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Samsung is also looking at eye scanning technology

Samsung is eyeing an April release date for its upcoming Galaxy S 5, and speaking of eye, it's currently testing iris recognition technology that could be featured in the new handset. 
 
According to a new report from Bloomberg, Samsung confirmed a March or April release date for its successor to the popular Galaxy S4, and the new device is expected to have a new design and features to compete with Apple's iPhone 5c and 5c smartphones. 
 
Samsung plans to change up the design of the Galaxy S5, mainly because consumers complained that the S4 resembled its predecessor -- the Galaxy S3 -- too closely. Samsung fans want a change, and the company plans to give them that with the new S5. No details were given as to what kind of changes, but there were hints of a possible screen size adjustment. 
 
Aside from cosmetic changes, Samsung is looking to bulk up the new S5 with all-new features. One that may be included in the new handset is eye-scanning technology, which would be on par with Apple's new fingerprint scanner in the iPhone 5C and 5S. However, Samsung Executive Vice President of Mobile Lee Young Hee said that this new tech might not be ready in time for the S5. 
 
“Many people are fanatical about iris recognition technology,” said Lee. “We are studying the possibility but can’t really say whether we will have it or not on the S5.”
 
In addition, Samsung will be coupling its new S5 with an updated wearable that is meant to work alongside the handset. 


[SOURCE: dialaphone.co.uk]

“We’ve been announcing our first flagship model in the first half of each year, around March and April, and we are still targeting for release around that time,” said Lee. “When we release our S5 device, you can also expect a Gear successor with more advanced functions, and the bulky design will also be improved.”
 
A recent Reuters report said that Samsung would likely see a slow 2014 for smartphone sales due to Apple moving into the Chinese smartphone market. The iPhone maker just scored a deal with China's largest mobile carrier -- China Mobile Ltd -- late last month, which opens the iPhone up to 760 million China Mobile customers starting January 17, 2014.
 
Aside from that, Apple is expected to start selling phones with larger screens this year, which is one feature typically dominated by Samsung's Android-powered phones. With Apple entering the market and offering similar features, it poses a real problem for Samsung's mobile business.
 
Thomson Reuters' Starmine SmartEstimate added that Samsung's fourth quarter business was likely hit by Apple's strong iPhone sales, and that this is expected to continue through the end of the first quarter of this year.
 
Samsung just posted its Q4 2013 earnings, which saw the company's first profit decline in nine quarters. Operating profit was 8.3 trillion won ($7.8 billion USD) in the three months ended December 2013, which was a decrease from 9 trillion won a year earlier. 

Source: Bloomberg



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Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/9/2014 2:17:09 PM , Rating: 3
The S4 feels terrible in the hand, IMO. Doesn't have the same feel of quality as the LG I was holding yesterday. Not sure what model, since I really don't follow the Android market, but the soft-touch material they used felt great. The Sammy phones just don't have the same feel in hand as other handset makers. The Nokia devices and the BB Z10 also have a pleasant feel. Not a fan of the hard edges on the iPhones though.

I know Samsung has the advantage of a removable battery when most of the industry has abandoned it, so that is in their favour. But the phones just do not feel solid like the competition. The fake leather grain plastic on the new notes is even worse. It just looked and felt cheesy. The LG model I held was the best feeling of the Androids I saw.

Don't accuse me of being a Samsung hater. My PC has Samsung RAM and a Samsung HD. My monitor is Samsung, and my washer and drier are Samsung. They make great stuff. I just hate the feel of the phones.




RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Argon18 on 1/9/2014 3:31:47 PM , Rating: 2
As a current S4 owner, I agree with this sentiment. It feels plasticy and cheap in your hands. At the opposite end of the spectrum, the iPhone feels luxurious and is a pleasure to hold, but then you're locked into the proprietary iOS ecosystem (no thanks). The Blackberry Bold has a similar heavy solid luxurious feel, but there you're stuck in the dying BB ecosystem.

I would have gladly paid a $100 premium (so $750 total instead of $650) at the S4's launch to have one made from aluminum and stainless steel, instead of chintzy plastic.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By retrospooty on 1/9/2014 4:24:07 PM , Rating: 2
"As a current S4 owner, I agree with this sentiment. It feels plasticy and cheap in your hands."

