I would lean towards the Yoga 2 Pro. The Surface 2 with type cover is .55 inch thick and weighs in at 2.55lbs vs the the Yoga @ .61 and 3.1.

Yoga 2 Pro has Higher res and larger screen, 256GB SSD vs 128GB in the Surface Pro 2, doesnt sacrifice the notebook form factor, and still gives you a respectable tablet mode. No pen though, and i do like the pen.

Surface Pro 2 has the wacom pen, can shed the cover which makes for a better tablet. As a notebook, it's still decent and I dont ever put them in my lap.

So for me the decision I would have to make is how much do i like that damn pen. Is there a pen option for the Yoga 2 Pro? If so, no questions yoga 2 Pro it is.

Now the original Surface @ 500$ vs the Yoga 13? No questions, I'd get the Surface(I actually already ordered one). Even with the type cover it comes in 180$ cheaper, I get the pen, better resolution. If they finally come out with the power cover(type cover with battery) I may pick that up. Even vs the Yoga 2 Pro, @ 500$, its just a really good value.

If you're just looking for a tablet, pfft. 500$ Surface is hard to beat.

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By Manch on 2/1/2014 10:38:30 PM , Rating: 2
OH, dont forget about the Thinkpad versions of the Yogas. 1080p 12.5", but the keyboard retracts flat when you fold it and it has all that extra corporate security goodness if you like that. They weigh in at 4lbs(Anyone complaining about 4lbs, go lift weights).

I think the ideapad versions are the better deal overall, just wish they had the nubbin.

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By Reclaimer77 on 2/1/14, Rating: 0
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By Manch on 2/2/2014 5:59:59 AM , Rating: 2
They dont? because they sure do like selling them in that price range.

But this tablet has an i5 in it. It will beat the doors off an IPAD or a Samsung.

Obsolete? Come-on Son! This thing has more staying power than any ARM tablet. This is Ultrabook guts in a tablet form. A UI update wont render this thing unusable(ahem Apple!). You throw out your windows laptops every year because they're obsolete?

AT 1K, as much as I like the form factor, it's too much for me. At 500$, it's very much an outlier and Im all over it.

People have been clamoring for baytrail tablets that run full windows instead of crappy RT in the 20-500$ range. MS gave us Surface 2 with a tegra 4. Everyone else responded. I myself picked up a dell venue 8 pro for 229$. There are several baytrail tablets that costs 500$. If I have to choose between baytrail, and an I5, not really a choice. i5!

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By Reclaimer77 on 2/2/2014 6:56:55 AM , Rating: 1
Where in my post did you interpret I was speaking about the Surface 2 Pro. That is NOT a "$500 tablet", it's a $900 PC!

Your Cnet list is bereft of hard sales figures. If it weren't, you would see aside from Apple, hardly anyone is selling $500 tablets successfully.

The Surface Pro is NOT a tablet, it's a PC...

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By Manch on 2/2/2014 7:34:07 AM , Rating: 3
I didn't. The original Surface Pro is 500$. My reference to Surface 2 was the tegra 4 RT version that nobody wants. People want either the PRO version or a baytrail tablet in regards to Windows Tablets. @ $500 the Original Surface PRO is a great price.

In my previous post I was clearly talking about the Original PRO, which is what the article is about FYI.

So now the Surface isnt a tablet, it's a PC? Splitting hairs are we? Obviously its a convergence device meant for dual use. AS A TABLET with that feature set the ORIGINAL SURFACE PRO for 500$ is a great price. As a hybrid ultrabook/tablet it's a great price.

Well a $500 Notebook PC sans keyboard that closely resembles a tablet in form factor with those specs vs other real 10" tablets is a great buy.

Does that work for you?

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By Reclaimer77 on 2/2/2014 11:11:40 AM , Rating: 1
@ $500 the Original Surface PRO is a great price.

If it launched at $500, like it probably should, I would agree.

But today? Meah, it's already obsolete. The battery life alone makes it a suspect buy. And in a few months, Microsoft will probably be forced to drop the Surface 2 Pro down to ~$600'ish anyway.

It's like the HP Touchpad fire sale. Everyone ran out and bought a dead-end POS just because it was cheap.

Yes it has an i5 and is a full fledged PC, but if the total package isn't impressive, who cares?

Regardless of hardware, Microsoft App Store is still an unmitigated disaster. There's virtually no development and is still years behind everyone else. That's the biggest thing holding the whole Surface thing back.

So now the Surface isnt a tablet, it's a PC? Splitting hairs are we?

No, I think it's important we strictly classify devices. The Surface RT is a tablet. The Surface Pro is a PC. Why? Because it is x86 and runs x86 code/programs.

Well a $500 Notebook PC sans keyboard that closely resembles a tablet in form factor with those specs vs other real 10" tablets is a great buy.

Does that work for you?

hehe okay, works for me :)

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By Manch on 2/2/2014 12:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
Physical dimensions between the Pro & Pro 2 are identical. The ivy bridge i5 isnt that much slower than the Haswell in the Pro 2. I agree the battery life is pretty short @ 4-6 hrs for a tablet but since its not :D then its not so bad. at least for me it's not a big deal and i dont think it's a deal killer. Power cover will come out soon and alleviate that concern. The sites that have previewed it says you get roughly 60% more life with that cover so about 6.5-9.5hrs Calling it obsolete though? Are the 2013 Mac Book Air 11's Obsolete? Come on Son!

I agree they were def too expensive when they launched. MS should have treated it like they did the console and taken a hit just to get them into the wild. that would have been the smarter move. And at least include the damn touch cover!

As far as HP goes, the combination of hardware and dead end OS is what killed it. MS may not have the app store ecosystem that Android and Apple do but they have the entire x86 library which s way way better. Plus I have bluestacks which works great. Gives me access to those google apps. Have you used it? If not, try it out.

With an x86 tablet like PC what apps do you not have?

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By ritualm on 2/2/2014 9:50:07 PM , Rating: 2
HP sank WebOS. The hardware and OS itself would have thrived if it weren't for HP's incompetence in handling its business divisions.

Reclaimer77 is a Google/Android fanboy. This guy has a deep seated hatred over everything MS does. You can't win an argument with him because he frequently changes the subject to "beat" you.

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By Reclaimer77 on 2/2/2014 11:08:43 PM , Rating: 1
Yes I have such a "deep seeded" hatred for MS I choose to use multiple MS products in my daily life...

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By w8gaming on 2/6/2014 4:37:35 AM , Rating: 2
I will not be so sure Surface Pro 2 will be have such a sale. Microsoft has to be very inept to manage their hardware production if they could still end up with a large surplus of excess inventory of Surface Pro 2 after they have already been burnt by 1st generation Surface sales. If such a sale actually happens, it will be great news for the buyers for sure. But I really doubt a company is that stupid.

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By Manch on 2/2/2014 7:38:27 AM , Rating: 2
In 2013 Windows tablets tripled in volume. Still tiny but I wanted to give you the latest info for your Win Tablet bashing. :D

They're up to a measly 2.2% from .7%

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By althaz on 2/1/2014 6:54:19 AM , Rating: 1
You're either flat-out lying or just plain incompetent, but the pen works SUPERBLY well and is extremely accurate. I should know, I depend on it to make a living.

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