Yup, I had an S3 last year, and I was just setting up a new hire's brand new S4 yesterday. They just feel like Samsung cuts corners to save a few bucks.

I am sure the next round wont be like that though. Even Samsung execs are all over the place saying they are improving the build quality on the next round significantly.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 4:37:54 PM , Rating: 1
The last thing we need is some metal-clad Galaxy S5. Appletards are annoying enough when it comes to Samsung as is :P


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By retrospooty on 1/9/2014 4:44:15 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't need to be metal to be good. As long as its better, I am happy.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By GulWestfale on 1/9/2014 6:49:45 PM , Rating: 2
i think the S2 devices feel better than the S3/S4 ones. i don't really want a metal galaxy; i like the easily replaced backplate and removable battery of my note.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 6:55:47 PM , Rating: 2
The S2 felt great, I agree, I really miss that textured backing.

It was, however, a smaller phone than later models. I think smaller phones tend to just "feel" better in our hands, and we mistake that for build quality.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/9/2014 7:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
No one is suggesting a metal Galaxy. That is just another strawman reclaimer is battling.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 7:18:28 PM , Rating: 2
1)People HAVE suggested metal Galaxy devices
2)Nowhere did I suggest someone else was suggesting a metal Galaxy. I was putting forth my own viewpoint.

However you would have to be a complete idiot to NOT notice that there's a segment of people who view Aluminum as the Holy Grail of materials. Even though metal-clad devices are in the extreme minority.

Troy do I need to draw pictures and use cave-man talk, or can you follow the conversation on your own?


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 3:54:41 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, there are people who prefer metal, but none of them mentioned in this thread until you brought it up.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Argon18 on 1/10/2014 12:45:56 PM , Rating: 1
Huh? Pretty sure I did. Post #2. I prefer metal over plastic.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By retrospooty on 1/10/2014 12:51:29 PM , Rating: 2
I think the point that most people here are making is that Metal V plastic is a preference. There are good plastic build and bad ones. The S4 is certainly a bad one. My old Droid 3 was plastic, and had SD and removable battery and was WAY better than the S4 as far as build quality (so were the DRoid X's).


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 4:16:49 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The S4 is certainly a bad one.


You know what, you got me so fired up over this I went to T-Mobile today because it was right next to where I ate lunch. And don't get a big head, I was really there to ask questions about their contract buyout offer.

I handled two different S4's and tested them for build quality. First I firmly gripped them at the top and bottom with both hands and attempted to flex the chassis. There was barely any flex, and there was no audible creaking sounds when doing so.

Then I palmed the phone and wrapped my fingers across the screen and squeezed fairly hard. The phone barely gave at all, and again, no cracking or any other sounds. No obvious chassis flex or give. The back cover didn't pop off or deform at all.

I did everything I could without outright trying to break the phone to discover this "build quality" issue and "cheap plastic feel" you keep on about to actually show up.

You accuse me of being "loyal" to Samsung, whatever. I honestly feel I'm being one of the most objective people on this topic. And the last Samsung device I've bought was the Galaxy S2 like over two years ago.

Maybe you need to be more articulate in your judgements. Because for me (and 40+ million others), there's no outstanding quality issue with the Galaxy S4 that I could objectively detect.

And if your problem is the plastic back cover plate, just my god man, spend the five goddamn bucks and buy a different one.


By retrospooty on 1/10/2014 4:27:59 PM , Rating: 2
I dont know what to tell ya man... Like I said "different people have different things they look for"

I see the difference, I held an S4 in my hand just this Tuesday I had it for a few hours. It is a matter of opinion, and I see it, many many others see it and Samsung even seems to see it or at least acknowledge it can be improved... I didn't like it and you know I am not an anti-Samsung troll, I had an S3 and would gladly buy another Samsung if they improve what in my opinion is poor build quality and again, IMO the Note 3 has already that improved somewhat.


By Disorganise on 1/10/2014 12:00:08 AM , Rating: 2
I think it would be nice to have the choice tbh.
Personally, I prefer plastic to keep the weight down and I throw a case around it in any case. I also swap batteries mid-afternoon and whilst the plastic back is a bit flimsy, it doesn't worry me if I fumble and drop it and if anything wears out from my daily battery swap, it'll be the back rather than the phone. If the back was metal, it'd put more wear on the phone through the constant removal and be at risk of buckling if I fumble it.
I'd quite like to see the S5 with identical hardware in two different shells - one S3/4 like with the removable back (exact same form factor would be ideal since my case would still fit as would car dock) and 'premium' version that apes the aluminium bodies of apple and HTC - probably with non-removable battery as a result.


By danbob999 on 1/16/2014 11:10:35 PM , Rating: 2
You would have paid $100 to get a phone that would perform any better, would be heavier, and wouldn't last any longer?

Some people have money to burn. It's a phone, not a social status. If you think otherwise, get a life.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 4:14:36 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The fake leather grain plastic on the new notes is even worse. It just looked and felt cheesy.


Now you're being absurd and are showing your true colors. The faux leather provides a great texture to prevent such a large phone from easily slipping out of your hand. As far as looks, wtf people, do you sit there and stare at the back of your phone all day?

http://images.anandtech.com/doci/7376/Note3-0743.j...

Explain how this looks "cheesy" exactly? Oh yeah, stitched leather, that's REALLY cheesy.

The Note 3 feels amazing in the hand naked. Judging by your post history, I know you have shrimpy chick-hands, but the build quality of the Note 3 is excellent and you are just here spreading FUD.

Unless you like living dangerously, you're going to put a case around such an expensive phone anyway. Rendering all your "points" moot. Also making your post irrelevant, is if you don't like the stock back cover you can simply replace it. That's the beauty of the design! There's gillions to choose from ranging from brushed aluminum to carbon fiber to plastic.


By troysavary on 1/9/2014 5:02:34 PM , Rating: 2
But it is not stitched leather. It is plastic molded in a poor impression of stitched leather. How is thinking that looks terrible "showing my true colours"? I praised the LG I held, and that was an Android device too. You are showing your true colours. You get bent out of shape when anyone criticizes any Android device. Look, even Samsung handset owners are in this thread agreeing that they are not as nice feeling as the competition. You take everything Android related way too personally. I insulted your phone, not your mom.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/9/2014 5:10:55 PM , Rating: 1
Oh, and what post in my history shows I have "shrimpy chick hands"? You are getting desperate in your blind fan-boism. I'm generally not one to get in internet tough guy pissing contests, but you, boy, need to be put in your place. I, until a knee injury forced me to change careers, was in forestry for 16 years. I've climbed mountain-sides with dozens of pounds of gear on my back. I've worked 14 hour days when needed to get a job done. I've spent the day working in -40 C weather. I've rappelled out of helicopters into burning forests. What the fuck have you done to act so smug?


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By artemicion on 1/9/2014 5:24:35 PM , Rating: 2
Just ignore him. I get the sense that half the people who post comments on DailyTech articles are just insider trolls paid to drum up traffic. Some of these guys post the same Apple, Android, Microsoft, Sony, etc. fanboi nonsense on EVERY article on DailyTech. Seriously, who spends their entire day commenting on DailyTech articles with infammatory troll bait??


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/9/2014 5:41:51 PM , Rating: 2
It is hard to ignore him when he is in every thread full of the same crap. He tends to make snide remarks about anyone who disagrees with him. Usually, I don't take the bait. But I am baffled at how thinking fake plastic stitches looks cheesy makes my hands girly. That was a leap of illogic even by his standards.

Fake woodgrain stickers on 70s era station wagons looked cheesy, but real wood paneling looked great. The molded plastic stitching is the smartphone equivalent to fake woodgrain. Of course, most readers here probably weren't around in the 70s, so it might not be the best example, but, trust me, it looked terrible.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 6:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
Your whole post was a childish nitpick, that's the problem. You cannot even tell the stitches are fake from any reasonable distance. Yeah you're right, I guess Samsung should have teamed up with Samsonite or some Italian leather company and added another $200 to the phone for a better back with REAL leather.

You can spend $5-10 and get any damn cover you want! Why do you keep ignoring this point?

What's more important is the feel, which is fantastic, I don't care what you say. If it doesn't feel good to you, you must have little girl hands. The phone doesn't fit in your palm. I stand by that.

You're a known Android basher, and it just drips out of every word of your OP. And yeah, you gave some token props to some "LG" handset you didn't even bother to name. Big deal.

quote:
but real wood paneling looked great.


LMAO! No, just god no...


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/9/2014 6:58:10 PM , Rating: 1
It isn't a nitpick. It looks fake from any distance you look at it from. I am not suggesting they use real leather. But if they had, how would it add $200 to the price. I am suggesting they not even bother with trying to fake it.

And yes, real wood looks great. That is why Mercedes, Cadillac, Rolls, and many other luxury marks still use it in their dashes. Fake wood on the other hand looks awful. But the wood panelling I was specifically referring to was back in the day when cars were still styled like coaches, except with motors. Many of them had wood body panels, and look good. Before my time, but they can be found at antique shows. That was the look the station wagons of my youth were emulating, and it looked like crap.

Weather leather or wood, if you are not going to do it right, don't bother doing it at all. The new Notes look terrible. I know that the back panels can be switched out. That is one of the pluses of removable panels. But more importantly it allows for replaceable batteries, which is awesome, and a feature I wish more phones still had. That doesn't change the fact the standard back panel is hideous.

There was nothing wrong with the look of the Galaxy S4 back panel, it was the feel. It didn't evoke the same feel of solidness as the competitors. Even with a removable panel, they could have made the plastic a bit thicker and it would have felt stiffer and more solid. Adding fake stitch molding would have done nothing to address the issue.

It isn't about the size of the phone, you dumbass. It fits my hand just fine. It just does not feel solid. How the hell is that Android bashing? It would feel exactly the same if I were to somehow install BBOS, WinPhone, or even Symbian. If I had these tiny girl hands you claim I have, why don't I love the iPhone? It is the narrowest of the phones I checked out. So retro is an Android basher too? He agrees that the Samsung phones don't feel as good as others. It isn't about the OS, but you are too blind to see that. All you see is an attack on your precious Google so you need to man the gates and jump to the defence.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/14, Rating: 0
RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 7:49:43 PM , Rating: 1
In fact here, let me help you NOT be an idiot.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-...

"The edge of the Note 3 is ringed with the familiar chrome, although this time there’s a ridge which makes it more grippy. With bigger phones making the edges less slippery is important, the Note 3 hits the mark here nicely."

"Honestly the Note 3 feels better than its predecessor, and the biggest reasons for that are the textured rubberized back, grippier textured edge, thinner body, and thinner width. Oh and there’s no creakiness or build quality issues to speak of, in spite of being so large the Note 3 is very rigid and solid."

"The Note 3 is an iterative product, that’s absolutely true, but the improvements in the Note 3 are pretty dramatic. It really does feel better, thinner, lighter all while having a bigger, more usable display."


But these are the kinds of observations non-fuc*tards make when they speak of technology.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By retrospooty on 1/9/2014 9:52:24 PM , Rating: 2
The note 3 has clearly improved with the build quality,But prior to that The note 2 and s3 And those of that generation were really poorly done as far as build quality. You have to admit that, even Samsung has realized it and is correcting it. I must have seen a dozen articles in the past week about Samsung executives saying they are upping the build quality from here onward. That kinda says it all - yes there was a problem and it is going to be better from now on, so good.


By just4U on 1/10/2014 2:38:41 AM , Rating: 2
Samsung is probably being a little cautious.. There's only so much you can do with a rectangular smart phone before Apple sends out it's lawyers.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 4:03:06 AM , Rating: 2
Exactly, everyone one this thread except reclaimer77 sees that build quality was a perceived problem. But when I point it out, obviously it is because I hate Samsung. There can be no real problem, just my bias.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 9:45:07 AM , Rating: 1
I've actually changed my mind. You aren't a Samsung hater, my bad. You're just an idiot who has no clue about anything smartphone related, especially build materials and ergonomics.


By troysavary on 1/10/2014 6:28:00 PM , Rating: 2
You are one of those people whose self-esteem is so low that they find their sense of self-worth in owning the popular product. Since your self-esteem is linked to what you own, you have to go to great lengths to defend said product against any perceived slights since you take an insult to a favoured product as an insult to yourself. Sad.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 8:06:45 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
But prior to that The note 2 and s3 And those of that generation were really poorly done as far as build quality.


Did you mean the S4? I thought you said you owned an S3 and the build quality was better.

And this is the FIRST time I've ever heard that the Note 2 had "really poor" build quality. I admit it, I haven't spent much time personally with the Note 2. But I seriously doubt it had poor build quality, I'll pull up the Anandtech review and see what they had to say, just to be sure. PhoneArena scores the build quality of the Note 2 an 8.6/10.

quote:
I must have seen a dozen articles in the past week about Samsung executives saying they are upping the build quality from here onward.


That's called PR. Because of people like you spreading this build quality myth, Samsung now has to react to the claims. Or at least appear to be working on it.

Seems like most of this "build quality" nonsense started when HTC released the aluminum uni-body One. All of a sudden the Apple effect hit the Android scene, where Aluminum = more betterer and Samsung was viewed as cheap for using plastic. It's a stigma that's stuck ever since.

Well the "cheap poor build quality" Galaxy S4 sold like 50 million units. Has the HTC One, with it's "superior quality", broken even 10 million yet?


By retrospooty on 1/10/2014 12:25:32 PM , Rating: 2
"Did you mean the S4? I thought you said you owned an S3 and the build quality was better."

The S3, S4 and Note 2 are all nearly identical and cheaply made. My co-worker has a Note 3 and it is better is what I said.

I dont care to read one review or another where some guy thought it was good, different people have different things they look for. I know, I owned and S3 last year and My wife currently has a Note 2. I also have handled many S4's and many other models as well setting them up for our users. This "myth" is no myth. It's all over the place because its true. Samsung execs are even out there now stating they are improving BQ from here on out because its true.

"Seems like most of this "build quality" nonsense started when HTC released the aluminum uni-body One."

It's not about aluminum. The Note 3 is better and there are plenty other Moto Droids that have removable batteries that were good as well which show it can be done. There are a ton of other Androids on the market right now that have much better build quality period.

Dood, you tend pick a side and stick with it, loyal as hell, and that is a good thing in general, but we arent talking about your best bud, or a family member, its a company and you aren't looking at it objectively. Call a terd a terd... It WAS an issue and if all these people complaining about it online got them to address it then good lets all keep complaining. It helped with Netflix and MS, and now Samsung. It's even helping with Apple as they are very likely releasing larger phones this year.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Roffles on 1/10/2014 6:59:32 PM , Rating: 2
I totally agree here. I've had 3 android phones so far. The OG Droid, Droid Bionic and the Galaxy S3. Both the Motorola phones were designed with soft touch materials and felt like tanks. But both phones where having quality problems after the first year and the Bionic was really just a giant turd from the very start.

But my galaxy S3 is feather light compared to my old Droid phones and the rounded back makes it nice to hold in the hand and keep in the pocket. 20 months without a case and 20 months of almost daily battery swaps and the only damage to it is scuff marks on the back battery cover. It's easily the most durable phone I've ever owned or even know about.

Whenever I hear people rant against the polycarbonates on the Galaxy S phones, I'm convinced they are mentally retarded shills. It would be a shame if they went with an all metal unibody and there was no longer a way to quickly and easily peel off that back cover and swap in a new battery. I hate the false perception going against the Galaxy build materials and all the mouth breathers who mindlessly feed into it.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 9:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Whenever I hear people rant against the polycarbonates on the Galaxy S phones, I'm convinced they are mentally retarded shills. It would be a shame if they went with an all metal unibody and there was no longer a way to quickly and easily peel off that back cover and swap in a new battery. I hate the false perception going against the Galaxy build materials and all the mouth breathers who mindlessly feed into it.


Exactly. Don't these people watch drop tests? The Galaxy line always impresses. Because they don't do stupid things like making metal phones with glass backs!

This is definitely a case of a very small minority on the Internet manufacturing a problem that doesn't exist. Combine them with the pro-Apple side, who of course hates Samsung and would say anything negative they can get away with, and that's the only reason we're talking about this today.

Then you have people like Troy who are claiming unbiased professional review sites, places people go to get informed about products, don't count? Someone who has NEVER personally owned a Samsung smartphone.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 4:00:49 AM , Rating: 2


quote:
That would have added more weight to an already gigantic hefty phablet. In design, compromises must be made unfortunately.


Boohoo, it would be a few grams heavier. Now who has the wimpy lil hands?


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 8:15:34 AM , Rating: 2
Way to ignore every point and struggle to find something to personally attack me with.

I don't care if the Note 3 is a bit heavier or not. Samsung does. They are under a microscope as a market leader. The pressure was on them to deliver a massive phablet while at the same time being very thin and relatively light.

I think you yourself has demonstrated the power of the armchair ignorant nitpicker. If the Note 3 weighed "a few grams" more, they would probably get blasted on the Internet for it, review sites, etc etc.

I think I've demonstrated how your vaunted "real leather" would have been a mistake for this application, for all the reasons I've listed above and more. If you were a real man, you would acknowledge that.


By troysavary on 1/10/2014 6:50:42 PM , Rating: 2
The had size issue was brought up by you, not me. And the weight issue was also brought up by you. See a pattern. I said fake plastic stitches look cheesy and you replied that it is because I have girl hands. You are linking things that are not even related.

And I never once said Samsung should have used leather. I said they should not try to have a perceived luxury by trying to make plastic look like leather with silly molded stitches, because it completely fails at what they were trying to accomplish. It does not for a second look anything like the material they were emulating.

Organic materials, like wood, fur and leather have a perceived luxury, while plastic does not. That is why luxury brands, whether cars, clothing ,whatever, like to use leather, wood, and fur. Cheap brands trying to show a veneer of luxury use fake leather, fur, or wood. The fakeness generally looks worse than if they had not tried at all. The Note 3 already had a superior backplate than the Galaxy S4 from what I could tell in my brief comparison. Even though it is bigger than the S4, the Note 3 felt more solid. But they totally ruined the perceived quality improvement with the cheesy fake stitching.

Let's for a moment pretend I did say Samsung should use real leather on the Note 3 and address your issues with leather. Obviously, you have little or no experience with leather.

1. Price-you claim that using leather would add $200 to the price. In what world does a 3"x5',or so, piece of leather cost anywhere near that much? You can get hand-made, genuine leather wallets for under $20,and they use far more leather than the back of a phone would.

2. Durability-leather would not wear out in the amount of time that most people own a phone. Leather is rather durable. That is why motorcycle protective gear is made from it. If leather can survive skidding across asphalt at high speeds, it can surely survive normal cellphone usage. Soccer calls, footballs, baseball mitts, tons of sports gear that sees rough usage is made from leather. One of the things that appeal to people about leather jackets is that they last decades if cared for.

3. Stink-this one tells me for sure you have no experience with leather. It breaths well and does not have much issue with smelling sweaty. People wear leather pants without their thighs making them smell like sweat. Surely, for most people, their pants will have far more contact with their thighs than their phone will. What are you planning on doing with your phone? Rub it against your naked groin? Wait, I have no trouble believing you do just that.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By av911 on 1/9/2014 6:08:22 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. Never really understood the "it feels cheap" sentiments. 99% of time you'll get a case to cover it anyway.

I'll take the following criteria over having the "premium" feel.

- Removable battery
- Storage expansion
- Wireless capability
- USB audio out (S4 --> Fiio E17 FTMFW!!!)

Samsung has been real consistent with these features across their devices.


By Spuke on 1/9/2014 6:18:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Fiio E17
Been looking for something like this. Thanks for that info!!


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/9/2014 6:30:03 PM , Rating: 2
I gave props to Samsung having the removable battery. No where did I say the hardware specs or design was bad. I wouldn't own one because I don't like Android, but he hardware is generally top notch. They just far short in the "fit and finish" dept.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 6:42:30 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I wouldn't own one because I don't like Android


Well THAT'S certainly you being objective....


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/9/2014 7:05:08 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, I am being objective. I can comment on the build quality independently of the OS. Unlike you, I can separate the two. Samsung makes cutting edge hardware. They have features that I wish I could get on a flagship Nokia. I don't want Android. I am admitting that. But none of my comments about Samsung hardware, both the positive or the negative, have one thing to do with the OS. Great specs, second-rate, but apparently improving next gen, cases. Everyone except you can see my point.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/9/2014 7:52:57 PM , Rating: 2
Except your comments about the build quality are simply, undeniably, flat out wrong. You are ANYTHING but objective.

See my above post where I utterly destroy you by quoting what people who review phones for a living think about Samsung's build quality. It's excellent.


By themaster08 on 1/10/2014 2:12:58 AM , Rating: 2
You take any criticism towards Samsung and Android way too personally.

Get over it.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 3:58:32 AM , Rating: 2
You destroyed nothing. Yes, the Note feels more solid than the S4. That has nothing to do with the fake stitches molded into the plastic.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 7:50:12 AM , Rating: 2
Nice deflection, but it's not going to work. I have objectively proven, beyond a doubt, that every single problem you had with the Note 3 was either manufactured from bias, or flat out made up.

If you can find me just one professional hardware reviewer from an unbiased site or publication which confirms your FUD, I would shut up. But you haven't bothered to link ONE.

I wouldn't have so much of a problem if you said it was just your opinion. But you say things like "The Note 3 feels horrible, that's a fact." That's not a fact, it's just your biased hater opinion.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 6:52:13 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't take a "professional reviewer" to know that fake stitches add nothing to the quality. Nice attempt at appeal to authority though.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 7:07:11 PM , Rating: 1
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It doesn't take a "professional reviewer" to know that fake stitches add nothing to the quality.


Yet they somehow detract from it?

If professionals don't knock them for fake stitches, why should I give a fuck that YOU do?

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Nice attempt at appeal to authority though.


Yeah I should appeal to stupid asses spouting off bullshit like you?


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 9:21:03 PM , Rating: 2
Like I, and others, have pointed out, you take this WAY too personally. It is a phone. Buy what you like. I am not trying to stop you. Someone doesn't like what you like. That doesn't make them either a shill or an idiot. You have so much emotionally invested in your phone choice that you fly off the handle when not everyone agrees it is the best thing ever. I am gonna go out on a limb and say you are single because living with someone who has to always be right and belittles anyone who thinks differently would be hell. I doubt many women would tolerate that attitude for long.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/10/2014 10:00:41 PM , Rating: 2
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Like I, and others, have pointed out, you take this WAY too personally.


Yeah make it about me, another deflection. I just don't like people lying and spreading FUD.

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You have so much emotionally invested in your phone choice


I don't own a Note 2, Note 3, Galaxy S3 or S4. And never have. What "phone choice" am I exactly invested in there Sherlock?

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I am gonna go out on a limb and say you are single because living with someone who has to always be right and belittles anyone who thinks differently would be hell. I doubt many women would tolerate that attitude for long.


I'll just pass this on to my girlfriend of 10 years, thanks for the tip! You're pathetic if you think you've figured someone out over the Internet because of a tech argument.

The idea that you define someone's self-worth based on a codependent relationship says more about your state of mind than anything I've supposedly revealed about myself.

It's funny that you cannot see how you are the one being truly obnoxious. Seriously, you've gone on for two days now about "fake stitching". Something so inconsequential, the most detailed oriented review site in the world didn't even mention!

You back up your points with nothing, then when are proven wrong claim it's an "appeal to authority". As if you, who clearly cannot be objective and have no experience with the products, ARE the authority?


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Maroon on 1/10/2014 10:47:04 AM , Rating: 2
Really! The outside of my S3 only saw the light of day until I put an otterbox on it. About two days.

Give me function over form anyday. Plastic fantastic!


By retrospooty on 1/10/2014 10:52:27 AM , Rating: 2
Not entirely true. Any # of older Moto Droid's with removable batteries and SD (or even the new Note 3 for that matter) prove that you can have those features and a good quality build. The S3, note 2, and S4 and others from that period are not as nice. Not even close.


By Argon18 on 1/10/2014 12:48:11 PM , Rating: 1
"I'll take the following criteria over having the "premium" feel."

Why do you think these are mutually exclusive? I want those features AND premium feel. And I'm willing to pay a premium price for it. But right now today, it isn't an option at any price. :(


By phatboye on 1/10/2014 1:22:44 PM , Rating: 2
How it feels? I really don't understand some people. When I bought my Galaxy S3 the last concern on my mind was how it felt. Unless the phone comes with glass shards or pointed spikes I could care less how it feels. I care more about specs, removable battery, not being locked down to a walled garden of an OS, screen size/resolution. I could give 2 sh!ts about how it feels. But I guess to each is their own...


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By Roffles on 1/10/2014 6:28:41 PM , Rating: 2
What do you mean by it "feels terrible". Does it burn? Does it cut into your skin? Does it leave your hand feeling numb and tingly? Does it cause pain and distress? Maybe you should find a word besides terrible to describe such a subjective opinion because "terrible" doesn't have anything to do with a lightweight, damage resistant, polycarbonate shell designed for an incredibly easy battery replacement procedure.

Shock assistant metal frames on phones are a joke and that false logic running through your head that tells you "it just feels better" is exactly that... false logic.


RE: Wonder what the design will be like
By troysavary on 1/10/2014 7:03:12 PM , Rating: 2
Ok, terrible was too strong a word. It doesn't feel solid. While the phone isn't really flimsy, it gives that impression when you hold it. It just doesn't feel as solid as the Sony and LG Android phones I held. Before you point out the S4 has a removable backplate while the other phones I mentioned don't, I already know that. My pondering was what was Samsung planning to improve the perceived fit-and-finish while still maintaining the removable back? Samsung sees it as an issue and have stated they are going to improve. I doubt they are planning to remove the ability to replace battery, as that is one of the Galaxy line's stand-out features in a phone world where more and more phones are going with the solid shell. So I'm wondering if they will change the type of plastic they use, go with something more exotic like carbon fiber, or simply make it a bit thicker at the expense of weight. Any would be a valid response. Adding a bit to thickness and weight would not be a problem. I don't think there is a smartphone out there that is too heavy and thick.


By Roffles on 1/10/2014 11:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
Aluminum is a soft metal that nicks/scratches too easily. If Galaxy goes metal frame while maintaining the ability to replace the battery, I suppose I'm all for it, but I hope Samsung discovers a material that works better than aluminum. Otherwise, you'll have to use a protective case. Cases make a phone clunky, heavier and ruin the ability to quickly swap batteries.

I own the galaxy S3 and it's been holding up better than any other phone I've had for this period of time. With no case and almost daily battery swaps after 20 months, I've only got minor scuffing on the back cover (which I could replace for $5 if I cared). This phone is as rock solid as they come.

Had I chosen to carry an iPhone4 for the past 20 months without a case in the same manner, I'd certainly be dealing with permanent nicks, scratches and scuffs all around the corners and back.

All I'm really saying here is if the S5 comes in a polycarbonate shell with that super easy to peel off back cover, I won't cry. I actually prefer it because it's worked out favorably for me and deductive reasoning tells me metal frames on handheld wear-and-tear items is counterintuitive for longevity. My long-term experience is why I defend Samsungs choice of materials.


By Reclaimer77 on 1/11/2014 2:37:27 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ok, terrible was too strong a word. It doesn't feel solid. While the phone isn't really flimsy, it gives that impression when you hold it.


After two days, you still can't describe what you mean. Oh and NOW terrible was being two strong? How magnanimous of you.

How can a phone feel solid, not be flimsy, but give that "impression" when you hold it?

News flash genius, your brain is playing a trick on you. You assume a large phone should be heavier, and when you find it's not, convince yourself something must be wrong.

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Adding a bit to thickness and weight would not be a problem.


They should make a phone heavier...just because? Even though the current design is durable and, in your own words, NOT flimsy?

I can't believe I've wasted this much time talking to such a ignorant simpleton who still can't even articulate his main point!


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